Census: A Little Too Personal

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Census: A Little Too Personal

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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Last week Congress voted to encourage participation in the 2010 census. I voted ?No? on this resolution for the simple, obvious reason that the census ? like so many government programs ? has grown far beyond what the framers of our Constitution intended. The invasive nature of the current census raises serious questions about how and why government will use the collected information. It also demonstrates how the federal bureaucracy consistently encourages citizens to think of themselves in terms of groups, rather than as individual Americans. The not so subtle implication is that each group, whether ethnic, religious, social, or geographic, should speak up and demand its ?fair share? of federal largesse. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Article I, section 2 of the Constitution calls for an enumeration of citizens every ten years, for the purpose of apportioning congressional seats among the various states. In other words, the census should be nothing more than a headcount. It was never intended to serve as a vehicle for gathering personal information on citizens.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]But our voracious federal government thrives on collecting information. In fact, to prepare for the 2010 census state employees recorded GPS coordinates for every front door in the United States so they could locate individuals with greater accuracy! Once duly located, individuals are asked detailed questions concerning their name, address, race, home ownership, and whether they periodically spend time in prison or a nursing home ? just to name a few examples.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]From a constitutional perspective, of course, the answer to each of these questions is: ?None of your business.? But the bigger question is ? why government is so intent on compiling this information in the first place? [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Census Bureau claims that collected information is not shared with any federal agency; but rather is kept under lock and key for 72 years. It also claims that no information provided to census takers can be used against you by the government. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]However, these promises can and have been abused in the past. Census data has been used to locate men who had not registered for the draft. Census data also was used to find Japanese-Americans for internment camps during World War II. Furthermore, the IRS has applied census information to detect alleged tax evaders. Some local governments even have used census data to check for compliance with zoning regulations.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]It is not hard to imagine that information compiled by the census could be used against people in the future, despite claims to the contrary and the best intentions of those currently in charge of the Census Bureau. The government can and does change its mind about these things, and people have a right to be skeptical about government promises. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Yet there are consequences for not submitting to the census and its intrusive questions. If the form is not mailed back in time, households will experience the ?pleasure? of a visit by a government worker asking the questions in person. If the government still does not get the information it wants, it can issue a fine of up to $5000.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]If the federal government really wants to increase compliance with the census, it should abide by the Constitution and limit its inquiry to one simple question: How many people live here?[/FONT]
 

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"Once duly located, individuals are asked detailed questions concerning their name, address, race, home ownership, and whether they periodically spend time in prison or a nursing home ? just to name a few examples."

Wow, and I thought all of these things were unable to be found out about me...

:rolleyes:

Seriously, these questions are worrisome for you? You don't think there is documentation out there already about whether you own your house or not? And periodically spend time in prison or a nursing home? Are these questions problematic for you? I don't understand the issue with them, but I don't have a problem with answering them.

I realize you personally take issue with virtually anything the government does, but the average citizen? These things are somehow secret and unknown to the authorities already, and any of these questions are going to shed light on anything important, how?
 

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Chad,

Before that question that you have quoted was posed, do you think it is constitutional to have your front door recorded with GPS coordinates ? How instrusive is this ? What I know about this because of my time in the ARMY and GPS locators and mappings makes me very uncomfortable.

Ron Paul has a little more insight about the final draft of the 2010 Census and I think his criticism of it is justified.

I will answer the 5 questions as required and nothing more. After that, :shrug: I have one house plant one dog.
 

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My egg friends will make sure illuminati does it right.

Got a question illum: Since your family is part of the illuminati, why do you choose to live in paranoia world?
 

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Illum, maybe I'm naive, but I figure that my front door location is already known to most authorities that want to find me. Pretty sure it is, actually. My concern is more with monitoring my e-mails, phone calls, Internet usage, etc., and what authorities are doing as far as my private rights are concerned.

I know that I benefit a great deal by what the census helps figure out for the country and my community. It helps determine what happens with federal money (from taxes) and to determine appropriate representation in the legislature by population.

These things I know. The fact that the census is asking me if somebody in my house spends part of their living time outside my house (like in prison or in a nursing home) does not personally bother me at all. I understand why they would want to know, from a money appropriation standpoint.
 

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My egg friends will make sure illuminati does it right.

Got a question illum: Since your family is part of the illuminati, why do you choose to live in paranoia world?

What do you mean by that last statement KC ?

My username is just a name, Illuminati, enlightenment, not part of any Skull and Bones Group, just a member of the PSGC
 

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Chad,

those numbers, the prison and nursing home will be counted twice for those facilities. Being that those types of facilities are listed as part time or full time residences it would give an inaccurate count of your voting district.
 

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"Once duly located, individuals are asked detailed questions concerning their name, address, race, home ownership, and whether they periodically spend time in prison or a nursing home ? just to name a few examples."

Wow, and I thought all of these things were unable to be found out about me...

:rolleyes:

Seriously, these questions are worrisome for you? You don't think there is documentation out there already about whether you own your house or not? And periodically spend time in prison or a nursing home? Are these questions problematic for you? I don't understand the issue with them, but I don't have a problem with answering them.

I realize you personally take issue with virtually anything the government does, but the average citizen? These things are somehow secret and unknown to the authorities already, and any of these questions are going to shed light on anything important, how?

why does the government care about home ownership, its none of their business:shrug:
 

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Seriously... the new census is far shorter and less obtrusive than past forms. If you don't believe me, Google some of the past ones, and see for yourself. Go back to some of the early ones, if you think the new ones are less constitutional and less protective of your private info.

Instead of this becoming such a political issue for some (I know this is more than that for Illum... it's a matter of life or death ;) ), consider that I guess you should be giving Obama credit for not asking so many personal questions "to use for his own benefit."

Illum, know that I was kidding with you... :cool:
 

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You caught me early with only a cup and 1/2 :mj07:

I will answer the standard 5 so they stay away, simple solution :shrug:
 

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why does the government care about home ownership, its none of their business:shrug:

Look familar?

.....edit out pic os HH's house. I easily found your house by using google and was going to post a pic of it but decided again it.

info is easily found out about anyone.
 

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Look familar?

.....edit out pic os HH's house. I easily found your house by using google and was going to post a pic of it but decided again it.

info is easily found out about anyone.

frightening really that this can be done.

when your streets are torn up and repaved, this is how the grids are mapped. When a new development is built you ever wonder why the challenged Pizza delivery dolt can't find your house? The neighborhood has not been entered into the GPS grid yet
 
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