Abortion Poll
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Wilson said:
Remember you said that Wilson. After the pres gets reelected and he appoints two new supreme court justices..Roe V Wade is going down.
I'm thinking if there was a way to carve out the pension funds of our so esteemed leaders and spend from that fund to support welfare and all the other programs that take care of other peoples children......that you would see little debate at all among the leadership of the USA.....
pensions would come first....
pensions would come first....
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Murder is murder. The fact is that the woman is not doing anything to her own body. She is doing it to her child's body. I don't understand how people don't understand this. People feel that they are taking a stand on our human rights, but I don't think killing a person falls under our rights.
It's funny how if the woman did it 5 minutes after the birth, it would be murder. Doing it before the birth is exercising her rights.
Now with this being said, this thread can be locked.:tongue
It's funny how if the woman did it 5 minutes after the birth, it would be murder. Doing it before the birth is exercising her rights.
Now with this being said, this thread can be locked.:tongue
dawgball said:
To murder, you have to kill something that's alive. If you remove the "baby", or more accurately, the group of cells from the mother's body during 3/4 of the pregnancy, it will not survive. It is not viable. You can't kill something that's not viable. You are preventing something that has the potential to be a baby. Big difference to me, but i respect your opinion.
I'm probably opening pandora's box w/ this one, but why not? We debate just about everything else on here :shrug:
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well saint if its not alive, what is it?
i'm for a womens right to choose, like birth control, or hey dude wear a rubber, but still think in this day and time abortion is wrong, and most are done because someone is to lazy to practice prevention. sure as hell wouldn't want any tax dollars paying for em.
Peace,
ll
i'm for a womens right to choose, like birth control, or hey dude wear a rubber, but still think in this day and time abortion is wrong, and most are done because someone is to lazy to practice prevention. sure as hell wouldn't want any tax dollars paying for em.
Peace,
ll
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in a debate such as this two sides have two legitimate arguments:
1. Baby is a life just like anyone else
2. Baby is not a life nad woman should choose to do what she wants
Think your position....than think "what if I am wrong"....
If wrong, which side would you not want to be on?
1. Baby is a life just like anyone else
2. Baby is not a life nad woman should choose to do what she wants
Think your position....than think "what if I am wrong"....
If wrong, which side would you not want to be on?
Funny how smug these right to lifers are until thier daughter or sister gets raped and impregnated by some gang of minorities, and is faced with the humiliation of bearing a stranger's child....then of course it becomes a choice and not a child....
When temporary means of birth control are 100% effective then we can do without drugs like ru486......it would be nice to see ru486 easily available so women could exercise thier rights in thier own privacy, without interference from people who don't have to give birth or are faced with the financial burden that is unique to each woman's situation......
...like I said above....find a way to fund welfare and other expenses the public taxpayer pays due to unwanted pregnancies with congressional pension funds.....or better yet make this fund out of voluntary donations or tax all the right to lifers to create this fund....
....you will find out in a hurry that the right to lifers money is not where his mouth is and there is $0.00 in the welfare fund. You will also find out that congress is not willing to give up that meaty pension fund to outlaw abortion.....
When temporary means of birth control are 100% effective then we can do without drugs like ru486......it would be nice to see ru486 easily available so women could exercise thier rights in thier own privacy, without interference from people who don't have to give birth or are faced with the financial burden that is unique to each woman's situation......
...like I said above....find a way to fund welfare and other expenses the public taxpayer pays due to unwanted pregnancies with congressional pension funds.....or better yet make this fund out of voluntary donations or tax all the right to lifers to create this fund....
....you will find out in a hurry that the right to lifers money is not where his mouth is and there is $0.00 in the welfare fund. You will also find out that congress is not willing to give up that meaty pension fund to outlaw abortion.....
Marco said:
Very true. If one is truly a staunch believer that this is murder, then there can't be any exceptions. Period. Not rape. Not incest. Not damage to the fetus that will likely cause retardation. Not even 'danger to the mother'.
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Marco--I would not be so quick to judge the "right to lifers" past experience with circumstances like you mention. And I still do not condone murder.
kosar--it is completely up to each individual whether they think it is wrong or right. I, personally, feel that it is wrong to murder an unborn child, but that is predisposed by my belief that the unborn child is a living human being regardless of the means that the child was created (Marco).
I also personally feel that it is a matter of realization on the subject. I realize that the baby is a human being at the time of conception. Once someone realizes that, then there is no other way to look at it. Hopefully, over time, more people come to this realization.
kosar--it is completely up to each individual whether they think it is wrong or right. I, personally, feel that it is wrong to murder an unborn child, but that is predisposed by my belief that the unborn child is a living human being regardless of the means that the child was created (Marco).
I also personally feel that it is a matter of realization on the subject. I realize that the baby is a human being at the time of conception. Once someone realizes that, then there is no other way to look at it. Hopefully, over time, more people come to this realization.
Good points on both sides, again this is just another issue that we can debate but I highly doubt anyone will change camps. Let me clarify my position. I am strongly against abortions as a means of birth control for irresponsible people. I am in favor of it in cases of rape, or in cases where responsible people maybe have that 1 in 100 chance when the birth control doesn't work (and their circumstances make them unfit to be parents). I wish there was some sort of system where they could keep track of who is getting abortions, that way they can determine if a habitual user is using it simply as a means of birth control. Obviously, something like that probably would not be legal for the states to keep track of. A lot of people will suggest even in the case of rape, have the mother simply come to term and give the baby up for adoption. I just think that is a miserable, emotional thing to put someone through. They shouldn't be put to the choice of having to give up their baby or not when it was forced upon them.
As far as your post about a 1 month old baby, of course it would die w/out sustenance but when it emerges from the mother at that point it is considered viable. Again, these are all just philosophical differences.
But I will counter with this. If abortion is murder to you, then what do you do in a case where a pregnant mother still drinks when they are carrying, or smokes etc and it ends in a miscarriage. Should they be tried for murder? What about in cases when their abuses lead to deformations or retardation?
As far as your post about a 1 month old baby, of course it would die w/out sustenance but when it emerges from the mother at that point it is considered viable. Again, these are all just philosophical differences.
But I will counter with this. If abortion is murder to you, then what do you do in a case where a pregnant mother still drinks when they are carrying, or smokes etc and it ends in a miscarriage. Should they be tried for murder? What about in cases when their abuses lead to deformations or retardation?
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