Contrarian handicapping

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I just posted this column on my page. Figured I'd post it here as well. Enjoy.

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by Nick Douglas
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Fact: A large percentage of sports gamblers lose money. Fact: Many of these sports gamblers post their picks on message boards or are part of consensus reports. Fact: Betting against these losing gamblers or consensus reports is a good way to handicap. Or maybe not.

It is a maddening part of handicapping. As a seasoned handicapper it is common knowledge that sportsbooks are raking in money from square gamblers. Knowing this fact and knowing many of the plays that these losing gamblers are betting, there just has to be a way to skim some of those profits off the top of the sportsbooks. There is, but it?s probably not by straight contrarian handicapping.

Novice handicappers do lose a lot of money, but they aren?t necessarily bad at picking games. Novice handicappers tend to beat themselves. They go ?on tilt?, as poker players say, and lose control of their money management. It is this malady -- betting too much money on make-up games -- that ends up resulting in sportsbook profits most of the time. In fact it is quite common to find players who win over 50% of their games but lose every penny they fund to sportsbooks.

Fading consensus reports and losing handicappers is not only a suspect long term strategy, but it can become severely damaging to a person?s own handicapping. Reading consensus reports or fade-worthy posts before handicapping often gives a distorted view of a play. If a handicapper knows that a square handicapper is betting one way, every bit of research that turns up a reason to bet the opposite way will become that much stronger. A play that might have otherwise been too soft to make a wager on could end up being played because of this askew view. Likewise, a consensus report or a novice gambler backing the same play that a handicapper is backing can often lead to one sloughing off a quality play. Research done through methods proven to produce long term profits may be thrown away, and for what? Because some square just happened to find an acorn on that day? Remember the principle of opportunity cost: Money not earned is the same thing as money lost.

If every player hits 50% of their plays, sportsbooks will eventually win everything and players will eventually lose everything. Assuming the line is -110, that same principle applies all the way up to players hitting 52% of their plays. To find a truly valuable fade, plays must come in at about 46% or less. That leaves a startling 8% gap between losses and wins. Even truly terrible handicappers will rarely fall at or below these numbers when figuring raw percentages.

This is not to say that contrarian handicapping is truly worthless. Only that it must be balanced with raw research. Contrarian handicapping probably works best with the specific combination of watching line movement. Often times certain novices or consensus reports can be good indications of where money is flowing. When line movement at certain sportsbooks matches up in a certain way with said novices, a fade could be in order. Truly profiting from this idea requires an extensive time commitment and the knowledge of how to read line movement. It must also be noted that more money is probably lost on watching line movement than any other handicapping method. One must be extremely sharp because there are so many other line watchers out there competing for the precious few soft numbers.

As with any other use of the information posted on Mad Jack?s, contrarian handicapping of unsuccessful gamblers and consensus reports must be carefully sifted through. Successful handicapping is not a lazy man?s game. Simply identifying poor gamblers and fading them will likely result in long term losses. For no matter how stupid certain segments of the gambling public appear to be, it is money management that usually kills their bankroll, not the inability to pick games.
 

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With only 5% to 8% of gamblers going to show a proffit. And with same % going to pick more right then wrong. Why cant it work. Do you read how many folks say what a rotten weekend they had. Happans all the time here. Or that's it im done for the year. Or thats it im done for good. And then those who say everything is great. But do you ever see a record form many of them. There are just afew reasons contrarian can be and should be part of your capping. There once was a service where the guy said what ever I say go the other way. I do not remember name and it some time back. But he really was bad and you would win going against him. He would bragg about his 43% winning percentag.
It's so funny with the montering services to. They seem to make sure they have enough catagories to show as many winners as possiable. With out something to bragg about most service on a regluar play bases would show no winning %. I mean some are bad. Look at even the call in service that get posted here every week. The North Cost and Fiest and on and on. Chart em guys you will find most suck.
 

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Shit, betting football on these prime time games are EASY

last 3: favorite and over EASY

no brainers!

Southern Miss, New Orleans and The Bears were all no chance plays, slam dunk losers that I had

sucks that Joe Public and Captain Obvious are cleaning up this year..
 

Nick Douglas

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Scott,

Please stay out of my threads.

djv,

They suck, but I don't think they suck bad enough to turn a good profit playing strictly contrarian. The juice just eats you up.

The points you make about people saying what a horrible day they are having or that they are giving up are generally the result of poor money management. Heck, you know that. Usually it is someone who lost his whole bankroll betting too large. You rarely, if ever, see folks who stick to similar wager amounts make posts like that.

My point is, maybe only 1% of gamblers will show a long term profit, but it isn't because the other 99% can't pick games. It is because they beat themselves by managing their wager amounts poorly. That is my point. If you knew exactly what they were playing and how much they were playing it for, you could probably wager the exact amount against them and end up winning. But you only know their *picks*, which isn't where their problem lies.
 
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Nick- agree with your article 100%- I'll add a few things:

- As much as contrarians fade either consensus or a select group of individuals, it is also important to follow those that do win over the long haul. I find the strongest plays are when you see a clear divergence between the two, with each groups' net backing opposing sides.

- The losers do win sometimes- however there are key points in each season of different sports when the losers struggle more than others- you have to pick your spots as a contrarian. I have all sorts of theories on this- it's almost a micro-economic examination.

- Line movement- agree it is an inexact science but there are certain keys to look for when combined with knowledge of where the money's at. Just like a poker game- some books have 'tells'

All that said, you have to have experience in this game- there are no short-cuts and you have to dedicate the time to this type of investing to be successful long-term.
 

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Fading the public can be tough

Fading the public can be tough

It's been my experience, that bad cappers, and/or the public, usually hit streaks. Good or bad. You can't sit there and fade them all the time because you'll be wrecked by one streak.

EX: last years NBA playoffs.

I followed posts and consensus reports and the public rolled through the entire playoffs. My mistake was not taking into account that the better teams usually win and cover through the playoffs. Public did very well.

EX: This weekends past Sunday night and Monday night games. Public nailed both. I think last Monday was candy as well. Playing the fav and the over in these highly pumped up media games will surely get you killed in the long run. I thought public would get buried in the Bears/Packers game. Not. Public, as someone posted above, is all primed to play the easy fav and the over now. We'll see were that goes.

Favs have been hitting very strong through the NFL of late, particularly big games. I'll be waiting with open arms when the worm turns, as long as I have good data on my side also. Even then, you can still lose. ;)
 

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Interesting points, Nick. IMHO, one can be much more successful in fading the public in ML wagering than Point-spread wagering, like MLB and NHL, since the public tends to pick the overwhelming favs. Thus in fading the public and getting +return, you really only need to hit 40-45% to break even. Anything more than that, is GRAVY:D
 

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Nick I agree as to fading all the time can be a risk. I would not do that either. But certain folks just seem to have no luck. Or a caper that is generally poor gets hot. You know back to earth is coming soon. I just like to check these things and tract them. I like every little edge I might fined.
 

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Excellent point, ddubs. I definitely believe that contrarian play is far more effective betting runlines. I still would not give it a strong recommendation, but I think it is a far better way to go than trying it in spread sports.
 

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several years ago i took action from several guys. nothing big and i capped their bets to a certain dollar amount. for 2-3 years striaght one guy was horrible. he could lay the smallest amount allowed on every game and lose his a$$. fading is risky. but if you find the right idiot you can score big.:)
 

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I went and did a little hard, mathematical analysis using data from baseball season. This data is from a service. The service is run by a good handicapper who used to post at Mad Jack's regularly. He got a lot of flack in these forums for his poor record during baseball season. I am using his example because he plays the same amount on every play so it fits the results we are trying to find on straight won/loss record rather than money management.

Posting mostly 1 unit plays (always laying juice) and a small number of 2 unit plays, his current MLB record stands at 233-228, -20.35 units. I think we could all agree that being down over 20 units betting 1 unit per play constitutes a pretty severe down cycle. Outside of myself, there aren't too many other handicappers who posted such poor results if their plays would have been graded out at 1 unit per play.

Since this handicapper lays juice on his favorites, I put the average risk per play at 1.20 units. That number could even be high because every dog is only going to be a 1.00 unit risk and most totals will be below that number. Still, I wanted to leave plenty of room for error so I chose an average risk amount on the high side.

Given that he risks an average of 1.20 units per play and he played 461 plays, that is a total exposure for the season of 553.2 units. With a total loss of 20.35 units, that leaves a Return on Investment of 96.3%, meaning that 3.7% of every dollar wagered was lost.

Given that the break even point for a 233-228 record is a line of -102 on average for every play, we can multiply the odds for -102 (1.97) by this handicapper's ROI (0.963) to get a number of 1.90, or odds of -110.

If this handicapper was wagering at average odds of -110, that means fading him at a book with dime lines would give you +100 per play on sides and -110 per play on totals and runlines. Knowing that your record in fading him would have been 228-233, you can easily calculate that your average line on these bets to break even would have had to have been +102. Now, this handicapper no longer posts a breakdown of the number of side bets and total bets, but no matter how high the percentage of side bets (avg +100) were compared to the totals bets (avg -110), neither price is good enough to reach the break even point of a +102 line for a 228-233 record.

The conclusion of all of this analysis is that a fade of this handicapper, who likely had the worst season he's ever had and will probably never experience a season-long down cycle like this again, would still have resulted in a rather significant season-long loss.

My point is that even on a moneyline sport like baseball that serves a dime line, fading is risky business. Overcoming the juice is hard enough and most handicappers, even though they lose plenty of money, lose that money by managing their money poorly rather than being unable to pick games.
 

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THIS ALLTO MCUH THINK JUST PIC WINNER DON MAKE MORE COMICATED THAN HAVE BE JUST PIC THAN LAFF TO THE BANK
 

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Nick Douglas said:
I went and did a little hard, mathematical analysis using data from baseball season. This data is from a service. The service is run by a good handicapper who used to post at Mad Jack's regularly. He got a lot of flack in these forums for his poor record during baseball season. I am using his example because he plays the same amount on every play so it fits the results we are trying to find on straight won/loss record rather than money management.

Posting mostly 1 unit plays (always laying juice) and a small number of 2 unit plays, his current MLB record stands at 233-228, -20.35 units. I think we could all agree that being down over 20 units betting 1 unit per play constitutes a pretty severe down cycle. Outside of myself, there aren't too many other handicappers who posted such poor results if their plays would have been graded out at 1 unit per play.

Since this handicapper lays juice on his favorites, I put the average risk per play at 1.20 units. That number could even be high because every dog is only going to be a 1.00 unit risk and most totals will be below that number. Still, I wanted to leave plenty of room for error so I chose an average risk amount on the high side.

Given that he risks an average of 1.20 units per play and he played 461 plays, that is a total exposure for the season of 553.2 units. With a total loss of 20.35 units, that leaves a Return on Investment of 96.3%, meaning that 3.7% of every dollar wagered was lost.

Given that the break even point for a 233-228 record is a line of -102 on average for every play, we can multiply the odds for -102 (1.97) by this handicapper's ROI (0.963) to get a number of 1.90, or odds of -110.

If this handicapper was wagering at average odds of -110, that means fading him at a book with dime lines would give you +100 per play on sides and -110 per play on totals and runlines. Knowing that your record in fading him would have been 228-233, you can easily calculate that your average line on these bets to break even would have had to have been +102. Now, this handicapper no longer posts a breakdown of the number of side bets and total bets, but no matter how high the percentage of side bets (avg +100) were compared to the totals bets (avg -110), neither price is good enough to reach the break even point of a +102 line for a 228-233 record.

The conclusion of all of this analysis is that a fade of this handicapper, who likely had the worst season he's ever had and will probably never experience a season-long down cycle like this again, would still have resulted in a rather significant season-long loss.

My point is that even on a moneyline sport like baseball that serves a dime line, fading is risky business. Overcoming the juice is hard enough and most handicappers, even though they lose plenty of money, lose that money by managing their money poorly rather than being unable to pick games.

Excellent analysis Nick!

:)
 

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Nick I don't think you mentioned this part. Some one had to pay that person 100 or 200 amonth just to lose that money. I cant tell you the number of folks that pay a service and do not include the payment in there M/M.
 

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u know exactly how I feel about this, brutha ;)

A golden fade is better than a guy who hits 60% any day. Saw a guy on this very site who posted how the Steelers would run away with the game last night and to lay the -7 for easy money. I went straight to my sportsbook and put another 150 on the Browns.

Hard to find a good fade though as most stop posting after they lose. Personally, I haven't had as good a fortune this year going anti-consensus in college football. Did it the first week and have just been observing since.
 
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