Ryan Braun...
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Kinda sad but we new it was coming, I didn't think anything would come down until Aug. I wonder what's happening with our J. Peralta ?
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he and his lying cheating ilk ruined the game forever..
and the SOB's don't give a damn about the past of the greatest game ever played nor do they have any interest in trying to save this glorious pastime.
fvukem straight up the cheater flagpole and directly into jail if possible.
and the SOB's don't give a damn about the past of the greatest game ever played nor do they have any interest in trying to save this glorious pastime.
fvukem straight up the cheater flagpole and directly into jail if possible.
Jeez School ... What are you going to do when the NFL players start dropping like fly's ?
I'm going to Cooperstown next month anybody's plaque you want me to tear down ?
I'm going to Cooperstown next month anybody's plaque you want me to tear down ?
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NFL has the good sense to continue the fight to keep it clean..
Bud and his BOZO's turned a blind eye and counted the turnstile turns and bankroll growth..
fvuk him and those cheating bastards..
especially Sosa and that scum McGwire
I wonder how clean the NFL is....
Case in point: does anyone really think that Biogenesis ONLY provided drugs to baseball players? Where is the NFL and NBA right now? Why aren't they working with baseball to get the records, to ensure there is no football/basketball players on the list??
I have to wonder about Aaron Rodgers' potential involvement in this. If you remember, he was a brittle, oft injured player early in his career. Then he turned a corner and got healthy, with no further problems except a concussion.
Rodgers backed Braun so strongly - instead of just staying out of the fray regarding PED's... it would have been easy for him to say "I don't know anything about Braun's situation and I have no comment"... instead, he bet his salary against a twitter follower that Braun was innocent....
Makes one wonder if maybe Rodgers got some PEDS from Braun... "hey Aaron, try these, you'll heal up much faster".... Rodgers may have been defending Braun so strongly, as he may have known that Braun could take down Rodgers very easily in this.....
I know guys will defend Rodgers saying no way he could have been involved, he is a good guy, etc.... but it was not too long ago that everyone would have said the EXACT same thing about Braun......
I hope the NFL at least talks with MLB to see if any football guys are in this.... if all the U of Miami baseball guys were involved, I'd be shocked if you'd wouldn't find at least a few Miami football players shopping at the same store....
Case in point: does anyone really think that Biogenesis ONLY provided drugs to baseball players? Where is the NFL and NBA right now? Why aren't they working with baseball to get the records, to ensure there is no football/basketball players on the list??
I have to wonder about Aaron Rodgers' potential involvement in this. If you remember, he was a brittle, oft injured player early in his career. Then he turned a corner and got healthy, with no further problems except a concussion.
Rodgers backed Braun so strongly - instead of just staying out of the fray regarding PED's... it would have been easy for him to say "I don't know anything about Braun's situation and I have no comment"... instead, he bet his salary against a twitter follower that Braun was innocent....
Makes one wonder if maybe Rodgers got some PEDS from Braun... "hey Aaron, try these, you'll heal up much faster".... Rodgers may have been defending Braun so strongly, as he may have known that Braun could take down Rodgers very easily in this.....
I know guys will defend Rodgers saying no way he could have been involved, he is a good guy, etc.... but it was not too long ago that everyone would have said the EXACT same thing about Braun......
I hope the NFL at least talks with MLB to see if any football guys are in this.... if all the U of Miami baseball guys were involved, I'd be shocked if you'd wouldn't find at least a few Miami football players shopping at the same store....
Mags.. I also wonder how clean the NFL is, I don't know about Roger's but if their is ever a sport for abuse of PED's the NFL would be on the top of my list.
Agreed, although the NFL is likely behind professional wrestling... although some may argue that is not a "sport" but just entertainment....
But Goodell doesn't seem to be in any hurry to see if his guys were involved with Biogenesis.... He has more to worry about, with his guys getting arrested all of the time...
Nfl will start testing next year.
They union agreed to blood tests this year, simply to establish a testoterone level, to use for comparison next year. Although it isn't the best or most efficient way of testing, atleast they are doing something to deter these guys.
Although, it has been 2 years in the making, so you hope all these guys were smart enough to cycle off this shit and be in the clear. Ya never know tho, some of these guys are fawkin stupid.
Forgot about wrestling, PED vendor's have booth's set up in the locker rooms.
Yes the NFL has a lot on their plate from head injuries, suicides , arrest's for every conceivable felony.
I work with a guy who now trains some low level MMA, he told me a lot of abuse in that sport including himself in his early years.
Well he is like a Neanderthal, and yes I would single out a Packer. I can't think of any Viking that acts like a nut on the field, they used to when they had Keith Millard who was loaded on Steroids and I would be willing to bet Dwayne "Idiot" Rudd was on em too. Just a hunch
Ummmm... BP... do you watch Viking games??
Jared Allen is as crazy as it gets....
Not a big fan, think he is overrated. yeah I think he gets amped up. You know who was one crazy Viking....
John Randle
The Vikings answer to Charles Martin??
Of course, who can forget Chuck Cecil - who played hard, not dirty. Although in today's game, Mr. Cecil would ring up millions in fines....
IMHO, society has allowed the drug use/peds to get out of control and it's gone on for quite some time. How is this possible and why would I say this?
In 1970 the average offensive linemen weighed in the 250-260 range, if you were over 300 lbs, you were no kind of athlete in the NFL at all. He we are today, ave OL is over 320 lbs. RB's were in the 5-11 to 6' range and 200 to 220 lbs, now they are over 6' for the most part and over 220 lbs, Adrian Petersen etc., but you also see many smaller backs like CJ (Titans) and Bush, Drew with Jags, etc., Ray Rice. TE's used to be 6'2 to 6'3 and 220 and 230 lbs, now they are 6'6 and 270 plus. QBs are slightly taller and slightly heavier than the 70's, go to the defensive side of the ball, LBs used to be in the 6'0 to 6'3 range and 220-230 range, now they are 6'3 plus and 255 plus.
MLB on the other hand, run an average career chart on all players - for instance, Lenny Dysktra, you see a 5'10 160 lb soaking wet OF with little power but a quick bat, then he's 5'10 and 190 and hitting them out of the park with one swing - that would raise a red flag immediately, A Rod, McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, all had quick bats and were slight of build for the most part of their minor league careers, then wallah, 20 lb muscle gain and HRs increased x 2 easily.
When I scouted, I would see kids that threw in the 80-84 mph range then the next spring they were throwing 90+, I would check their eyes, their behavior habits and 100% of them that got bigger and added that much velocity, I knew in my heart they were on roids this was in the early 80's, then the application of the drug changed to ointments and pills instead of injecting it in their thighs or buttocks. But also younger baseball players that are 18-19 years old are typically going to grow a lil more and add weight/muscle naturally, but not within 2-3 months, usually takes 12 plus months to see those changes physically with a baseball player.
When I played against Lawrence Taylor in HS, he was 6'1 190 lbs soaking wet, played firstbase for Lafayette HS in Williamsburgh, then he goes to UNC and grows to 6'3 and 240, most of it natural growth, but his behavior changed dramatically from his HS days to when he played for the Heels.
There are some freaks of nature that grow crazily during their post HS days to first two to three years in college, David "Admiral" Robinson was 6'7 when he went to the Naval Academy and grew to 7'1. There are some others that grew crazy like that too, Scottie Pippen was 6'1 and soaking wet before he went to Hendrix U in Arkansas. Dennis Rodman was 6'2 and 170 lbs before going to Southeastern Oklahoma U. Those guys on roids? No, but they grew up and filled out, each year at a steady pace during their amateur then pro careers. Rodman just got crazier mentally because he went from rags to riches and enjoyed the limelight and a demon of his own demise.
But MLB? Do they really think they are going to stop PEDS? No!! Is there a way to stop it? No! With the CBA stating when players can be checked, announced or unannounced is crazy, privacy rights, etc., just check them weekly, everyone on that roster must take a urine sample, with the high tech cameras and one way glass, you can see if the player pissed or brought in a sample to taint the urine, etc. Have them undress and take the urine test under a camera - this way no one can cheat in that regard. PEDS will show in urine samples no doubt about it, and why wouldn't they? If you are using something illegal it will show in the blood stream and the kidneys need to piss it out or the poison that's given off by any drug, would eat at the player eventually and they would get very ill.
Pro Rassling I call it, featured pro wrestlers that went on the juice and how many of them lost limbs, hair, got cancer of some sort, from the repeated use/abuse of roids, back then with injections, then it became a pill then an ointment, etc. Rasslers got bigger and stronger and became freaks of nature and their behavior got crazier.
Another drug that baseball players used that never gets mentioned much and it was rampantly used when I was in college in early 80's, used on equine (horse racing) called DMSO, some type of blood thinning agent applied to the skin like sun tan lotion, we had a couple players that used it regularly and one side effect was nose bleeds, and players felt no pain in their pitching arm, but the next day they were so stiff and sore, they had to use the drug again just to loosen up to throw or reach their ass to wipe it after taking a crap.
So in short, as long as their are loopholes with player agreements and the way testing is agreed upon, the insane will continue to run the insane asylum in MLB or in the NFL or in the NBA, without a proper testing program that is used weekly, the drug that they use (PED) will not vanish that quickly and will test positive if they are using it and hadn't for a 3-4 day period, the effects of the drug will stick in the urine or even blood test, even a trickle of it lingers.
Creatin, Andro, etc., all were available over the counter and even on shelves at Walgreens or CVS years ago and muscle building/weight gain formulas are still out, and if they are illegal to use, then why are they allowed to be sold to the general public? McGwire was a big user of Creatin and later Andro, Sammy Sosa too, Sammy was 5'10 160 when he signed as a 16 year old by the Rangers, then he was 6'0 240 with the Cubs overnight? Nope, it took a lil time, but that's a huge change in physicality appearance and his numbers got better in Chicago each year until he was caught.
What will happen next to the players that had used in the past, the Canseco's, Raffy Palmeiro's etc., is their health will deteriorate quicker than most average humans that don't smoke or use drugs, some tell all books will continue to come out and some stupid ass twitter message will leak out from one of the users or providers of illegal PEDS and a list of those names will be public eventually, but ain't nothing the Commishes of Pro sports or Congress can do to stop it, unless a structured weekly test is done for all players is conducted and any player testing positive is THROWN OUT OF THEIR RESPECTIVE SPORT FOR LIFE! If throwing them out is made an example of a GREAT PLAYER, a Braun or A Rod or Clemens, etc., perhaps a message will be sent to other MLB players - ban them from ever playing another game in MLB and see what happens down the line to minor leaguers and amateurs wanting to become MLB players eventually, the abuse/use will get cut to a bare minimum, and make testing at the HS and college level manadatory as well, make it part of their physical and make it in season, a 'checkpoint' if you will weekly and see how many players test positive, if they do, kick them OUT! Don't allow them back in no matter how good they were statisically for your team, etc., make an example of them, then maybe you will see the use of PEDS cut to a bare minimum.
One last case and point, with today's technology, advanced medicine, etc., how do we not know, if players back in the beginning of when baseball was founded, were using anything illegal? No use of twitter, email, iphones, etc., back then, the media was limited to local/major newspapers, not many were investigative enough and with limit of television back then, how would we ever hear of a Babe Ruth or Willie Mays or Satchel Paige ever using illegal PEDS back then?
"The Truth Shall Set You Free" quote from Liar, Liar!
Off my soapbox now!
Later!
:soapbox:
In 1970 the average offensive linemen weighed in the 250-260 range, if you were over 300 lbs, you were no kind of athlete in the NFL at all. He we are today, ave OL is over 320 lbs. RB's were in the 5-11 to 6' range and 200 to 220 lbs, now they are over 6' for the most part and over 220 lbs, Adrian Petersen etc., but you also see many smaller backs like CJ (Titans) and Bush, Drew with Jags, etc., Ray Rice. TE's used to be 6'2 to 6'3 and 220 and 230 lbs, now they are 6'6 and 270 plus. QBs are slightly taller and slightly heavier than the 70's, go to the defensive side of the ball, LBs used to be in the 6'0 to 6'3 range and 220-230 range, now they are 6'3 plus and 255 plus.
MLB on the other hand, run an average career chart on all players - for instance, Lenny Dysktra, you see a 5'10 160 lb soaking wet OF with little power but a quick bat, then he's 5'10 and 190 and hitting them out of the park with one swing - that would raise a red flag immediately, A Rod, McGwire, Bonds, Sosa, all had quick bats and were slight of build for the most part of their minor league careers, then wallah, 20 lb muscle gain and HRs increased x 2 easily.
When I scouted, I would see kids that threw in the 80-84 mph range then the next spring they were throwing 90+, I would check their eyes, their behavior habits and 100% of them that got bigger and added that much velocity, I knew in my heart they were on roids this was in the early 80's, then the application of the drug changed to ointments and pills instead of injecting it in their thighs or buttocks. But also younger baseball players that are 18-19 years old are typically going to grow a lil more and add weight/muscle naturally, but not within 2-3 months, usually takes 12 plus months to see those changes physically with a baseball player.
When I played against Lawrence Taylor in HS, he was 6'1 190 lbs soaking wet, played firstbase for Lafayette HS in Williamsburgh, then he goes to UNC and grows to 6'3 and 240, most of it natural growth, but his behavior changed dramatically from his HS days to when he played for the Heels.
There are some freaks of nature that grow crazily during their post HS days to first two to three years in college, David "Admiral" Robinson was 6'7 when he went to the Naval Academy and grew to 7'1. There are some others that grew crazy like that too, Scottie Pippen was 6'1 and soaking wet before he went to Hendrix U in Arkansas. Dennis Rodman was 6'2 and 170 lbs before going to Southeastern Oklahoma U. Those guys on roids? No, but they grew up and filled out, each year at a steady pace during their amateur then pro careers. Rodman just got crazier mentally because he went from rags to riches and enjoyed the limelight and a demon of his own demise.
But MLB? Do they really think they are going to stop PEDS? No!! Is there a way to stop it? No! With the CBA stating when players can be checked, announced or unannounced is crazy, privacy rights, etc., just check them weekly, everyone on that roster must take a urine sample, with the high tech cameras and one way glass, you can see if the player pissed or brought in a sample to taint the urine, etc. Have them undress and take the urine test under a camera - this way no one can cheat in that regard. PEDS will show in urine samples no doubt about it, and why wouldn't they? If you are using something illegal it will show in the blood stream and the kidneys need to piss it out or the poison that's given off by any drug, would eat at the player eventually and they would get very ill.
Pro Rassling I call it, featured pro wrestlers that went on the juice and how many of them lost limbs, hair, got cancer of some sort, from the repeated use/abuse of roids, back then with injections, then it became a pill then an ointment, etc. Rasslers got bigger and stronger and became freaks of nature and their behavior got crazier.
Another drug that baseball players used that never gets mentioned much and it was rampantly used when I was in college in early 80's, used on equine (horse racing) called DMSO, some type of blood thinning agent applied to the skin like sun tan lotion, we had a couple players that used it regularly and one side effect was nose bleeds, and players felt no pain in their pitching arm, but the next day they were so stiff and sore, they had to use the drug again just to loosen up to throw or reach their ass to wipe it after taking a crap.
So in short, as long as their are loopholes with player agreements and the way testing is agreed upon, the insane will continue to run the insane asylum in MLB or in the NFL or in the NBA, without a proper testing program that is used weekly, the drug that they use (PED) will not vanish that quickly and will test positive if they are using it and hadn't for a 3-4 day period, the effects of the drug will stick in the urine or even blood test, even a trickle of it lingers.
Creatin, Andro, etc., all were available over the counter and even on shelves at Walgreens or CVS years ago and muscle building/weight gain formulas are still out, and if they are illegal to use, then why are they allowed to be sold to the general public? McGwire was a big user of Creatin and later Andro, Sammy Sosa too, Sammy was 5'10 160 when he signed as a 16 year old by the Rangers, then he was 6'0 240 with the Cubs overnight? Nope, it took a lil time, but that's a huge change in physicality appearance and his numbers got better in Chicago each year until he was caught.
What will happen next to the players that had used in the past, the Canseco's, Raffy Palmeiro's etc., is their health will deteriorate quicker than most average humans that don't smoke or use drugs, some tell all books will continue to come out and some stupid ass twitter message will leak out from one of the users or providers of illegal PEDS and a list of those names will be public eventually, but ain't nothing the Commishes of Pro sports or Congress can do to stop it, unless a structured weekly test is done for all players is conducted and any player testing positive is THROWN OUT OF THEIR RESPECTIVE SPORT FOR LIFE! If throwing them out is made an example of a GREAT PLAYER, a Braun or A Rod or Clemens, etc., perhaps a message will be sent to other MLB players - ban them from ever playing another game in MLB and see what happens down the line to minor leaguers and amateurs wanting to become MLB players eventually, the abuse/use will get cut to a bare minimum, and make testing at the HS and college level manadatory as well, make it part of their physical and make it in season, a 'checkpoint' if you will weekly and see how many players test positive, if they do, kick them OUT! Don't allow them back in no matter how good they were statisically for your team, etc., make an example of them, then maybe you will see the use of PEDS cut to a bare minimum.
One last case and point, with today's technology, advanced medicine, etc., how do we not know, if players back in the beginning of when baseball was founded, were using anything illegal? No use of twitter, email, iphones, etc., back then, the media was limited to local/major newspapers, not many were investigative enough and with limit of television back then, how would we ever hear of a Babe Ruth or Willie Mays or Satchel Paige ever using illegal PEDS back then?
"The Truth Shall Set You Free" quote from Liar, Liar!
Off my soapbox now!
Later!
:soapbox:
opcorn2Mags, some excellent points you make about the NFL. I think that there is more than likely an epidemic there too, at least with some substances. And frankly, as fans, I don't think we really want to know about it. Ignorance is often bliss, and while many were looking for more reasons to attack baseball, no one wants to think of their darling NFL as tarnished. I think the next couple decades will hold a lot of rude awakenings in every sport, and fans should decide now where the stand on the fact that we've essentially been turning a blind eye, if not tacitly enabling/encouraging this behavior for years.
As for your point about Rodgers, I do disagree a bit. You say no one would have suspected Braun a few years ago just the way we view Rodgers as so innocent now. I'm not sure I but that. Like I said, Braun struck me as a weasel from day 1. I'm not saying it isn't a possibility, but Rodgers doesn't strike me as having those same personality quirks.
Back to Braun... a couple points:
-- He owes that sampler/runner he shit on an arm and a leg. No better than Lance in that sense.
-- While I don't specifically blame the MLB, this punishment is no more than a slap on the wrist. 2% of his career earnings, and he missed the rest of a year in which his team already out. Frankly, I don't think he gives two shits whether he plays or not this year. I'm sure he doesn't want to lose that money plus whatever endorsements, but this guy has a narcissistic personality (disorder?) - I honestly don't think he feels he owes a damn thing to the Brewers, their fans, his teammates, etc. etc.
-- I think he's been on something since square one. If/when all the info comes out, I think we'll find that he's a career user. Just a hunch.
-- He owes us (the public) a lot more than "As I've said before, I'm not perfect and have made some mistakes." No shit. P.S. - I'm not overly concerned about the strife all this has put on you and your family in recent weeks. You dig your own grave sometimes.
I'm sure I could rant some more, but the 7:00 games are starting. Just my two cents. "...If you're not feeling me, fine. It costs you nothing. Pay me no mind."
Good luck tonight guys. :0corn
As for your point about Rodgers, I do disagree a bit. You say no one would have suspected Braun a few years ago just the way we view Rodgers as so innocent now. I'm not sure I but that. Like I said, Braun struck me as a weasel from day 1. I'm not saying it isn't a possibility, but Rodgers doesn't strike me as having those same personality quirks.
Back to Braun... a couple points:
-- He owes that sampler/runner he shit on an arm and a leg. No better than Lance in that sense.
-- While I don't specifically blame the MLB, this punishment is no more than a slap on the wrist. 2% of his career earnings, and he missed the rest of a year in which his team already out. Frankly, I don't think he gives two shits whether he plays or not this year. I'm sure he doesn't want to lose that money plus whatever endorsements, but this guy has a narcissistic personality (disorder?) - I honestly don't think he feels he owes a damn thing to the Brewers, their fans, his teammates, etc. etc.
-- I think he's been on something since square one. If/when all the info comes out, I think we'll find that he's a career user. Just a hunch.
-- He owes us (the public) a lot more than "As I've said before, I'm not perfect and have made some mistakes." No shit. P.S. - I'm not overly concerned about the strife all this has put on you and your family in recent weeks. You dig your own grave sometimes.
I'm sure I could rant some more, but the 7:00 games are starting. Just my two cents. "...If you're not feeling me, fine. It costs you nothing. Pay me no mind."
Good luck tonight guys. :0corn
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