Gus Malzahn to Vandy
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While I don't fully disagree with your statement About how good Gus is, it's no fluke that chizik has been undefeated 3 times in the last 6 years and appeared in two bcs title games. When he leaves Gus that is, we will hire someone very good to run the offense.
CGM is staying, he just became the highest paid OC in the country and I'm glad to keep him for another year. :toast:
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The guy says it's a done deal twice with no source, that's why I called him out.
Will be interesting to see how the aub o will fare next season without cam and replacing 4 on the ol. It certainly seemed to the untrained eye that cam and his ol, not the scheme, were what made them click this season.
The man obviously knows his stuff, but logic dictates that next year will be much more dificult given the losses.
No doubt about that
I don't think anyone is expecting auburn to be anywhere close to the bcs next year, except maybe jrush:mj07:
J/k
I'm sorry, but I think you could not be more wrong. I've said this in other topics, but Malzahn has done this at every school he has been at. And let's not forget just how bad the offense was while Tuberville was there, before Malzahn. They were the worst offense in the SEC and if I remember right, one of the worst in the country. He has completely turned it around, but I agree that it is not completely Malzahn. You would have to be stupid to think that Newton doesn't fit the system perfectly.
Without Cam, I think Aub does this year what they did last year. Good O that excels against weak OOC squads. 24 or so ppg in SEC play, and contained to 15ppg by Bama and LSU. That does not make Malzhan a goat, but it is far from genius material from where I'm standing. Next year will tell us plenty.
As I've mentioned, Aub will play 7 tough games, with 5 of them on the road. It should be a nice test for Malzahn, his inexperienced QB and his new OL.
Good points, but all I'm saying is that he took an offense that ranked 104th in 2008 and with many of the same mediocre players increased the production to 16th in the nation. In my book that's absolutely amazing. I don't know if you realize that he jumped the offense up 88 spots! I can't imagine that they would be as good without Newton, but I don't think it will be a dramatic dropoff.
couldnt be farther from the truth. look at malzahns 1st season with auburn and the enormous improvement with tubbervilles players under gus' system. now he recruits players for his system. the auburn offense wont drop much at all. as long as gus is there it will consistently be one of the best in the country. period.
By saying that this is not further from the truth, you are insinuating that you know something definitively. This, however, is a matter of opinion. Although I am backing my opinion with some facts, I realize that in the end it is merely my opinion. Glad to know that your convictions are this strong, but I still disagree with your position based on the following.
I'll keep saying it, but what I saw out of Aub's offense last season was not overly impressive. The numbers had to improve from Tubb's pathetic last season. I watched 2 complete games in '09, vs LSU and Iron Bowl. LSU held them to 3 points until a TD on the last play of the game. Aub O fared better vs Bama, but nothing to write home about.
Their overall offensive numbers were skewed high by scoring plenty vs softer competition(averaged 48.5 ppg vs Furman, West VA, LA Tech and Ball St), but they were held in check by the better defenses they faced. Aub scored 15.5 ppg vs the only 2 good defenses they faced in 2009 ( including 7 points on last play of blowout @LSU) and averaged roughly 250ypg in those 2 losses. Again, GM led them to improved numbers over '08, but still nothing special and the QB and OL were more experienced in '09 season than this coming season.
The biggest key to why I feel that Cam, not Gus, made this team is the jump in 3rd down % this season. Last season, they converted a reasonable 40%, but this year the number jumped (against a far tougher schedule) to a sickening 53%. Apparently, you and others attribute the 33% increase to GM, but I see it differently. I witnessed Newton do things that other players cannot. His strength and great feet made it happen. His yards after contact are ridiculous. Not to mention, did you see how dominant the OL play was in the SEC title game and the back half of Iron Bowl?
As indicated in prior post, I feel that Cam and OL are responsible for tranforming Aub's good offense from last season into a special offense, which converts as needed and beats you howeer you allow them to. They will grind out first downs or hit you with the big play. Even if you get to Cam, that does not mean the defender will make the play. I am pretty sure that will not be the case after Cam is gone
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Cie. You do realize that in 2009 we had Chris Todd. He and Kodi Burns (tubberville / franklin kids) are two of the worst kids we've had play quarterback in the history of Auburn Football. And we still went 8-5.
That alone makes 2009 impressive to me.
We will have a regression next year if/when Cam leaves and our OLine goes with him. but our boys have been recruiting (paying) some real big guys to fill those shoes. And Keihl Frazier should help us forget about Cam, as an above poster stated
That alone makes 2009 impressive to me.
We will have a regression next year if/when Cam leaves and our OLine goes with him. but our boys have been recruiting (paying) some real big guys to fill those shoes. And Keihl Frazier should help us forget about Cam, as an above poster stated
Cie glad to see that you can handle a civilized discussion on a topic without flying off the handle. It is very refreshing and commendable. As far as the numbers being skewed, you could say the same for this year's squad. They have averaged 48.25 ppg vs. Clemson, Ark. St., La. Monroe, and Chattanooga. The two best defenses they faced (Miss. St. and LSU) they averaged 20.5 of course you are talking about two different years and different defenses. I'm definitely not saying that you stick any other QB in this offense and they would be scoring at the same rate, but I am definitely saying that if Newton went to Miss. St. they would not be scoring 45pts per game. Like you said it's a matter of opinion and it's good to see a civilized discussion.