SATELLITE KILLER
- Thread starter RAYMOND
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We laughed at China 2 years ago when they sent a couple astronauts up - because they were still so far behind us. Meanwhile our prestigious shuttle was crashing to earth, sending our own program back several years yet again.
China is for real. China is "strong and getting stronger". Maybe we shouldn't laugh at them anymore.
China is for real. China is "strong and getting stronger". Maybe we shouldn't laugh at them anymore.
Wouldn't seem to be too hard to hit a stationary object in space that has no defensive capabilities. Satallite couldn't even go "Shields Up".:mj07:
The whole thing is unimpressive IMO.
The whole thing is unimpressive IMO.
ray..
don't let smurphy fool you, he is anti-american through & through. after all look at the car he drives...that alone should tell you where murphy's allegiance is....
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You think this is a joke until China blows up your hee haw satellite and you can't see any NASCAR races. If Iran had this and were attacked they could shutdown phones, GPS systems, cruise missiles, directv. American people would not like it one bit.
There are dozens and dozens of satillites out there kids
and they probably break down every now and then and you never notice
but please continue with the panic and DJV conspiracy theories as it is very entertaining:mj07:
and they probably break down every now and then and you never notice
but please continue with the panic and DJV conspiracy theories as it is very entertaining:mj07:
Al, it seems that you've enterfered in Ray & me's burgeoning America-hating civil war. That is not a good spot 2 be in. Do I hate America or Saudi Arabia? ...Perhaps some of each. I love Wal-Mart though, so that means my favorite country is China.
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There is evidence of ignorance everywhere.
What's funny is that it would be somewhat pertinent if some hillbilly like me, Taoist, or DTB had posted. But to shun the likes of people from Philly, Chicago, Arizona, and Cali (smurphy?) with accusations of watching Hee Haw and NASCAR is a downright criminal.
I do like how spy gave NASCAR its due respect with the proper capitalization, though.
China rules!
I O not sure what the hell your talking about. But Ray is right we better take China very seriously.
If there ever was a country who we need to work closely with in Asia it's them. And just beating our chest won't get it done. China can a may become a bigger threat to us then Russia ever was.
If there ever was a country who we need to work closely with in Asia it's them. And just beating our chest won't get it done. China can a may become a bigger threat to us then Russia ever was.
Amazing!
You say this now, after the fact, ocean under the bridge, when a chunk of their success is due to the previous administration. Where were you then? I wasn't scared Japan and I'm not scared of China. As per usual, you guys have no concept of the big picture or the strength of the United States.
as far as DJV conspiracy theories......
What the jibber, Japan, Oceans. Japan is on our side. At least I hope so. China only showing signs of a different attitude last 5 years. Do you blame them. Sad thing is we need each other. You want to see economic collapse. Most of our world for us revolves around Japan, China and Europe is last.
China makes no bones about it. Bush does not bother (rattle) them with his nutty ideas. Good news he's gone in less then 2 years. And yes we know how powerful we are. But you can have all the power in the world. But if you have idiots (see Iraq) running it. You could still be doomed.
China makes no bones about it. Bush does not bother (rattle) them with his nutty ideas. Good news he's gone in less then 2 years. And yes we know how powerful we are. But you can have all the power in the world. But if you have idiots (see Iraq) running it. You could still be doomed.
I'm in the business.
Walmart is a complete dump. They sell tons of crap Chinese products. They not only have the lowest labor costs of any retailer outside of a flea market, but they hustle the shit out of every supplier. Threats and demands is all that they are about. They lure you all in with low prices on key items in every catagory, then nail you on the rest of the store.
Do yourselves a favor, spend a litlle extra money for better quality for yourselves and your families and don't shop there. This has nothing to do with politics.
YOU HEARD IT HERE 1ST
In Walmarts world, if China gets a cold, Walmart gets a fever. Sooner or later, this "perfect" partner in China will have not such a rosy situation. Walmart will gouge the shit out of you, their regular customers. I've been in retail for some time. I've seen them all come and go. Walmart is already being inundated with tons of knockoffs that actually sell their Chinese crap for less than they do. There are at least 6 discounters in this market taking Walmart customers away. Walmarts future growth is the same as McDonalds. It's all in markets they aren't in, not in markets they already exist in
Walmart is a complete dump. They sell tons of crap Chinese products. They not only have the lowest labor costs of any retailer outside of a flea market, but they hustle the shit out of every supplier. Threats and demands is all that they are about. They lure you all in with low prices on key items in every catagory, then nail you on the rest of the store.
Do yourselves a favor, spend a litlle extra money for better quality for yourselves and your families and don't shop there. This has nothing to do with politics.
YOU HEARD IT HERE 1ST
In Walmarts world, if China gets a cold, Walmart gets a fever. Sooner or later, this "perfect" partner in China will have not such a rosy situation. Walmart will gouge the shit out of you, their regular customers. I've been in retail for some time. I've seen them all come and go. Walmart is already being inundated with tons of knockoffs that actually sell their Chinese crap for less than they do. There are at least 6 discounters in this market taking Walmart customers away. Walmarts future growth is the same as McDonalds. It's all in markets they aren't in, not in markets they already exist in
None Dare Call it Treason
by
Patrick Buchanan
April 24, 1998
In 1953, in one of the dramatic acts of the Cold War, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed in Sing Sing prison for having turned over atomic secrets to Stalin's Russia.
America was a serious country then. Outside the hard left, few sympathized with the Rosenbergs as they went to their place of execution. But today, the nation seems to have no vital interests the betrayal of which might justify such retribution. Consider:
In 1996, two custodians of America's vital missile technology quietly handed over to Beijing critical information to improve the reliability of China's long-range rockets -- the rockets that carry the nuclear warheads that Beijing has targeted on the U.S.A.
Were the responsible executives at Hughes Electronics and Loral Space and Communications dragged from their offices in handcuffs like CIA traitor Aldrich Ames? By no means. Bill Clinton intervened to undermine any prosecution. Said a disgusted Senate aide, Clinton gave the corporate reprobates a "get out of jail free" card.
Here is the story, as uncovered by Jeff Gerth in The New York Times:
In 1992, the United States learned that China had transferred missile technology to Pakistan. Clinton ordered, as a sanction, that no U.S. sophisticated satellites be launched on Chinese rockets. This was a blow to U.S. manufacturers of high-tech satellites who were depending on state-subsidized, low-cost Chinese rockets to launch their satellites.
As Hughes and Loral have contributed $2.5 million to the Democratic Party since 1991, then-Hughes chief C. Michael Armstrong wrote two tough letters to Clinton, reminding him of past support. Upset at losing business to European rivals, he urged Clinton to let U.S. companies use China's rockets and to transfer control of satellite exports from a hostile State Department to a friendly Commerce Department.
In 1994, Loral Chairman Bernard Schwartz joined a Ron Brown junket to China, where Loral won a contract fo a mobile telephone network. Weeks later, Harold Ickes wrote Clinton that Schwartz "is prepared to do anything he can for the administration."
Ickes did not understate. Schwartz has emerged as a premier donor of the Democratic Party, shelling out $366,000 last year alone.
The pressure paid off. Sanctions on China were lifted, and in 1996, control of satellite technology transfers was handed over to Commerce. Unfortunately, China's launch of a $200 million Loral satellite lasted only 22 seconds, as the missile crashed and burned.
China's racketeers did not know what happened. So, scientists for Loral and Hughes stepped in and discovered the accident had been caused by an electrical flaw in the rocket's flight control system. Sharing this information, the team gave Chinese scientists the full report that also dealt with guidance and control systems, a chronic weakness in the rocket program of the Chinese military.
A stunned State Department had the Pentagon investigate. After a year-long study, the Defense Department concluded that "United States national security has been harmed." The Justice Department began a criminal investigation of Loral and Hughes. Enter Bill Clinton.
In February, ignoring pleas from Justice, Clinton undermined the investigation by signing a waiver allowing the sale to China of the kind of missile technology Loral and Hughes had transferred.
Writes Human Events, "The greatest scandal of the Clinton administration is that the president of the United States has sold out the national security interests of our country to Communist China."
Only months ago, Clinton was prepared to send U.S. pilots to their deaths to prevent Iraq from acquiring weapons to be launched on Scud missiles. Yet, a Scud has not a tenth of the range of these Chinese rockets, and the biological weapons Saddam Hussein is trying to build have nothing like the assured destructive power of the nuclear weapons China is targeting on the United States.
How times change. Ronald Reagan was almost impeached for shipping anti-tank weapons to Iran, while Clinton gets a pass for rescuing companies that gave the greatest tyranny on Earth an improved capacity to burn to ashes the cities of his own country.
Half a century ago, the most detested of Americans had sold scrap metal to Japan. Now, men who enhance the capacity of the missile forces of potential enemies are known as Friends of Bill.
Ad nauseam, we are reminded that the private life of Bill Clinton is none of our business. But presidential intervention to absolve corporate contributors of near treason is our business.
by
Patrick Buchanan
April 24, 1998
In 1953, in one of the dramatic acts of the Cold War, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were executed in Sing Sing prison for having turned over atomic secrets to Stalin's Russia.
America was a serious country then. Outside the hard left, few sympathized with the Rosenbergs as they went to their place of execution. But today, the nation seems to have no vital interests the betrayal of which might justify such retribution. Consider:
In 1996, two custodians of America's vital missile technology quietly handed over to Beijing critical information to improve the reliability of China's long-range rockets -- the rockets that carry the nuclear warheads that Beijing has targeted on the U.S.A.
Were the responsible executives at Hughes Electronics and Loral Space and Communications dragged from their offices in handcuffs like CIA traitor Aldrich Ames? By no means. Bill Clinton intervened to undermine any prosecution. Said a disgusted Senate aide, Clinton gave the corporate reprobates a "get out of jail free" card.
Here is the story, as uncovered by Jeff Gerth in The New York Times:
In 1992, the United States learned that China had transferred missile technology to Pakistan. Clinton ordered, as a sanction, that no U.S. sophisticated satellites be launched on Chinese rockets. This was a blow to U.S. manufacturers of high-tech satellites who were depending on state-subsidized, low-cost Chinese rockets to launch their satellites.
As Hughes and Loral have contributed $2.5 million to the Democratic Party since 1991, then-Hughes chief C. Michael Armstrong wrote two tough letters to Clinton, reminding him of past support. Upset at losing business to European rivals, he urged Clinton to let U.S. companies use China's rockets and to transfer control of satellite exports from a hostile State Department to a friendly Commerce Department.
In 1994, Loral Chairman Bernard Schwartz joined a Ron Brown junket to China, where Loral won a contract fo a mobile telephone network. Weeks later, Harold Ickes wrote Clinton that Schwartz "is prepared to do anything he can for the administration."
Ickes did not understate. Schwartz has emerged as a premier donor of the Democratic Party, shelling out $366,000 last year alone.
The pressure paid off. Sanctions on China were lifted, and in 1996, control of satellite technology transfers was handed over to Commerce. Unfortunately, China's launch of a $200 million Loral satellite lasted only 22 seconds, as the missile crashed and burned.
China's racketeers did not know what happened. So, scientists for Loral and Hughes stepped in and discovered the accident had been caused by an electrical flaw in the rocket's flight control system. Sharing this information, the team gave Chinese scientists the full report that also dealt with guidance and control systems, a chronic weakness in the rocket program of the Chinese military.
A stunned State Department had the Pentagon investigate. After a year-long study, the Defense Department concluded that "United States national security has been harmed." The Justice Department began a criminal investigation of Loral and Hughes. Enter Bill Clinton.
In February, ignoring pleas from Justice, Clinton undermined the investigation by signing a waiver allowing the sale to China of the kind of missile technology Loral and Hughes had transferred.
Writes Human Events, "The greatest scandal of the Clinton administration is that the president of the United States has sold out the national security interests of our country to Communist China."
Only months ago, Clinton was prepared to send U.S. pilots to their deaths to prevent Iraq from acquiring weapons to be launched on Scud missiles. Yet, a Scud has not a tenth of the range of these Chinese rockets, and the biological weapons Saddam Hussein is trying to build have nothing like the assured destructive power of the nuclear weapons China is targeting on the United States.
How times change. Ronald Reagan was almost impeached for shipping anti-tank weapons to Iran, while Clinton gets a pass for rescuing companies that gave the greatest tyranny on Earth an improved capacity to burn to ashes the cities of his own country.
Half a century ago, the most detested of Americans had sold scrap metal to Japan. Now, men who enhance the capacity of the missile forces of potential enemies are known as Friends of Bill.
Ad nauseam, we are reminded that the private life of Bill Clinton is none of our business. But presidential intervention to absolve corporate contributors of near treason is our business.
So China got this from us 10 years ago. And 10 years later they find out how to use it. Please. If Bush want's to have a space race he's nuts. But he says we will go forward with this type testing. China and Japan both said we should look into treaties not to take a missile race to space. Bush has turn those talk down. He Keeps saying we have to worry about the king of earth N Korea. Here he's wrong again it's not N Korea. Might he ever learn.
Ray is dead right. China just sent a message to Bush you want a space race. You got it. Just one problem China did what we have not. Knocked the dam thing out of the sky 420 miles up.
So Doc you think they did this with something we gave them. We must still be learning. Or maybe the bastards got ahead of us? In any case this is not a good thing.
Ray is dead right. China just sent a message to Bush you want a space race. You got it. Just one problem China did what we have not. Knocked the dam thing out of the sky 420 miles up.
So Doc you think they did this with something we gave them. We must still be learning. Or maybe the bastards got ahead of us? In any case this is not a good thing.
Like we are not
Like we are not
working on death rays, weather disruption, and the seven plagues of Egypt type stuff.
It is not un-patriotic to question the direction of this country; the early founders deemed it necessary in not so many words.
glta
Like we are not
working on death rays, weather disruption, and the seven plagues of Egypt type stuff.
It is not un-patriotic to question the direction of this country; the early founders deemed it necessary in not so many words.
glta
