Jack....how many of your sponsors kick people out??

[kickserv]

Jack, not trying to be a prick.......but I was shocked to see what BestLine did.......I know that it's their business and they can do what they want.........but I was just curious if any other madjack sponsors do this :shrug:

I myself am very happy with Gameday and CRIS and I just assumed all your sponsors act the same way these quality books do..........so that's why I ask this question:

Do any of your sponsors kick people out for winning :shrug:


http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115196



If you want to delete this thread I understand.......I don't want to cause a bunch of crap.....I just would like to know that's all......because for me personally I would never open an account with a book that did what BestLine did.

 

[SmashMouth]

Guaratee Jack will throw this Clown Out if it is true. They seem to be a joke.

 

[rc conditioner]

after reading this I will never get an account with bestline.

they remind me of S.I.A.:thefinger

 

[bjfinste]

There's been lots of stories of Gameday throwing big winners out, and if I'm not mistaken their management has admitted to doing so. However, in every case, the player was paid fully and promptly before being told not to play there. Similar to a Vegas casino asking someone to leave that has won a boatload in blackjack.

 

[ND2002HORNS]

Bump

 

[Nick Douglas]

Now this is really getting rediculous. The bettor in question was paid back his initial deposit ($2500) plus the winnings on the bet he made with that deposit ($2272.72). Best Line stole the $727 he won playing his $750 free play (with free play bonuses you only keep winnings).

Gameday has thrown winners out, and I guarantee if you are a sharp player, you will not receive one red cent in bonuses with Gameday. Pinnacle throws winners out of their square lines and forces them to bet a different "sharp" line with no reduced juice. Sharp players also won't receive bonuses at CRIS or just about any other top of the line book that offers bonuses to their square clientele.

The problem here, which most of the people commenting on this issue seem to be forgetting, is that this player made his wager almost 24 hours in advance of the game and Best Line waited until after his wager won to confiscate his bonus. If they really didn't want his allegedly sharp action, they could have refunded his initial deposit any time in those 24 hours and let him bet the game elsewhere. The bottom line is that he would not have played at Best Line had he not been offered the 30% free play, so Best Line should not have the right to take the winnings from that 30% free play away after the outcome of his wager is known.

 

[kickserv]

well Nick....hate to say it....but your missing the point (not totally missing the point, but off a bit nonetheless!!).........they kicked him out after one bet because he won, that's point #1.........point #2....he got screwed on the bonus.........why because they agreed to pay him the bonus......and they renegged......and point #3.......he had to pay fees on his withdrawl, they kicked him out so he couldn't wait the so called "21 days" for his withdrawl.



as for other books kicking you out..........I appreciate your input......had no idea......I never have to worry about getting kicked out because I don't bet very much........I could win 100 straight bets and they would still care less


well guess I should rephrase my question then:

does any madjack sponsor NOT kick you out




and finally............I"m also sick of the words "sharp action"...how the hell can you say "sharp action" when the guy makes ONE FRIGGEN BET....................and then there's that whole "playing steam" garbage........I mean please

 

[chickenman]

I will never bet Bestline and will tell everyone I know NOT to go with Bestline.



:thefinger

CM

 

[kickserv]

you won't be the only one chickenman......that's for sure

 

[kickserv]

and maybe NIck knows this...........but:


as stated above Gameday has thrown people out......so exactly how much does one have to win to be thrown out :shrug:



and Jack can you confirm what Nick said:

"Pinnacle throws winners out of their square lines and forces them to bet a different "sharp" line with no reduced juice"


I mean is that true :shrug:

 

[ND2002HORNS]

Nick,

Your problem is that you think you are always right! You come into people's threads and tell them how they should manage their accounts and then say but it is up to you what you do with your money. You patronize people over and over. Funny thing is you are the one person on here I would never listen to. I know many people on here who have spoke to me about your ways and I am just fed up with your ways. You have an invested interest with this site. You are not being objective. :shrug:

HORNS

 

[kickserv]

Horns........holy crap........we agree on something

 

[Nick Douglas]

kickserv,

Since you numbered them, I'll address your points by number.

1) He made one bet, but he is what Best Line considers a sharp player. There are a lot of books in Costa Rica and it is not hard for one bookmaker to call around and inquire about someone if their playing style raises a red flag. The red flag was raised because the guy made a deposit for $2500, wagered his entire deposit and won, and then withdrew $2900+ immediately afterwards. People who do that and then don't bet a single game on an NFL Sunday will get booted from square books.

2) I get point number two. I've agreed with it all along and if you read my posts in these two threads you'll see that I've maintained that Best Line stole $727 from this person the entire time.

3) He requested the withdrawl for $2900+, that is what the fees were for. I don't know if they charged him again for a withdrawl when they paid out his account, but the original withdrawl fee was because he requested to take out everything except his $2500 initial deposit (as it was his right to do under Best Line's written rules).

As far as the amount it takes to get booted, you'd have to ask someone with experience in getting booted. I know a decent amount about offshore bookmaking but I'd hardly call myself an expert. I have been told that hitting a book like Pinnacle for as little as 10 dimes will get you booted off the free juice and onto a traditional line. I have also heard that even the squarest book imaginable, Sportsinteraction, has let certain players who don't follow steam run up as much as 20 dimes plus without booting them.

A general rule is that steam players are going to get booted faster. Another, more important, general rule, is that you and I are in no danger of getting booted.

I wrote this in the other thread and I feel I should write it here. People really are missing out on a good book if they swear off Best Line forever just because of this little incident. They offer a good bonus, they pay out for free once a month and they give you reduced juice on sides and totals. What's not to like? I won't consider opening an account there right now on principle due to them stealing this bettor's bonus, but time heals all wounds so I won't rule them out in the future.

 

[ND2002HORNS]

ks - I agree with you 100% on your points you stated. I talked with several MJers that are in regulars in the Penalty Box on msn tonight and they all agree with me about Nick and his ways.

HORNS

 

[kickserv]

well Nick....appreciate the response.......


but I will make this short and sweet...........this is not a LITTLE incident.......hate to see what you'd call a big incident!!!


and............the "steam" thing..........well ya know my feelings on that.........


and dam.......win 10 000 at Pinnacle and your in trouble....man that's shocking.......wow

 

[kickserv]

and I'm sure I'm not the only one.......but I can't wait to see what Jack has to say to all of this..............


oh and Jack.......sorry if I caused crap.......I do apologize for all the questions......delete them if you like...I understand

 

[ND2002HORNS]

:lol: :lol:

ks - right on the money again!

HORNS

 

[Nick Douglas]

Horns,

First of all, it is "vested" interest, not "invested" interest.

Secondly, I don't have a vested interest in this site at all. Jack lets me have a free picks page but I don't get paid a damn dime for it. I am being objective on this issue and if you actually read what I've written, you'd see that I have maintained the entire time that Best Line stole $727 from this bettor and that they should pay up.

Thirdly, I only give advice because I am trying to help people. I am grateful to the people from Mad Jack's who have given me advice so I think that others might want advice from me if they are struggling. There are a lot of nefarious people on this site who do things like post imaginary lines with their plays, post plays that they are not playing themselves and fudge their record to make themselves look like a stronger gambler than they really are. Sometimes people might get suckered in by these things so if I am able to help those who might not know any better, I try to do that.

I won't address whether I think I know everything because I believe one thing and you obviously believe another, so there's no point in arguing it. What I will say is that many people who have posted in these two threads don't understand what Best Line was trying to say so I was trying to help them understand that booting players is not an uncommon practice, especially if those players follow steam or are sharp players.

 

[ND2002HORNS]

Nick - I understand that you have not swayed from the $727, that is cool. But the steam play stuff, etc.... in my mind is a crock.
As for the vested interest, I really thought you got something in return especially after reading all the stuff yesterday about Jack and Raymond and stuff. The way I see it is that none of us will ever know what really goes on here with this site. It seems there will always be stuff that goes on that none of us will ever know. It will be hard to believe anything on here anymore.
I will take your word that you don't get a cent for the page!

Thanks for the response.

HORNS

 

[Nick Douglas]

Kickserv,

To me, a little incident is something that doesn't really affect the type of people who play at Mad Jack's. What it boils down to is that a sharp player had $727 in bonus winnings stolen from him. Most likely this player's modus operandi is that he scopes out books that offer large bonuses, he places one large bet on one side of a game there and another large bet on the other side of the game at another book where he is already funded and he skims the bonus off the top. Using this player's example:

Deposit $2500 at Best Line and $2900 at Book X.

Bet 3250/2954 on one side at Best Line and 2900/2636 at Book X.

If you win at Book X, you now have 5536 from 5400 in deposits (136 in free money). If you win at Best Line, you withdraw 2954 in winnings (giving you 54 in free money) and you still have your original 2500 deposit in Best Line to play with.

EDIT: I forgot to add that with reduced juice being so common nowadays, you can easily get 2710 back on that 2900 bet at -107, making this plan all the more inviting.

This may very well not be what the player was trying, but whether he was or not, he obviously is known to sportsbook managers. I would say almost none of us Madjackers are known to sportsbook managers as a threat so that means that this is an incident that realistically isn't going to affect us if we were to play at Best Line.

A major incident would be something that would affect all of us. Slow pays, no pays, odds rigging, hidden policies that hurt the average player, etc. For example, Infinity's policy that if a player wagers both sides of a game all *winning* wagers on that game are cancelled would be a major incident to me. If you want to just do something like hedge a parlay or even if you just accidentally bet the wrong side and want to buy it back, Infinity's policy could result in the book allowing the losing side to stand while cancelling the winning wager. That is something major in my opinion because it could easily affect any of us.