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Manny placed on waivers: Any team claiming slugger would have to absorb salary

Just two days after dumping their manager, the Red Sox [stats, schedule] last night tried to reshape their team even more drastically.

Now they're trying to rid themselves of superstar Manny Ramirez.

In a bold and shocking move designed to restructure their top-heavy payroll, the Red Sox placed Ramirez and his hefty contract on irrevocable waivers.

The move is not guaranteed to work, but the Red Sox would be ecstatic if another team - and this probably includes only the moneybag Yankees - decides before tomorrow night at midnight to pick up the remaining $100 million-plus remaining in Ramirez' massive contract, which runs for another five seasons and includes two options for 2009 and 2010.

If no team bites, Ramirez, 30, will remain a Red Sox, but the club will no longer be able to privately conceal its extreme reluctance to devote so much of its $100 million payroll to a ballplayer who it feels is gifted in one area - hitting a baseball about as well as anyone can - and about nowhere else.

The Red Sox grew fed up with Ramirez' defense and his man-child moments of inattention and immaturity this season, and the team clearly is positioning itself for greater payroll flexibility this winter, as it faces several critical decisions on players signed through next season only. Long-term contract decisions on Pedro Martinez [stats, news], Nomar Garciaparra [stats, news], Jason Varitek [stats, news], Derek Lowe [stats, news] and Trot Nixon [stats, news], for starters, await and with Ramirez acting as a drag on the club's checkbook, the club obviously values payroll flexibility above Ramirez' ability to consistently and reliably hit about 35 to 40 home runs with 100-plus RBI.

Ramirez batted .325 last season, finishing one point behind teammate Bill Mueller [stats, news] for the batting title, and belted 37 homers with 104 RBI.

About the only team capable of swallowing such a deal is the Yankees, whose brain trust last night had already gathered in Tampa, Fla., so that owner George Steinbrenner could help them absorb their six-game loss to the Marlins in the World Series.

This move will put immediate and obvious pressure on the Yankees to decide if Ramirez, who grew up in Washington Heights, Manhattan, would be worth the risk. Ramirez has expressed his admiration for the Yankees before. The Yankees have an obvious hole to fill in their lineup and in right field, and for many reasons, Ramirez fits their needs, especially since their offense was found to be so lacking in the Fall Classic.

Steinbrenner is a difficult employer to predict. His, or the Yankees', decision on whether or not to pick up Ramirez will be fascinating.

Irrevocable waivers mean the club cannot pull the player back if another claims him. Players are sometimes placed on revocable waivers in order to gauge trade interest. If a team claims him, the waiving team can pull him back.

The reverberations of this move will be felt throughout baseball, as the Red Sox are signaling that they have lost all patience with Ramirez and need to make the most dramatic, if not the most obvious, move they can to increase their ability to wheel and deal this winter.

If the Red Sox are able to unload Ramirez on the Yankees or some other suddenly flush-feeling team, they will have that much more ability to go out and get another starting pitcher, another quality reliever or two and strengthen their defense as well.

If the Red Sox cannot unload Ramirez, they could still try to trade him and be forced to swallow a great deal of the remaining contract, an option the club would not be thrilled about. That is why they went yesterday's route, trying to cut their ties with Ramirez completely and swiftly.

If they still cannot trade Ramirez, the 2004 spring training promises to be more entertaining than usual as Ramirez reports to a ballclub that has sent a none-too-subtle message that he no longer is wanted.

Ramirez lost much of the confidence of the front office after his get-together with the Yankees' Enrique Wilson at the Ritz in late August, when Ramirez was supposed to be recuperating from pharyngitis. Ramirez missed his doctor's appointment the next morning and when the club played a tight ballgame in Philadelphia shortly after and Ramirez said he could not pinch hit, that set in motion his unofficial benching by then-manager Grady Little.

Ramirez, signed by former general manager Dan Duquette in December of 2000, is due $20.5 million in 2004, $20 million in 2005, $19 million in 2006, $18 million in 2007, $20 million in 2008. He will also make $4 million a year in deferred, no-interest salary between this coming season and 2010, plus he has $10 million remaining from his $16 million signing bonus still coming.

He made a $100,000 bonus yesterday for being named a Silver Slugger.

His club options for 2009 and 2010 are each worth $20 million.
 

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lET'S HOPE SOME TEAM IS DUMB ENOUGH TO TAKE HIM OFF OUR HANDS. Get rid of his salary and sign either Colon, petite(sp) Millwood. Find out if Nomar is going to resign after next year, if not offer trade him to SD, angels or dodgers. LA decided not to pick up Jordans 10.5 Million option, Manny can play in LA, he's much better than Jordan and they have the $$$$.

Or if nomar isn't going to sign trade him to LA for Driefort and a prospect, or to SD for either Pevy, eaton or lawrence( all pitchers)

If someone takes manny they have to sign someone else to replace some of his numbers and sign Nomar.

Here's my Pitching Staff wish list:

1. Pedro
2. Colon or petite
3. Lowe
4. Wakefield
5. Arroyo
6. Williamson
7. Timlin
8. Embree


Need 2 more

Sox need to go for it this year w/all the contracts coming due @ the end of the year.

Mugs let me know what moves you would like to see

GL
 

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If I was the Yankees I would take Manny and play him in right field, put Sorriano in centre and keep Matsui in left. However, I would much prefer that the Yankees picked up Bostons second base man (name escapes me) as although he makes as many errors in that position as Sorriano, his plate awareness is much better and rarely does he give his out away.

Skulldog, as much as I don't want to go against your wishes, I cannot see Pettitte moving to Boston. I would say he is 80% certain to stay at new York as he would pick up a considerable bit of Clemans left payroll and if he did choose to leave then surely his move would be closer to home. Texas springs to mind, although that would be a giant leap backwards.

Off season is going to be fun this year, lots of changes, especially from both Yankees and Redsox.
 

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BB, I'd love to have Pettitte, but I don't think he's going anywhere, if he does, tex, hou. Walker is the sox 2nd baseman and I don't think their going to sign him. I'd love for the tanks to take manny, but they already said no thanks, mets?

I think he'll stay for now, but don't rule out a trade later on w/the sox eating a portion of his $$$$.

GL
 

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i understand the money savings perspective...

but some things that is lost in all this are simply

1.) no way anyone would claim him off waivers....SOX had to know this and if they didnt then this mng. team is more clueless than i previously thought....now tell me what you do with him??????????????...you thought he was mentally lax before...LOL...wait until next season....knowing his team tried to get rid of him

2.) now if you try to trade him.....this would have been the most logical route IMO....you dont embarass him..just in case you dont get any takers....and ultimately its the only way you are going to get rid of him....regardless if he was put on waivers or not...and if they do trade him they will have to eat a lot of his salary

3.) i said this when this team ownership team came aboard...just wait and see how they will nickel and dime this franchise and thier fans....it started last season and it will get much much worse....it is all about savings and profit with these guys...

4.) and how about the fact that he is by far and away your best offensive player on a consistent basis.....no doubt that a lot of sox players had fantastic offensive years...but a lot of them were also career years...that simply will not happen again with most of these guys...you can always count on this guy to hit in the 315-330 range ...hit 35-45 homers ...and around 120 rbi's ...how many players can the sox say that about...


like i said i understand the salary aspect ...and the argument he simply is not worth the money...i just really think they went about this in the wrong way...by putting him on waivers i really think they have absolutely NO choice but to trade him...and other teams will use that to thier advantage....

just my opinion..

cooz
 

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cooz

Manny asked out of Boston, that's why they did it...

This waiver process is supposed to be a secret, not even the player is supposed to know, only the teams. but it was leaked to the papers ( probably by the Yankees)...
 

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I really dont think the Yankee's would be interested in Manny, although he would hit a ton he would not be a good chemistry fit in the clubhouse.
 
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