any thoughts and insights....???
what about philly...?
who's a pretender? who's a contender....?
say it in here.
what about philly...?
who's a pretender? who's a contender....?
say it in here.
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I say pretender is Carolina, in watching that game, I just don't see how that offense is going to win them a lot of games. There defense will sure keep them in a lot of games, I just think in the end offenses will figure out what thier doing on D and start to put up some points on them, then again what do I know. :shrug:
that the bears best chance of winning a game was thrown away last night!!!:thefinger :thefinger :thefinger
Great Thread
Great Thread
TV, I love this thread. Was thinking about starting it this week but glad you did
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I learned (knew) the Bears suck. With 3 ok players on the offensive and defensive side, they should be 1st - 3rd worst team in the NFL this year
Carolina still has a good defense. Like them as an Under everytime
Love those Bills, they play edgreat but the coach should be put on fire after a stupid call to go for it on 4th down in the first quarter on their 43 YL.
Didnt watch Arizona but scoring 0 points vs an ok defense like Seattle just blows.
Oakland is worst than I though. The Bungals played well but Oakland is weak this year. Their only hope if Gardnier and Gannon. They need some defense. They should have lost.
Jacksonville is pretty bad as well. Other than their running back and DL, they will be in the basement this year. Hopefully WR Smith will do something when he gets back.. But me thinks not.
Great thread.. Good luck to everyone next week.
Great Thread
TV, I love this thread. Was thinking about starting it this week but glad you did
. I learned (knew) the Bears suck. With 3 ok players on the offensive and defensive side, they should be 1st - 3rd worst team in the NFL this year
Carolina still has a good defense. Like them as an Under everytime
Love those Bills, they play edgreat but the coach should be put on fire after a stupid call to go for it on 4th down in the first quarter on their 43 YL.
Didnt watch Arizona but scoring 0 points vs an ok defense like Seattle just blows.
Oakland is worst than I though. The Bungals played well but Oakland is weak this year. Their only hope if Gardnier and Gannon. They need some defense. They should have lost.
Jacksonville is pretty bad as well. Other than their running back and DL, they will be in the basement this year. Hopefully WR Smith will do something when he gets back.. But me thinks not.
Great thread.. Good luck to everyone next week.
....that the eagles are 0-2 at their new stadium, as they were 7-1 last year at the vet....
dont knock it down just yet.
0-2 with 8 roadies left...giants might win the nfc east
dont knock it down just yet.
0-2 with 8 roadies left...giants might win the nfc east
I told my buddies at the beginning of the year, look out for Carolina. Not to win the Super Bowl but just to make it interesting week after week. I thought they would win 8 or 9 games and some people called me crazy. I still may be crazy but they are at least off to a good start.
Being a Dallas Cowboy fan (go ahead and laugh), I am certainly glad to see the Eagles struggle like they are, but if I were a Philly fan I wouldn't expect to see this all season.
Buffalo is for real. If they can play a little defense the rest of the season, I don't see why they can't contend.
NY Giants may have the best 5 skill positions in the league overall.I don't like Kerry Collins, but when you put Collins, Barber, Toomer, Hilliard, Shockey together it is hard to find a better group from top to bottom. There are better players at each position but as a group it is tough to beat.
My early prediction would be Buffalo and NY Giants in the Super Bowl. (But you know how predictions are, it only takes a couple of bad weeks to shoot them out of the water)
CM
Being a Dallas Cowboy fan (go ahead and laugh), I am certainly glad to see the Eagles struggle like they are, but if I were a Philly fan I wouldn't expect to see this all season.
Buffalo is for real. If they can play a little defense the rest of the season, I don't see why they can't contend.
NY Giants may have the best 5 skill positions in the league overall.I don't like Kerry Collins, but when you put Collins, Barber, Toomer, Hilliard, Shockey together it is hard to find a better group from top to bottom. There are better players at each position but as a group it is tough to beat.
My early prediction would be Buffalo and NY Giants in the Super Bowl. (But you know how predictions are, it only takes a couple of bad weeks to shoot them out of the water)
CM
From the games I watched, I observed the following:
Donovan McNabb better go back to Quarterback School. His fundementals were being questioned by the announcers. He looks like he's either on something, or he just doesn't give a sh*t. I've never seen such a terrible display of passing since Dick Shiner played his first game with the Steelers, back in 1968.
Donovan McNabb better go back to Quarterback School. His fundementals were being questioned by the announcers. He looks like he's either on something, or he just doesn't give a sh*t. I've never seen such a terrible display of passing since Dick Shiner played his first game with the Steelers, back in 1968.
the arizona cardinals will be lucky to win 2-3 games all year.
The Eagles MUST win at buffalo week 4, or they are done
The chargers may be in for a rough year
The Eagles MUST win at buffalo week 4, or they are done
The chargers may be in for a rough year
The holdout of the running back of Philly obviously has created some serious problems. Nobody on that team seems to be on the same page. The D has been devastated by injuries and free agency. McNabb has looked terrible in both games. I don't know if a bye week can help this club.
Seattle's D coordinator Ray Rhodes' has this unit playing very well. They have all the ingredients on O to go along way this year.
Buffalo is firing on all cylinders as well.
KC's OL is the best in the NFL. Their D only allowed 13 pts of Offense for Pitt. this week, who dominated Balt. a week ago. Only ? is Trent Green who likes to throw INT's.
Miami bounced back from thier humiliating loss to Houston, but I wasn't impressed with thier play against NYJ. They gave up alot of PY's to an over aged Vet. They will have to control the clock with Ricky to win this year, bc thier D is suspect. Contrary to popular belief.
Tampa Bay's loss of Jerevicious will hurt them more than people will give credit. He is a leader on offense and he blocks down field, something that Johnson won't do. 3 blocked fg's, go figure. These type of loss's are hard to swallow. We'll see how well they bounce back.
Arizona looks like a High School team. I don't know what Emmitt was thinking when he decided to play there.
Early Prediction sees KC and Buffalo in AFC Championship game barring no major injuries for either team.
NFC to tuff to call right now.
Seattle's D coordinator Ray Rhodes' has this unit playing very well. They have all the ingredients on O to go along way this year.
Buffalo is firing on all cylinders as well.
KC's OL is the best in the NFL. Their D only allowed 13 pts of Offense for Pitt. this week, who dominated Balt. a week ago. Only ? is Trent Green who likes to throw INT's.
Miami bounced back from thier humiliating loss to Houston, but I wasn't impressed with thier play against NYJ. They gave up alot of PY's to an over aged Vet. They will have to control the clock with Ricky to win this year, bc thier D is suspect. Contrary to popular belief.
Tampa Bay's loss of Jerevicious will hurt them more than people will give credit. He is a leader on offense and he blocks down field, something that Johnson won't do. 3 blocked fg's, go figure. These type of loss's are hard to swallow. We'll see how well they bounce back.
Arizona looks like a High School team. I don't know what Emmitt was thinking when he decided to play there.
Early Prediction sees KC and Buffalo in AFC Championship game barring no major injuries for either team.
NFC to tuff to call right now.
The main thing I learned (knew it before but it was hammered home yesterday) : When evaluating a game where the spread is about a TD, or more, concentrate less on the crap team in the game, and more on the favorite. What is their motivation to pummel the opponent? Are they the type of team that buries inferior opponents or toys with them? What kind of situation were they in last week (important/tough game, rivalry game, etc) and what is up next after this game? Lots of great examples of this yesterday.
Those who didn't get it done in this range:
Minny covered, but really shouldn't have, so I count them here. It's just that they were SO much better and bigger than the Bears they couldn't help but win and cover. But their offence really didn't give a damn about the game. Bigtime letdown from the Vikes after last week's big win. Getting away with a half-assed effort like this should only make them even softer next week.
Oakland should have won by a TD or more, and in the end was lucky to win at all. The Raiders have problems, but I don't believe they are quite THIS bad...yet. But they do have a history of blowing or playing close in the games they are expected to win easily.
Tampa Bay comes off a huge emotional tough MNF victory and lays an egg. No way the Bucs should lose at home to Carolina, but that's what happens when you aren't paying attention to who you are playing THIS week.
On the other side of the coin:
New Orleans woke up and laid it down on the Texans after a close first half. After getting nothing accomplished last week, they finally realized they were truly in jeopardy of going 0-2 and really digging themselves a hole and smartened up.
Green Bay comes out without 2 starting WR's, and off an embarassing home loss to the Vikes, and doesn't screw around in dismantling Detroit. Good example of a good team stepping it up after a poor performance. (And Detroit was also probably pretty happy with themselves after their effort last week, and thus came out soft. This is a team that isn't accustomed to winning.)
Not in the range of a TD favorite, but also noteable:
Seattle and Buffalo lay whippings on weaker opponents, AZ and Jax respectively. In both cases the winning sides are teams who are on the rise, and are going to reach out and grab every winnable game. No screwing around. Neither side let up even after building a comfortable lead.
Other noteable things:
* I bet that Cedrick Wilson (SF WR) remembers to go down the next time he catches a ball at the opponents' 20 yard line with :05 remaining in a tie game. That single play could cost the 49ers the division, or a playoff berth even. And it also breathes life into a St Louis team that would be seriously wounded starting the season 0-2. They may have just given StL a tie-breaker over them. Wouldn't that be something if SF missed the playoffs on head-to-head play vs StL. Unforgiveable error!! Thank god it didn't cost me any money.
* The Jets offence really does miss Chad Pennington. Where is Curtis Martin???
* Jamal Lewis, just one word: WOW.
* I'm not worried about Indy. That defence is going to be one of the 5 best in the league this year and will win them games instead of costing them games from now on. Indy's under-respected right now; good betting opportunities here for the next little while I think. Tennessee on the other hand may be a team in decline.
* Denver looks like a team doing everything they can to pull together and win despite their QB. What will happen when they play a real team?
* I still say Buffalo/KC in Week 8 could be the most entertaining game of the year!
Those who didn't get it done in this range:
Minny covered, but really shouldn't have, so I count them here. It's just that they were SO much better and bigger than the Bears they couldn't help but win and cover. But their offence really didn't give a damn about the game. Bigtime letdown from the Vikes after last week's big win. Getting away with a half-assed effort like this should only make them even softer next week.
Oakland should have won by a TD or more, and in the end was lucky to win at all. The Raiders have problems, but I don't believe they are quite THIS bad...yet. But they do have a history of blowing or playing close in the games they are expected to win easily.
Tampa Bay comes off a huge emotional tough MNF victory and lays an egg. No way the Bucs should lose at home to Carolina, but that's what happens when you aren't paying attention to who you are playing THIS week.
On the other side of the coin:
New Orleans woke up and laid it down on the Texans after a close first half. After getting nothing accomplished last week, they finally realized they were truly in jeopardy of going 0-2 and really digging themselves a hole and smartened up.
Green Bay comes out without 2 starting WR's, and off an embarassing home loss to the Vikes, and doesn't screw around in dismantling Detroit. Good example of a good team stepping it up after a poor performance. (And Detroit was also probably pretty happy with themselves after their effort last week, and thus came out soft. This is a team that isn't accustomed to winning.)
Not in the range of a TD favorite, but also noteable:
Seattle and Buffalo lay whippings on weaker opponents, AZ and Jax respectively. In both cases the winning sides are teams who are on the rise, and are going to reach out and grab every winnable game. No screwing around. Neither side let up even after building a comfortable lead.
Other noteable things:
* I bet that Cedrick Wilson (SF WR) remembers to go down the next time he catches a ball at the opponents' 20 yard line with :05 remaining in a tie game. That single play could cost the 49ers the division, or a playoff berth even. And it also breathes life into a St Louis team that would be seriously wounded starting the season 0-2. They may have just given StL a tie-breaker over them. Wouldn't that be something if SF missed the playoffs on head-to-head play vs StL. Unforgiveable error!! Thank god it didn't cost me any money.
* The Jets offence really does miss Chad Pennington. Where is Curtis Martin???
* Jamal Lewis, just one word: WOW.
* I'm not worried about Indy. That defence is going to be one of the 5 best in the league this year and will win them games instead of costing them games from now on. Indy's under-respected right now; good betting opportunities here for the next little while I think. Tennessee on the other hand may be a team in decline.
* Denver looks like a team doing everything they can to pull together and win despite their QB. What will happen when they play a real team?
* I still say Buffalo/KC in Week 8 could be the most entertaining game of the year!
I learned that the Chargers need a new defensive philosophy and they have no passion, no leadership and no way to stop an offense.
