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Where is Obamas PLAN?
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The Obama's plan is to continue to spend $4.1 billion per day (yes, that is a real number representing how much our debt goes up everyday). Thankfully we got a Republican House or he'd be spending twice that.
Fixed it for you azbob.
The President does not make spending decisions. That is done by the Congress. He cannot spend more than they authorize.
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OK then...The Obama's plan is, UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP and with both houses controlled by democrats for two years, spending has jumped to $4.1 billion dollars per day based on The Obama's sign-off on every dollar spent and every budget approved.
Duff, maybe that makes you feel better but, it doesn't do anything for the country.
Duff, maybe that makes you feel better but, it doesn't do anything for the country.
Wall Street bankers & hedge fund managers, defense contractors, subsidized oil and mining companies and corporate farmers, et. al. might disagree with you, Bob.
So might retired Americans relying on Social Security checks and Medicare, disabled Americans and veterans of foreign wars, elderly women and single mothers on food stamps.
So might most Americans who want national security, affordable healthcare, safe streets and neighborhoods, safe skies and airports, safe borders and coastlines, safe food to eat, safe water to drink, safe air to breathe, safe roads and bridges to drive, good primary schools and funding for secondary education.
Americans want a lot of things that capitalism doesn't provide, Bob. That's why socialism exists but we don't like that word in America so we pretend it doesn't.
Who says capitalism doesn't or can't provide those things, Trench? You - an avowed Socialist?
Muff:
You're going to try and pin a $4 trillion increase in the deficit on a Republican House that just came in?
President can't spend w/o authorization? Who sent the military to Libya?
You guys are a real comedy team.
Muff:
You're going to try and pin a $4 trillion increase in the deficit on a Republican House that just came in?
President can't spend w/o authorization? Who sent the military to Libya?
You guys are a real comedy team.
No sooner do I have to correct you as to who controls expenditures, you're right back making another bogus claim. Our deficit, a bit over one trillion dollars for 2010, is almost entirely the result of expenditures put in place by Bush and republican controlled congress.
First off, The Obama(as you call him) hasn't signed off on any budget since congress hasn't sent him any.
Bush inherited a Federal budget in surplus from Clinton. If Bush hadn't fucked it up, we were on track to pay off the entire debt.
He then proceeded to piss that surplus away plus almost another trillion per year.
Here is is, you add it up:
$373 billion/yr for Medicare part D, enacted under Bush with not one penny of increased revenue or one penny of spending cuts to pay for it.
$171 billion/yr for unnecessary wars in Iraq and Afghanistan without one penny of increased revenue of one penny of spending cuts to pay for them.
$250 billion/yr for the Bush tax cuts without one penny of increased revenue, or one penny of spending cuts.
A $10 billion/yr subsidy to ethanol producers which has driven food prices up by many billions, without one penny of increased revenue or one penny of spending cuts.
Which of those do you wish to blame on Obama?
Duff, maybe that makes you feel better but, it doesn't do anything for the country.
No, azbob, it doesn't make me feel well at all that we are running a huge deficit.
But it pisses me off even more when Republicans pretend that they are fiscally responsible, when, in fact, they are just the opposite.
Facts, azbob, facts. Try them sometime in place of fiction.
Not sure where your debating skills went, SDD. :shrug:
You seem to have fallen into the Dogs routine of labeling others and relying on platitudes and talking points.
I think capitalism "can" provide some of the things that socialism does, it just doesn't. Personally, I want government to act as a check and balance to the runaway greed of big business and provide those services that require long-term commitment, commitment that's not dictated by quarterly returns. If that makes me a socialist in your mind, so be it.
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government?s surpluses during FY1998-FY2001 reduced debt held by the public by
$448 billion. The debt holdings of government accounts grew by $853 billion over
the same period. The total net change raised total federal debt by $405 billion
Trench...people don't always get what they want...they certainly can keep what they earn...minus what the government takes.
The federal government can protect the borders and take care of our military and can also pay back the dollars we put into social security but, the consitution notes the "pursuit of...." not the right to have something just because they want it...that's the basic tenant that many don't understand or just don't want to accept.
Your man Clinton weened the single mothers off of welfare and rightfully so. I agree we should eliminate various subsidies.
Your entire third paragraph (minus security) can abolutely be provided by a free marketplace. Who thinks the TSA does a better job than a private company?...Fed Express vs. the Post Office...safe roads and bridges > the government is just the middle man to hand off dollars to private contractors...healthcare delivery run by the government > that sounds like a good idea huh?
I'm not saying that state and local government should be taken out of the equation but, the federal government has far overstepped their bounds and ability to govern...you see the result.
Regardless of your political affiliation, why would anyone want to give this federal government more power, more responsibility and more money?
Meanwhile Duff...The Obama has been in office for three years...according to your list he has not been able to strategize and govern to overcome problems that occurred as much as 11 years ago. Is that effective leadership...a successful presidency? When he was making all of those promises during the campaign I don't recall any foresight of all of the excuses which apparently you so plainly see.
All his election did was reinforce that the president and the government was there to take care of us and only deepened people's dependence. The "Peter Principle" mandates he return to his role as community organizer.
The federal government can protect the borders and take care of our military and can also pay back the dollars we put into social security but, the consitution notes the "pursuit of...." not the right to have something just because they want it...that's the basic tenant that many don't understand or just don't want to accept.
Your man Clinton weened the single mothers off of welfare and rightfully so. I agree we should eliminate various subsidies.
Your entire third paragraph (minus security) can abolutely be provided by a free marketplace. Who thinks the TSA does a better job than a private company?...Fed Express vs. the Post Office...safe roads and bridges > the government is just the middle man to hand off dollars to private contractors...healthcare delivery run by the government > that sounds like a good idea huh?
I'm not saying that state and local government should be taken out of the equation but, the federal government has far overstepped their bounds and ability to govern...you see the result.
Regardless of your political affiliation, why would anyone want to give this federal government more power, more responsibility and more money?
Meanwhile Duff...The Obama has been in office for three years...according to your list he has not been able to strategize and govern to overcome problems that occurred as much as 11 years ago. Is that effective leadership...a successful presidency? When he was making all of those promises during the campaign I don't recall any foresight of all of the excuses which apparently you so plainly see.
All his election did was reinforce that the president and the government was there to take care of us and only deepened people's dependence. The "Peter Principle" mandates he return to his role as community organizer.
It was a private company, Wackenhut, I think, which let the 9-11 terrorists board with box cutters.
Facts are Hell, azbob.
Do let me know when Fed Ex will pick up a letter at my house and deliver it to your house for $.42:mj07:
$0.42 just isn't cutting it.
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/business/news/article_1647048.php/FedEx-profits-soar-while-US-public-post-service-stops-pensions
Just like Borders, the USPS is a failing business model. Borders is done. Unless the USPS can revamp, it should be done as well.
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/business/news/article_1647048.php/FedEx-profits-soar-while-US-public-post-service-stops-pensions
Just like Borders, the USPS is a failing business model. Borders is done. Unless the USPS can revamp, it should be done as well.
Smurphy, Obama doesn't have a PLAN, niether does Harry Ried and the Democrat party.
PITY REALLY that he has the Major News Media running his PROPAGANDA.
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jmho
Duff...it is obvious that you need to be taken care of so The Obama can crowd you into his baby buggy and make your decisions, finance your needs and rule your life.
Some how, this country was able to grow and thrive utilizing the talents and ambition of its people to create companies and offer opportunities. It's nice that you can cite the TSA and Post Office as shinining lights of success for government control but, 90% of the people who read that will quietly laugh and move one...so will I.
Some how, this country was able to grow and thrive utilizing the talents and ambition of its people to create companies and offer opportunities. It's nice that you can cite the TSA and Post Office as shinining lights of success for government control but, 90% of the people who read that will quietly laugh and move one...so will I.
Good idea, the asbob. Take your factless nonsense and move on.....way, way on.
Here are couple sites where you'll fit right in:
www.doltsRus.com
www.faithbeatsfacts.com
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