1). Spanking should be the last resort and only used when other punishments fail. Example: my brothers' kids have never been spanked. They are horrible. They run wild and destroy the house, they don't listen, they throw tantrums, they run out into the street, they talk back, they openly and defiantly say no when told to do something, etc. I remember spanking my kids less than 5 times each. Mine never did that shit, and they have always been the most loving kids. As they get older, different forms of punishment have to be used.
2) you can not reason with a baby/toddler. They aren't adults, and they aren't capable of higher discussions yet. They can learn no though. I see young parents who can't even change a diaper on a 6 month old bc the kid is rolling around and won't be still. The changing table is one of the first places to teach discipline and no. If you can't change a diaper then heaven help you when your child is a teenager.
3) "if you don't do xxxxx by the time I count to 3.... One, twooooooooooooooo........" Then the parent never gets to three and the kid never does whatever they were supposed to do. Worst most inneffective method of alternative punishment. Counting doesn't work.
4) the Wal-mart trailer park mom who swats and spanks her hellions constantly. Horribly inneffective, and it's bc she is too stupid and lazy to properly parent.
5) lastly, dogs were mentioned. Dogs are far easier to "train" than children. As much as I and everyone else here loves a good dog, they are not the same as people, and any argument comparing the two is ridiculous. Lazy dog owners can however be compared to lazy parents. Sit a kid in front of the boob tube all day or chain your dog to a tree outside all day; the kid is horrible and doesn't listen, and the dog is constantly jumping on you or guests at your house.
The Boys, it's rap not wrap you stupid idiot. The Boys should have been spanked in the face because his upbringing sure left a lot to be desired as he proves more and more all the time.
PS. I'm sure there are great kids somewhere in the USA who have never been spanked. I haven't met them yet. I have met a lot who were spanked and are still horrible. S