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    Quote Originally Posted by AR182 View Post
    I was a waiter when I was in college, so I have some sympathy (lack of a better word) for these people....

    I don't believe that they give bad service intentionally....

    Sometimes they are buried so they cannot help it....

    So I tip at least 15% because of effort....
    Same here
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    Quote Originally Posted by yyz View Post
    I don't buy it. I can tell if a joint is packed, and the service might be thinned out between tables, or.....a person simply doesn't give a shit. This job is no different than any other, as far as work ethics go. You have people who do the job, and people who bitch about it, and don't give a damn. If I get stuck with one of them, fuck em!

    The wife and I frequent two spots in town. Each of them has one waitress I will NOT let serve us anymore. The first one, is a drunk who just wants to go grab the next drink and a smoke. Fucks up something on our order almost every single time. What am I tipping her for?

    The second, is simply a dumbass. Has no clue how to wait a table, and has been doing it for years. She also screws up the orders on a regular basis. I will see people around us sending stuff back, too, so it isn't just my perception.

    After many, many times in her section, I finally told the owner, "No more". I didn't want to get the gal in trouble, but I don't need the frustration of feeling stressed out while I am trying to enjoy a night out. And we tipped her 20% all of the time. I finally asked myself, "What the hell am I paying her extra for, when she ruins my night?"

    She was the (pardon the pun) tipping point for me deciding that a 15-20% tip is not mandatory. Now, you get what you earn.
    Servers wages are well below minimum wage in most states, so tips are expected. A server would have to offend a member of my party for me to consider going below 15%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cie View Post
    Servers wages are well below minimum wage in most states, so tips are expected. A server would have to offend a member of my party for me to consider going below 15%.
    Agree....If waiters annoy me with bad service they still get the 15% but won't sit at their tables again....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cie View Post
    Servers wages are well below minimum wage in most states, so tips are expected.
    That's the problem.

    It's not my job to make sure that you earn $80hr waiting a table in a steakhouse, "just because".

    And that is another point. Does that server at a low end diner only deserve $5 on two meals totaling $25, while the server at the Palms cracks out $50 for a $250 tab? Makes no sense whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yyz View Post
    That's the problem.

    It's not my job to make sure that you earn $80hr waiting a table in a steakhouse, "just because".

    And that is another point. Does that server at a low end diner only deserve $5 on two meals totaling $25, while the server at the Palms cracks out $50 for a $250 tab? Makes no sense whatsoever.
    It makes perfect sense. The Palms is a better job than a diner.
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    Always 20% unless they throw food at me or something. Usually a bit more if they were nice or went out of their way.

    A few bucks on take out at a restaurant.

    Nothing at Starbucks or fast food. What I really don't get is the pay it forward line they do at a lot of Starbucks drive-throughs where you pull up for your drink and they person says the car in front of you already paid for your drink and you're supposed to pay for the mini van full of women who all got extra large whipped cream concoctions.

    Tipping is a pretty hot point of discussion. I can't understand why people don't. These people for the most part make nothing in salary and a few extra bucks isn't gonna hurt me. To each their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedDodgerBlue View Post
    Always 20% unless they throw food at me or something. Usually a bit more if they were nice or went out of their way.

    A few bucks on take out at a restaurant.

    Nothing at Starbucks or fast food. What I really don't get is the pay it forward line they do at a lot of Starbucks drive-throughs where you pull up for your drink and they person says the car in front of you already paid for your drink and you're supposed to pay for the mini van full of women who all got extra large whipped cream concoctions.

    Tipping is a pretty hot point of discussion. I can't understand why people don't. These people for the most part make nothing in salary and a few extra bucks isn't gonna hurt me. To each their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cie View Post
    It makes perfect sense. The Palms is a better job than a diner.
    Actually, ending tipping makes perfect sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedDodgerBlue View Post

    Tipping is a pretty hot point of discussion. I can't understand why people don't. These people for the most part make nothing in salary and a few extra bucks isn't gonna hurt me. To each their own.

    What is wrong with the owner paying the servers a regular wage? They can up the prices on the menu, and it will be all good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yyz View Post
    What is wrong with the owner paying the servers a regular wage? They can up the prices on the menu, and it will be all good.
    That's how it's done in Europe. It is a better system in my opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by yyz View Post
    What is wrong with the owner paying the servers a regular wage? They can up the prices on the menu, and it will be all good.
    Absolutely nothing is wrong with it. I wouldnt mind it at all. But its not happening. And me stiffing a college kid or mom whos working extra money to support her kid isnt gonna make it happen. Im all for it if that ever becomes the norm but i dont think anything is accomplished or any point is proven by not tipping in the meantime.

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    I agree with YYZ. Just build the tips into the cost of the food/drinks and don't leave it to the customers. Many countries in Europe and Asia don't tip - what you see is what you pay; no more, no less. Now if the vendors in these foreign countries know you're American, they'll expect a tip since they know it's our custom and they can/will gouge (happened to me in Italy).

    Now the tax implications could be the reason. Many servers just pocket the cash at the end of the night, whereas if it's given to them via wages in a check, Uncle Sam takes his piece.

    Many restaurants now charge an automatic 3% to your bill to cover the healthcare costs of their worker and it's written at the bottom of the bill - and the customers don't even have a choice in that!


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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedDodgerBlue View Post
    Absolutely nothing is wrong with it. I wouldnt mind it at all. But its not happening. And me stiffing a college kid or mom whos working extra money to support her kid isnt gonna make it happen. Im all for it if that ever becomes the norm but i dont think anything is accomplished or any point is proven by not tipping in the meantime.
    No one is asking you to stiff anyone. But I don't think you need to tip, "Just because it is expected", either.

    Remember what the point of tipping is in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yyz View Post
    No one is asking you to stiff anyone. But I don't think you need to tip, "Just because it is expected", either.

    Remember what the point of tipping is in the first place.
    We disagree 100 percent on this but its cool. Everyone is different. I just know that most of these waiters and waitresses make $2.00 an hour. Before you say get a better job most cant and need the flexible hours. So yeah. I dont have too and Im sure they get stiffed a lot. Im by no means rich but if i can help someones day and life well i guess i will if I get even the most basic of service. Different strokes for different folks.

    As for mosr servers hiding the tips I certainly don't have a clue but don't 90 percent of people pay with debit cards. Outside of cardrooms and casinos i dont know anyone who uses cash on a day to day basis.

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    I doubt these servers get stiffed "a lot". Most people tip, because that's just how it's done. And although I wouldn't ever say they need to get a better job, I won't be so naive as to think they make $2.00 an hour. When those tips are added in, they do quite well in most cases.

    There is a good reason why many waitresses make careers out of it.

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    I tip 20% on average and I am still a cheap bastard.

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