Mr President. Iraq Im Sorry?
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StevieD/AR182 I may even revote for Bush. I know many here would say I did not. But that is the nice thing about being independent. However I may vote for the man on the street this time. If Bush does not wake up that Rummy is one dumb nut. And by now since we never see our VP. He is either sick or cooking up another crooked deal. Get rid of both. Dam there both old and think like 15/20 years ago. There has to be some better folks then that in the republican party. And we dam sure need some new ideas with this type of war. Airplanes and Tanks are not the answer. Hi tech smart quick ranger teams and a lot of them. As for standing around in Iraq most are folks have become policeman. Chit we can send in troops from 20 other nations at 5000 a piece can do that chit and get shot at everyday. Heck we could bring home 100000 of our folks. And nothing would change it just stay the same. I will wait a few more years to see if we stopped terroist attacks here at home because we went to Iraq.
These guys wait for the big one. They showen that before. We better get more cash rounded up to make our home land a lot safer.
These guys wait for the big one. They showen that before. We better get more cash rounded up to make our home land a lot safer.
This past week they had pretty significant anti war demo in DC.
while there was media coverage of it's anticipation I was quite perplexed when I could find no coverage or film footage on the actual demo.
Just found out why. Anyone venture a guess!
while there was media coverage of it's anticipation I was quite perplexed when I could find no coverage or film footage on the actual demo.
Just found out why. Anyone venture a guess!
Im guessing someone told the media the wrong time. I saw three people with signs. They had a bigger show in Detroit where the debate was the other night. They said couple thousand. I didn't see that many. But most those signs were about needing jobs and healthcare for everyone. Didn't see to many on the war. That by all rights should not start to at least a year or two has gone by. And it will then. But this is differant then Nam. We were told to come and help in nam. Well at least that's what we were given. Iraq I cant remember anyone asking us to come or even invite us. But then again Iraq was getting there big bomb ready to drop on us. So we had to stop them. I know we never found anything but hey like I said about Nam. Somehow they keep fooling us and it dont matter what party. Mean while our money is going up in smoke. The R's are getting better at blowing the cash then the D's. and that somethng I thought I would never see.
DTB for Pres, Ill Back you up as VP. We cant do any worse.
DTB for Pres, Ill Back you up as VP. We cant do any worse.
Nope Heres the scoop. Didn't want to put it up till I found it in print. Also had guy on loudspeaker chanting F-Bush.F-the war ect.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93080,00.html
The libs better disassociate themselves from this outfit or we'll have a 1 party gov which would be terrible. I did see at another source that I can no longer find in their defense that the U.S. libs were not at all aware of was going down and media was tipped just prior,and those that weren't tipped and aired live just shot the less obsene ongoings.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93080,00.html
The libs better disassociate themselves from this outfit or we'll have a 1 party gov which would be terrible. I did see at another source that I can no longer find in their defense that the U.S. libs were not at all aware of was going down and media was tipped just prior,and those that weren't tipped and aired live just shot the less obsene ongoings.
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Dems better start explaining how they will get us out of this mess rather than argue about how we got there. First person with a viable exit plan wins. Bush is running out of time and lies. When he declared the end of Major Hostilities he didn't say "Now we will see the deaths of our service men increase."
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StevieD for Secretary of State. We got three. Were going to need a good fund raiser chairman.
World Workers Party who? A bunch of skin heads? Never heard of this bunch thank god. Just think they had mothers dads.
World Workers Party who? A bunch of skin heads? Never heard of this bunch thank god. Just think they had mothers dads.
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The cover of Newsweek has a picture of George Bush. The headline reads "Bush's $87 Billion Mess." The words "Waste, Chaos and Cronyism" can also be found. Brent Bozell of the Media Research Center wants you to go every Newsweek from the eight years of Clinton and see if you can find the words "mess" or "cronyism" next to a picture of Clinton. Yup, there is no liberal bias in the media.
Bush's 'Mess,' Clinton's Free Pass
Brent Bozell (archive)
October 29, 2003
The cover of Newsweek screams from the mailbox and the magazine rack: "BUSH'S $87 BILLION MESS." In case that rhetorical punch isn't strong enough, it adds the promise of uncovering "Waste, Chaos and Cronyism." Today's task for deniers of liberal media bias is set. Please find a Newsweek from the Clinton era with the words "mess" or "cronyism" next to a picture of that president.
Since the Clinton foreign policy team rarely risked top-of-the-news foreign policy initiatives (and certainly never wanted to risk an American casualty), the typical foreign-policy cover story of the second Clinton term read: "Mad About Madeleine: Washington Loves Her. Will the Rest of the World?" Team Clinton's infamous diplomacy-for-donors schedule of foreign trips and its shameless milking of foreign donors for campaign soft money, including cocaine kings and Beijing-connected "businessmen," were never newsworthy enough to be considered cover-story material, apparently, and never mind a "mess."
"Clinton" and "mess" didn't even merge on the Newsweek cover when he made a hash of his presidency with the Monica Lewinsky mess. Instead, the "news" magazine employed headlines like "The Secret Sex Wars." Or, after the April 1998 dismissal of the Paula Jones case, the cover announced: "Clinton Wins a Big One. Now It's Starr's Turn to PUT UP OR SHUT UP." In case you weren't sure how Newsweek felt about Clinton and his opponents, the first edition after the Republicans flopped in the 1998 midterms carried a photo of Newt Gingrich and just these words, bold and taunting: "THE LOSER."
President Clinton could have faced tough questions and embarrassment in October of 2000, after two terrorists in a tiny boat blew up the U.S.S. Cole in Yemen, killing 17 sailors. But Newsweek's cover read simply "Target America." Inside, Jonathan Alter had no tough words about a Clinton "mess," that a great power could be so humiliated by a small band of thugs, the way reporters now view the Fedayeen insurgency. He made excuses: "Clinton was no doubt making contingency plans for retaliation" -- which did not materialize. In another story, the magazine sympathetically recounted how Clinton noted the irony to aides that Americans would now have to experience "the same anger, frustration and powerlessness felt by those in the Middle East." There's a campaign slogan for you: Vote for The New Powerlessness.
Now, President Bush has risked his entire political career and dared to endure American casualties overthrowing Saddam Hussein, one of the world's most savage dictators, a tyrant who mocked the entire international community and its half-hearted statements on behalf of peace and non-proliferation, and what does he get? Reporters blowing horns about a "mess" they hope will turn him out of office.
Newsweek's Howard Fineman began the political spin by suggesting that flinty New Hampshire Republican types were shrinking at the irresponsible $87 billion price tag as violating their sense of "Yankee thrift." Hillary Cleveland, who was New Hampshire finance director for George Bush Sr. in 1980, is now leaving the Republican Party so she can vote for Howard Dean. Newsweek is hereby challenged to explain how the words "Yankee thrift" and "Howard Dean" go together in any mathematical way.
Fineman's spin is encapsulated in his quotation of polltaker John Zogby: "The president has handed Democrats a huge issue called '87 billion' ... That much money crystallizes everyone's concerns about the war." He also desperately inflated how Sen. John McCain is now making comparisons between the Iraq War and the Vietnam War, even as the senator attempted not to sound as crazy as media liberals by insisting "I'm not saying the situation in Iraq now is as bad as Vietnam."
In short, Fineman's article reads as if he was given the following instructions from editors: "Please be the wind beneath Howard Dean's wings."
Newsweek is not alone. Time magazine has also carried sassy covers since the war ended. One July cover with a picture of President Bush at January's State of the Union screamed: "UNtruth and Consequences." And how's this for bizarre: In August of 1998, after President Clinton admitted to Kenneth Starr's team that he had lied about his affair with Monica Lewinsky, the Time cover carried a black and white picture of Clinton with the words "Truth and Consequences."
The snide campaign continued when the Oct. 6 edition echoed that failing-Bush theme with "Mission NOT Accomplished." For the Oct. 13 issue, Time touted "The War Over the Leak," putting Bush-hater Joe Wilson at the center of the cover and its cover story.
Reporters are succeeding in their lobbying campaign to blacken Bush's foreign-policy performance. No one should accept that these magazines are just passive players who respond with added toughness to any president when he appears vulnerable to charges of policy mismanagement. They felt Clinton's pain. Now they administer pain to Bush.
Here's the link
Bush's 'Mess,' Clinton's Free Pass
Brent Bozell (archive)
October 29, 2003
The cover of Newsweek screams from the mailbox and the magazine rack: "BUSH'S $87 BILLION MESS." In case that rhetorical punch isn't strong enough, it adds the promise of uncovering "Waste, Chaos and Cronyism." Today's task for deniers of liberal media bias is set. Please find a Newsweek from the Clinton era with the words "mess" or "cronyism" next to a picture of that president.
Since the Clinton foreign policy team rarely risked top-of-the-news foreign policy initiatives (and certainly never wanted to risk an American casualty), the typical foreign-policy cover story of the second Clinton term read: "Mad About Madeleine: Washington Loves Her. Will the Rest of the World?" Team Clinton's infamous diplomacy-for-donors schedule of foreign trips and its shameless milking of foreign donors for campaign soft money, including cocaine kings and Beijing-connected "businessmen," were never newsworthy enough to be considered cover-story material, apparently, and never mind a "mess."
"Clinton" and "mess" didn't even merge on the Newsweek cover when he made a hash of his presidency with the Monica Lewinsky mess. Instead, the "news" magazine employed headlines like "The Secret Sex Wars." Or, after the April 1998 dismissal of the Paula Jones case, the cover announced: "Clinton Wins a Big One. Now It's Starr's Turn to PUT UP OR SHUT UP." In case you weren't sure how Newsweek felt about Clinton and his opponents, the first edition after the Republicans flopped in the 1998 midterms carried a photo of Newt Gingrich and just these words, bold and taunting: "THE LOSER."
President Clinton could have faced tough questions and embarrassment in October of 2000, after two terrorists in a tiny boat blew up the U.S.S. Cole in Yemen, killing 17 sailors. But Newsweek's cover read simply "Target America." Inside, Jonathan Alter had no tough words about a Clinton "mess," that a great power could be so humiliated by a small band of thugs, the way reporters now view the Fedayeen insurgency. He made excuses: "Clinton was no doubt making contingency plans for retaliation" -- which did not materialize. In another story, the magazine sympathetically recounted how Clinton noted the irony to aides that Americans would now have to experience "the same anger, frustration and powerlessness felt by those in the Middle East." There's a campaign slogan for you: Vote for The New Powerlessness.
Now, President Bush has risked his entire political career and dared to endure American casualties overthrowing Saddam Hussein, one of the world's most savage dictators, a tyrant who mocked the entire international community and its half-hearted statements on behalf of peace and non-proliferation, and what does he get? Reporters blowing horns about a "mess" they hope will turn him out of office.
Newsweek's Howard Fineman began the political spin by suggesting that flinty New Hampshire Republican types were shrinking at the irresponsible $87 billion price tag as violating their sense of "Yankee thrift." Hillary Cleveland, who was New Hampshire finance director for George Bush Sr. in 1980, is now leaving the Republican Party so she can vote for Howard Dean. Newsweek is hereby challenged to explain how the words "Yankee thrift" and "Howard Dean" go together in any mathematical way.
Fineman's spin is encapsulated in his quotation of polltaker John Zogby: "The president has handed Democrats a huge issue called '87 billion' ... That much money crystallizes everyone's concerns about the war." He also desperately inflated how Sen. John McCain is now making comparisons between the Iraq War and the Vietnam War, even as the senator attempted not to sound as crazy as media liberals by insisting "I'm not saying the situation in Iraq now is as bad as Vietnam."
In short, Fineman's article reads as if he was given the following instructions from editors: "Please be the wind beneath Howard Dean's wings."
Newsweek is not alone. Time magazine has also carried sassy covers since the war ended. One July cover with a picture of President Bush at January's State of the Union screamed: "UNtruth and Consequences." And how's this for bizarre: In August of 1998, after President Clinton admitted to Kenneth Starr's team that he had lied about his affair with Monica Lewinsky, the Time cover carried a black and white picture of Clinton with the words "Truth and Consequences."
The snide campaign continued when the Oct. 6 edition echoed that failing-Bush theme with "Mission NOT Accomplished." For the Oct. 13 issue, Time touted "The War Over the Leak," putting Bush-hater Joe Wilson at the center of the cover and its cover story.
Reporters are succeeding in their lobbying campaign to blacken Bush's foreign-policy performance. No one should accept that these magazines are just passive players who respond with added toughness to any president when he appears vulnerable to charges of policy mismanagement. They felt Clinton's pain. Now they administer pain to Bush.
Here's the link
As many say Spin Blame it on Clinton. I just read the artical they got it right. Buck stops at the top that be Mr Bush. You wanted the buck to stop at the top when Clinton was in. Works both ways.
The artical for Clinton should read. Stocks going through the roof full employment. Only folks not working are those who dont want to. Clinton Gets BJ. Everyone hopes this does not hurt there stocks or lose there jobs. It didn't. The right says fire him we dont get BJ. You got that Right.
Stay a Independent or moderate folks. It will help your blood pressure stay low.
Anyway it's a mess. Will be for long time. Like throwing money down a rat hole.
The artical for Clinton should read. Stocks going through the roof full employment. Only folks not working are those who dont want to. Clinton Gets BJ. Everyone hopes this does not hurt there stocks or lose there jobs. It didn't. The right says fire him we dont get BJ. You got that Right.
Stay a Independent or moderate folks. It will help your blood pressure stay low.
Anyway it's a mess. Will be for long time. Like throwing money down a rat hole.
a question djv as you continue to rave about the market and employment being Clinton Admistration's product let me ask you a logical question. Most of the job loss and stock loss came as result of corporate scandals in several very huge companies.
If you go back through the trials you will see that 99% of this corruption initiated during the Clinton administration,however none of it exposed till next administration causing billions in stock loss-workers losing not only jobs but their life savings.
I think it should be mandatory that every take a course in "cause and effect" 101 or in logic.
Now I am not saying any one side is more corrupt than the other as I think you have to be somewhat corrupt to be a politician.
One thing in life I have learned is desperate people do desperate things. One thing about this administration is they are mostly financially set for life before coming into office and are not desperate for money unlike Slick who had never paid taxes on over $36,000 net income before amassing millions in office.
I don't think we will have the embarrassment of turning the while house into a bread or breakfast club and I hope we don't have a 2 page post of convicted fellons.---and to date it has been much safer to be politically tied to this administration as there has been no rash of accidental deaths-suicides or imprisonments.
Maybe I should give him benefit of doubt considering his gene pool and environment.
---and the reverse is also true if you read todays headlines in Reuters it would appear tax cut is working. I think tax cuts had little to do with it personally
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=580&e=1&u=/nm/20031030/bs_nm/economy_dc
If you go back through the trials you will see that 99% of this corruption initiated during the Clinton administration,however none of it exposed till next administration causing billions in stock loss-workers losing not only jobs but their life savings.
I think it should be mandatory that every take a course in "cause and effect" 101 or in logic.
Now I am not saying any one side is more corrupt than the other as I think you have to be somewhat corrupt to be a politician.
One thing in life I have learned is desperate people do desperate things. One thing about this administration is they are mostly financially set for life before coming into office and are not desperate for money unlike Slick who had never paid taxes on over $36,000 net income before amassing millions in office.
I don't think we will have the embarrassment of turning the while house into a bread or breakfast club and I hope we don't have a 2 page post of convicted fellons.---and to date it has been much safer to be politically tied to this administration as there has been no rash of accidental deaths-suicides or imprisonments.
Maybe I should give him benefit of doubt considering his gene pool and environment.
---and the reverse is also true if you read todays headlines in Reuters it would appear tax cut is working. I think tax cuts had little to do with it personally
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=580&e=1&u=/nm/20031030/bs_nm/economy_dc
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DTB I dont give Clinton all the credit. It was Bob Dole and him working togeather that took us out of Bush SR recession. What ever they did worked. I know they taxed the hell out of the rich. But the rich didn't mind becasue they made so much money with Clintons recovery plan they laugh all the way to the bank. Now they laugh even more. As for those companaies with all the corruption. Well most are not backers of the left. And we still have corruption at the highest level with Cheney and halburton.
Folks i only started this tread to say. Somone needs to ask why we throw more dollars in a rat hole wth out any pay back. Iraqis got oil pay us back. The Iraqis say we did not ask you here go to hell. There right we were not invited. Were being told look at the good side. Schools are opening stores have shoppers in them. Some bridges we blew up are getting repared. We have a Iraqi police force it's growing larger every day. Look out some will start to shoot at our guys. So what do we see most the time. Un rest the number of folks killed and injured everday. And at last our President even had to admitt at his news conferance Tuesday Iraq is a dangerous place. Hello, it has been from day one of our invasion. Its as News Week said a 87 billion dollar mess. They have it right. Our own President even admitts and knows it now. I see he has learned a little. Instead of words like bring it on. He now just says were staying. Much better. And someone please tell us where our first 68 bilion went and where this 87 billion is going. Evey American should want to know this that pays taxes. And what is the end plan to get out. A real end plan not a bunch of what If's.
Folks i only started this tread to say. Somone needs to ask why we throw more dollars in a rat hole wth out any pay back. Iraqis got oil pay us back. The Iraqis say we did not ask you here go to hell. There right we were not invited. Were being told look at the good side. Schools are opening stores have shoppers in them. Some bridges we blew up are getting repared. We have a Iraqi police force it's growing larger every day. Look out some will start to shoot at our guys. So what do we see most the time. Un rest the number of folks killed and injured everday. And at last our President even had to admitt at his news conferance Tuesday Iraq is a dangerous place. Hello, it has been from day one of our invasion. Its as News Week said a 87 billion dollar mess. They have it right. Our own President even admitts and knows it now. I see he has learned a little. Instead of words like bring it on. He now just says were staying. Much better. And someone please tell us where our first 68 bilion went and where this 87 billion is going. Evey American should want to know this that pays taxes. And what is the end plan to get out. A real end plan not a bunch of what If's.
I agree 100% on Iraq footing part of bill. If you remeber that was idea I struck on here before they brought subject to the house. They damn well should pay part of it back withfuture oil if nothing else.--but then the sames ones squaking about them footing the bill would be the 1st to say "see war was for oil" but I think that segment of population has been discounted by the majority.
As it is sad to say there is an element in our society that wakes up each day in hopes something bad has happened overnight they can gloat over. Wonder what its like to go through life with an attitude like that? Hmmmm
Now I am so happy you brought up Newsweek article because I have a doosy for you concerning it as soon as text is printed on net
I am sure some has saw it and knows whats coming.
We'll have you converted yet my friend. I know the pardon list got your attention
As it is sad to say there is an element in our society that wakes up each day in hopes something bad has happened overnight they can gloat over. Wonder what its like to go through life with an attitude like that? Hmmmm
Now I am so happy you brought up Newsweek article because I have a doosy for you concerning it as soon as text is printed on net
I am sure some has saw it and knows whats coming.We'll have you converted yet my friend. I know the pardon list got your attention
"As it is sad to say there is an element in our society that wakes up each day in hopes something bad has happened overnight they can gloat over. Wonder what its like to go through life with an attitude like that? Hmmmm"
I bet you were a joy during the Clinton years! LOL!
I bet you were a joy during the Clinton years! LOL!
Yes very much so. The differnce is it was at him directly not the economy,military ect.
Regardless of who is in office including slick I hope economy-all military operations and any decisions or bills passed have a positive impact on society. Now granted when he errors I'll be the very 1st on his ass BUT the big difference is there are many in society today that hope we fail in Iraq and hope the economy tanks and that is SICK!!!!
DJV Article concerning Newsweek not printed yet,will update when it is.
Did find another class action result for Ed though who is probably out in CA for a while looking for prospects.
This was recent 200 million suit settlement against micosoft.
Bottom line
Stockholders lost
Consumers will get loss passed on to them on future pricing.
Consumers in suit who I am sure were promised big bucks once again gain a few coupons.
Now I wonder once again who came out the monetary winners?
If I se one more of these Attorney James Sokolov class action recuiting spiels on TV that start with "If you or a loved one" I'll f----ing puke.
How gullible can viewers be??? "Loved one" Where is the love when they settle for coupons for plaintiffs and take the cheese for themselves.
http://www.forbes.com/newswire/2003/10/28/rtr1125775.html
Regardless of who is in office including slick I hope economy-all military operations and any decisions or bills passed have a positive impact on society. Now granted when he errors I'll be the very 1st on his ass BUT the big difference is there are many in society today that hope we fail in Iraq and hope the economy tanks and that is SICK!!!!
DJV Article concerning Newsweek not printed yet,will update when it is.
Did find another class action result for Ed though who is probably out in CA for a while looking for prospects.
This was recent 200 million suit settlement against micosoft.
Bottom line
Stockholders lost
Consumers will get loss passed on to them on future pricing.
Consumers in suit who I am sure were promised big bucks once again gain a few coupons.
Now I wonder once again who came out the monetary winners?
If I se one more of these Attorney James Sokolov class action recuiting spiels on TV that start with "If you or a loved one" I'll f----ing puke.
How gullible can viewers be??? "Loved one"
Where is the love when they settle for coupons for plaintiffs and take the cheese for themselves.http://www.forbes.com/newswire/2003/10/28/rtr1125775.html
Well I will say I hope to wake up many more mornings god willing. But I am sad when the first news is another GI went down. Or We see see there was 15 to 20 attacks on our guys dailey. And More Iraqis complaning openly everday go home. It really does looklie ames and gives flash backs. I hope a better answer for all this is found soon. Soemthings not right and you can kind-a feal it.
