cash driven bcs simply ridiculous

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i just read this article in the ny post & thought other madjackers would find it interesting. this whole system is a disgrace when a team, who couldn't win their league title, play for the championship.

CASH-DRIVEN BCS SIMPLY RIDICULOUS

By LENN ROBBINS
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December 8, 2003 --


HOW do we justify this system?

How do we look a USC player in the eye and explain why he isn't playing for the national championship? Even worse, how do we look a Northern Illinois player in the eye and explain why he's not playing in a bowl game, period?

The sham known as big-time college football became a crueler joke yesterday when the nation's No. l-ranked team learned it would not play in the national championship Sugar Bowl.

Southern Cal is going to the Rose Bowl, the Granddaddy of bowls, which suddenly has been relegated to status as a cruel consolation prize. So much for the integrity of the bowl system.

Despite a 52-28 thrashing of Oregon State, the Trojans shockingly dropped from second to third in the convoluted BCS ratings. Oklahoma, which lost by 28 to Kansas State in the Big 12 title game, remained No. 1 in the BCS.

Of course, margin of victory no longer is factored into the BCS formula. Neither is common sense. USC coach Pete Carroll, who looked as if he had been chewing on calcified beef jerky, said the Trojans were proud to be ranked No. 1.

No. 1 won't play No. 2, which should be as basic as two plus two. No. 1 will instead play the No. 4-ranked Michigan Wolverines in what could be the most exciting bowl game of all.

No. 2 LSU, which waxed Georgia in the SEC title game and leapfrogged the Trojans, plays No. 3 Oklahoma for at least half the national championship. Never has a program been so thrilled to chant, "We're No. 3!"

Computer geeks, with their pocket protectors and stained shirts, will gladly explain how Syracuse's win over Notre Dame combined with Boise State's win over Hawaii lowered the Trojans' strength of schedule. There is no explanation for a system that values dollar signs over common sense.

The BCS exists because it generates so much money, about $120 million, that talk of tinkering with it (no less replacing it with a playoff system) makes bowl reps and athletic directors more nervous than a driver's-ed student on day one of class.

Today, there is no escaping the need for a playoff system. The team that is ranked No. 1 will not play in the national championship game, although voters in the Associated Press poll still can vote the Trojans No. 1 if they beat Michigan.

The team that did not win its conference title, Oklahoma, will still get a chance to rule the land. It sounds like a Cuban election.

Division I-A football is the only NCAA sport not decided on the field. Bowl games generated so much revenue and more rhetoric that it built a green curtain.

Whenever a playoff system was mentioned, the guys in the blazers regurgitated phrases such as, "A playoff would undermine the importance of the regular season," or, "A playoff would harm the integrity of the bowl system."

Do you think for one snap this season the players at Colgate, which Saturday beat Western Illinois, 28-27, in the Division I-AA quarterfinals, didn't think the regular-season game in which it was playing was important? Colgate was too busy extending its 18-game win streak.

How much integrity is there in a system that doesn't reward a team for winning its conference title? How much integrity is there in a system that gives us Miami and Florida State, a sequel, in the Orange Bowl?

Even worse, how much integrity is there in a system in which a team that goes 10-2, as Northern Illinois did, can't find a place in one of the 28 bowl games that will be played?

Maybe USC shouldn't feel that bad after all.
 

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How quickly the polsters have forgotten about the loss to a terrible Cal team! I think the polsters have also overlooked the fact that USC's wins this year are not so spectacular, as those defeated teams are still losing. The BCS computers obviously have a better memory. I'm not sure I agree with the fact that USC is #1 in both polls...
 

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it's not usc's fault that the teams that were on their schedule did not live up to preseason expectations. after all wasn't notre dame & auburn rated in the top 10 or 25 in preseason polls. i remember that people were calling auburn the next national champs even before the season started.

one of my problems with this system is that a team that didn't even win their their conference is now playing for the national title. maybe oklahoma is the best team in the country & maybe their not. but i think that the only way to tell is to have a playoff system where the top 6 or the top 8 teams play an elimination tournament.in other words let the play on the field determine the champs.
 

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one of my problems with this system is that a team that didn't even win their their conference is now playing for the national title.
I respond to this with two questions-

1. Is the goal of the current system (or any non-playoff system) to pit the two best teams in the nation against each other for the national title?

2. Is it possible that the two best teams in the country in any given year are in the same conference?

If the answer to both those questions is YES, then all the bitching in this regard is meaningless. For instance, say hypothetically that the best two teams in the country really are Florida and Georgia. If that is really true, then we want a system that will allow a championship game to pit those two against each other. I realize that they will have already played each other, but it's still possible that the loser of that regular season game is still the second best team in the nation. The same could happen if the two teams were in opposite halves of the same conference, even if one of them didn't make it to the conference champ game. There should NOT be a rule that automatically eliminates non-conference champions from the title game.

Another unwritten rule seems to be "late season losses should count worse than early season losses." I have to ask why, since in no sport I've ever heard of is this case by any rule I've ever heard of until playoffs actually start. In NCAA football-there is only one playoff game and this is the championship game. All other games preceding that game should be evaluated equally.

If the aim was to evaluate the whole season to see who actually earned championship berths (especially in terms of tie breaker scenario in which we found ourselves), you have to question how humans arrived at voting USC #1 instead of #3 like 6 out of 7 computer polls. Answer, because of human biases towards late season losses and humans inability to make overall judgements about what has actually been achieved during the season. That is why the computer polls were added and ironically now that they have corrected an injustice people don't like it.
 

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monk,

excellent post!!

you make very good points. but i still think that the championship should be decided on the field, instead of by a computer. isn't college football the only sport that is not decided on the field ? why is a team that came in 2nd in their conference playing for the national title?
the problem is that these bowl committee's have too much power, which is the reason why there is no playoff system. the bowls have become too much of a tradition.
 

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My thoughts exactly, Monk. And another thing - People are so quick to point the finger at the BCS computers and cry foul. Lets not forget who programmed the BCS computers to act the way they do. Humans! Humans have determined the guidelines for picking the two most deserving teams. Like I said before, computers don't make mistakes. The BCS score for each team is 100% accurate!

Stuman
 

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all these arguments

all these arguments

for the bcs are basically driven by conference affiliation...very few legit arguments for not settling it on the field....the same guys that expound the "bcs is o.k." argument are the same guys that would be crying foul if it were their team or conference that were getting gored.....objectivity in a gambling forum where honest,objective information is most important, is sorely lacking.....

here`s a quote from a fairly savvy guy on another forum that was so profound that i saved it for reference...

"There is something to be said about local knowledge, and if we had a local in this forum from every NFL town with an objective view of the game and not a fans perspective we'd all be better off."......

priceless....
 

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Re: all these arguments

Re: all these arguments

gardenweasel said:
"There is something to be said about local knowledge, and if we had a local in this forum from every NFL town with an objective view of the game and not a fans perspective we'd all be better off."......

priceless....

very very true. i gotta say that by and large, the local info that gets posted on this site rarely contains objectivity and it distorts the truth. wish it wasnt so. could be a great benefit.
 
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