Sec Vs Pac 10

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I know we got man-handled by the pac ten this weekend but,

A phone call to the LSU athletic department ticket office on Tuesday went like this:
Do you have an estimate of the number of tickets your office has sold to Saturday's football game in Tucson?
"A little more than 5,000."
Do you know if the majority of those 5,000 were sold to LSU fans living in Arizona or were they bought by LSU fans who are going to travel to Tucson?
"We sold them through our office to people here."
That's so SEC, isn't it? Making such a big thing of a little old football game.
No Pac-10 school sends 5,000 fans to Tucson for a football game, not even Washington in a Rose Bowl year. Never USC. No way UCLA. The allotment given Arizona State rarely exceeds 5,000, and Sun Devil football fans won't come to Tucson unless they sense a sure thing.
The SEC is America's Football Belt, a culture unknown to the Pac-10.
LSU plays at Death Valley. In the Pac-10, Cal plays at Strawberry Canyon.
Adjacent to LSU's Death Valley is a bengal tiger, caged and angry. Outside Washington's Husky Stadium is a lake that allows Pac-10 spectators to arrive via their yachts and houseboats.
LSU's football radio network has 42 affiliates. Cal's football radio network has four affiliates.
In the SEC, adults arrive at the stadium wearing hats shaped like pigs and alligators. Pac-10 fans arrive with their hats backward. Or sideways.
SEC football fans begin their tailgate parties on Thursday. Pac-10 football fans arrive at kickoff.
"How 'bout them Dawgs!" is an accepted form of midweek greeting in the SEC. In the Pac-10 it's, "Do you know anybody who wants my tickets? I'm going to Tahoe on Saturday."
In the SEC, community leaders have been known to use political platforms to express their passion for college football. "The great state of Florida, as proud of the Democratic ticket as it is of our No. 1-ranked Seminoles, casts all of its ballots for ? " In the Pac-10, politicians play tennis.
In LSU's media guide, starting receiver Devery Henderson says he enjoys raising pit bulls. In Arizona's press book, starting receiver Ricky Williams says he enjoys reading.
Since the Pac-10 expanded in 1978, it has played 41 games against SEC schools. Only 10 of those games have been played on Pac-10 turf (and nine of them were in Los Angeles). Why? The Pac-10 views the SEC as an ATM. Six SEC schools routinely average in excess of 80,000 for home games, far more than any Pac-10 school has ever averaged. Poor old Washington State agreed to a suicidal series of five games at Tennessee from 1980 to 1994 in exchange for a piece of the Vols' bountiful gate. Wazzu went 0-5.
In 1988, an epic LSU victory over Auburn at Death Valley actually registered movement on a seismic meter at the campus geology department. In 1989, fearing that its football stadium was not earthquake-proof, Cal held a series of practices on an intramural field.
The SEC is Bear Bryant sipping whiskey, smoking cigarettes, living at the office, creating a legend. The Pac-10 is Steve Lavin, hair slicked back, living on the beach, looking for a clue.
The SEC is Tennessee's distinctive orange-and-white checkerbox end zone paint. The Pac-10 is Oregon's shop-at-the-Gap, yellow jerseys and yellow pants.
The SEC is between-the-hedges at Georgia, instantly identifiable as the place Herschel Walker once played. The Pac-10 is "CARDINALS" visible under a sketchy coat of maroon and gold paint at turf-challenged Sun Devil Stadium.
The SEC is an intimate neighborhood, requiring LSU to travel no farther than 690 miles (to South Carolina) for a league game. The climate never changes. In the Pac-10, Arizona and Washington are separated by 1,635 miles.
At LSU, Halloween is Heisman winner Billy Cannon's 89-yard punt return to beat Ole Miss on Oct. 31, 1958, the most enduring play in school history. At Arizona, Halloween is Oct. 31, 1992, when Desert Swarm, coming off three straight victories over Top 25 teams and an 8-7 loss to No. 1 Miami, drew 38,463, their smallest crowd since 1985.
In the SEC, an under-the-microscope football coach got fired for partying when out of town. In the Pac-10, the same coach went on for 14 seasons without being recognized outside the city limits.
 

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you can't beat us on the field, so knock us for not attending games...:shrug:
actually your write-up was entertaining! but we all live differently. i know myself, i usually have friends and family over watching (wagering) and bbq'ing on saturdays during college football.
 

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I don't think your write-up was debate about the better football conference, but......
RECENTLY from the top of my head......

UCLA beat Alabama twice with BOB TOLEDO as head coach and Alabama was highly touted.

Oregon destroyed Miss. St. twice.

USC beat AU twice, and destroyed them @AU (when AU was highly touted).

USC plays Arkansas next 2 years, and will beat them twice.

Another note, USC played and destroyed @CO, ND, Iowa, @AU, and every single game, the oposing team dissed USC and the Pac 10. USC too soft, USC too small, USC plays in pass happy pac 10, USC not used to heat, USC not used to altitude, USC not physical enough. BLAH BLAH BLAH. USC destroyed all these opponents. USC is back, and will be back for a long time.

Scary thing is, "WE ARE JUST GETTING STARTED" - Pete Carroll

I think the PAC 10 is stronger than the SEC. You might not believe me, but the pac 10 really beats on each other all year long and does not get the respect it deserves. This might be a down year for pac 10, but so far, pac 10 is doing great in OOC games.

As for attendance, i think there are more things to do out here on the west coast. I know for sure in L.A. there are ton of things for people to do so we do not get the sell outs like the SEC.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!
 
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Nice write-up, wareagle. Funny and entertaining. Having spent time in both the South and the West Coast, I appreciate your observations.
 

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You could've written the same thing but substituted SEC with Big Ten and LSU, Auburn, Alabama and Tennesse with Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State and Michigan.
 

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ASU has sold out its allotment for the games at iowa and at north carolina this year in addition to last years holiday bowl, and 97 sun bowl and 97's rose bowl.
What does a Turf-Challenged Sun Devil Stadium mean? Are you saying the field is as bad as the georgia domes? SDS was voted as the second best playing surface in the nfl last year so get your facts straight. ASU outdraws the Cardinals every year... and dipite horrible atttnedance declines over the past 5 years, ASU still outdraws the Cardinals.
 
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SCOTTSC- Dont worry about the rest of the country, before the season we are all called soft and have no defense, after we beat them we caught them in a down year. Pac-10 will never get any respect and it doesnt matter. If USC was in the SEC they would be ranked number 1. Another point about east coast bias... Arizona recieved 7 votes for the top 25... and they are ranked in the 70's by cbs.. anyone else think the ap writers thought they were the same school as Arizona State.. In sports illiustrated top 25 previes they called the sun devils.. wildcats, bottom line is they dont stay up till the late morning to see our product and thats fine once again. Go Pac-10
 

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Which SEC team plays in the Georgia Dome? Just curious. I know we play our CHampionship game there(something you guys should try, but that is a whole different can of worms), I think the Big 12 CG is on turf as well. I have no idea what this has to do with the SEC vs PAC 10 though! Congrats you have made a good point that has no revalence to this thread. When did i compare anything to the NFL and their attendance. I can name at least 5 SEC stadiums that sell more tix EVERY weekend than most NFL teams. But then again there wasn't any comparing SEC to Pac ten. This post was an article written in the Tuscon newspaper so take it out on your fellow arizonian
 

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yes the championship game is at the dome.. but i was defending the turf issue.. i should have figured that came from the tucsin citizen.. Your no relevance point... I was bringing up other points not arguing with the thoughts expressed in the pulitzer winning piece. I am disgusted with the attendance in the pac-10, I for one went to every ASU game while I went to college there, and now I go to a ucla or sc game every weekend unless ASU is playing at the same time and I watch them on the tube. Take it easy on the Wildcats this weekend
 

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why would we wnat a chmpionship game in a 10 team conferance? Not to mention the championship game takes away the importance of winning the conferance title
 

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Love your sense of humor, Wareagle...

Love your sense of humor, Wareagle...

...and most of what you wrote is true. Your piece was a classic bit of "Pac Ten" bashing.

The irony is that Auburn fans have to hope USC goes on winning in order to enhance the Tigers' BCS fortunes. What a world!

Likewise, USC will be rooting for Auburn the rest of the season.
 

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Hey bgold13, how do you think your Sun Devils will be this year? I have them contending for the PAC 10 Championship, but i have to say my Trojans are the clear cut favorites.

USC plays @ASU so you have slight advantage with home field. Here is the reason i think USC beats ASU. YOUR QB! Now you must be thinking i am smoking something. Walter is a good maybe even great QB, but here is your problem when you face USC. Walter is a statue, and the USC DL will sack him every time they get near him. USC sacked Campbell 6 times (and nearly missed sacking him another 5-10 times) and he was very mobile qb and AU has much better OL than ASU. Unfortunately for ASU, i don't think they have much of a running game. Or do you?

Tell me what you think.

Oh yeah, i would like to know what your feelings are playing Northern Arizona and Utah St.??? I and other USC fans would be outraged if USC scheduled those 2 schools. BYU and Hawaii are USC's weak OOC games, and both schools will prob. be going to bowl games this year.

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nice for a team ranked #6 at the time in front of their hillbilly fans. I USC could of had Uncle Jesse from the Dukes of Hazzard be there QB and still win by 14
 

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The SEC has......

The SEC has......

enormous cash-laden crowds & angry tigers & pig-shaped hats & drunken coaches & 0 wins v Pac 10 recently!!!

Pac 10 is the pimp, SEC is the ho!!!!!!

If I remember correctly, the announcers during the AU-SC game told a story about Bear Bryant changing his recruiting philosophy after his Tide took a whipping at the hands of the Mike Garrett led Trojans in the early 70's. Can you tell me the last time any of the Miss schools, UK, Vandy or S Car. even won a div. title? Since 1990 every team in the Pac 10 except Cal has won or shared the Pac 10 title. That's 9 different champions in 13 years. No other conf even comes close in overall football talent.

The crowds were pretty big at the Matrix II, but that movie still sucked!
 

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Good Post

Bear Bryant actually took a USC FOOTBALL PLAYER, Sam Bam Cunningham to his locker room and told his team this is what a football player looks like.

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Scott4USC said:
Hey bgold13, how do you think your Sun Devils will be this year? I have them contending for the PAC 10 Championship, but i have to say my Trojans are the clear cut favorites.

USC plays @ASU so you have slight advantage with home field. Here is the reason i think USC beats ASU. YOUR QB! Now you must be thinking i am smoking something. Walter is a good maybe even great QB, but here is your problem when you face USC. Walter is a statue, and the USC DL will sack him every time they get near him. USC sacked Campbell 6 times (and nearly missed sacking him another 5-10 times) and he was very mobile qb and AU has much better OL than ASU. Unfortunately for ASU, i don't think they have much of a running game. Or do you?

Tell me what you think.

Oh yeah, i would like to know what your feelings are playing Northern Arizona and Utah St.??? I and other USC fans would be outraged if USC scheduled those 2 schools. BYU and Hawaii are USC's weak OOC games, and both schools will prob. be going to bowl games this year.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!

In terms of playing NAU and Utah St, we are only playing NAU b/c a team cancelled on us at the last minute. Utah St. is just a cupcake.

You can't say Andrew Walter hurts the chance for ASU to win, that sounds bad. There might be a completely different gameplan at that point in the season against USC, so we just have to see. Maybe it's constant 3 step drops and stants so SC can't get to Walter.
Our running game should be average at best this year, but that is not a big deal. Auburn supposedly had the best running backs in the country and they got pounded. Obviously that didn't work against SC.

I think it is a 2 team race in the PAC 10 between SC and ASU. U-Dub and OSU are much, much overrated. U-Dub might be the most overrated team in the country at the start of the year. (People seem to forget UW had a 17-0 lead against Purdue in the bowl game and lost 34-17. All those returning starters are part of that team). OSU has Jackson, who lit it up against bad opponents, and Derek Anderson...yee of the horrible accuracy.

I am actually afraid of UCLA, who has a ton of talent that was never used to their ability with Toledo as coach. I don't think they can win the title, but I think they can definitely be in the top 3.
 

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Thanks for the correction Scott.

But, honestly, wareagle's (or whoever wrote that piece) point about the Pac 10 fans not travelling well, even to the Rose Bowl, is pretty valid. I think it cost Oregon a deserved shot at Miami for the national championship 2 yrs ago. The BCS picked Neb even though they didn't win a div of the Big 12. BCS officials knew Husker fans would make a weekend trip out of the game, while Duck fans would make it a turnaround trip just for the game.
 

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taoist i agree with you. And as a matter of fact, i have a good size bet already on AU -8 over G-Tech and nothing on USC -21.5

Although i am seriously considering betting USC BIG 1st half.
 
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