u.s. shuts out france, germany, & russia for iraq work

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all i can say is----good!!!


U.S. Shuts Out France, Germany for Iraq Work
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By Sue Pleming

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Citing national security reasons, U.S. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz has ruled that prime contracts to rebuild Iraq (news - web sites) will exclude firms from nations such as France and Germany that opposed the U.S. war.

In a policy document released on Tuesday, Wolfowitz said he was limiting competition for 26 reconstruction contracts worth up to $18.6 billion that will be advertised in coming days.


"It is necessary for the protection of the essential security interests of the United States to limit competition for the prime contracts of these procurements to companies from the United States, Iraq, coalition partners and force contributing nations," Wolfowitz said in a notice published on the web site www.rebuilding-iraq.net.


The move is likely to anger France and Germany and other traditional allies in NATO (news - web sites) and the U.N. Security Council who are being blocked out of prime contracts after their opposition to the war. They may bid for sub-contracts.


But the decision will placate countries such as Britain, Italy and Spain, which provided troops to Iraq but whose companies were excluded from the first round of deals that went to U.S. firms.


The contracts cover electricity, communications, public buildings, transportation, public works and security and justice. Additional contracts are also being awarded to oversee those projects.


TIT FOR TAT RESPONSES


U.S. trade lawyer Clark McFadden questioned the administration's criterion for the contracts. "Is this going to set a precedent where national security can be used to justify limiting competition?" he asked.


Procurement specialist Prof. Steven Schooner from George Washington University said it was "disingenuous" to use national security as an excuse and predicted an angry reaction from those nations excluded.


"This kind of decision just begs for retaliation and a tit-for-tat response from countries (such as Germany, France and Russia)," said Schooner.


But a defense official said NATO partners had known for weeks they would not get prime Iraq business. "This is not a slight. We still have many agreements with those countries and good working relationships with them."


Wolfowitz is hoping that excluded companies will put pressure on their governments to join the post-war effort.


"Limiting competition for prime contracts will encourage the expansion of international cooperation in Iraq and in future efforts," wrote Wolfowitz.


The document, dated Dec. 5, listed more than 60 countries eligible for contracts funded by the $18.6 billion appropriated by Congress to rebuild Iraq.


The list included Britain, Australia, Poland, Japan, Italy, Norway, Spain, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, South Korea (news - web sites), the Philippines, Romania and Saudi Arabia.


Some officials had argued privately the United States should not limit international competition to rebuild Iraq, where the infrastructure has been shattered by years of neglect, war and post-conflict looting and attacks.


The roll-out of tenders to rebuild Iraq has been delayed in recent days while "high-level" policy decisions were being taken on Iraqi reconstruction and as lawyers checked that the final wording complied with U.S. procurement laws.


A defense official said he expected the new contracts to be advertised on government Web sites later on Tuesday or on Wednesday.

U.S. trade lawyer Roger Schagrin told Reuters non-coalition firms could still get business from selling material and equipment to the lead contractors.

"Much of the money is expended on materials. A British or U.S. company could get a prime contract and then buy 100 percent French materials," said Schagrin.
 

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Procurement specialist Prof. Steven Schooner from George Washington University said it was "disingenuous" to use national security as an excuse and predicted an angry reaction from those nations excluded.

Gosh Darn, I hope the French and Germans don't get mad at us...:rolleyes: :moon: :thefinger
 

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Only thing that could be better is if they go one step further and wipe out all debt Saddam amassed with these countries prior.:D

:thumb: great idea, they shouldn't have been dealing with him. Canada is shut out too, correct? The Poles served, hopefully they will get some good contracts out of this.
 

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That is correct Six Five Canada was shut out, however most of the large contracts will go to certain US companies, so not much of a loss. Not that unrealeastic as the US is picking up the tab.

It is funny how some of this was played at the time in the US media, Canada non involvment. I wonder how many countries have committed over 3600 troops to Afganistan.....no very many. The truth is Canada has underfunded the military and with our commitments in peace keeping UN, and in Afganistan we had very little to commit.

It was a political decission not to give support except if it was through the UN. Chretian and Bush never got along, and the US seems to be putting more trade issues on the table. In the end Chretian made a decission, theres a change LOL

Paul Martin the new PM and leader of the liberal party will improve relations with the US, and Bush will probably visit before the next US election and after the Cdn. election in the spring.
Most Presidents who do not visit Canada and the parliament buildings lose re-election. goes back since Carter...

All or most Iraq debt will be forgiven in exchange the countries will probably be granted some contracts and new debt (cents on the dollar if that.)

At the end of the day the US will try to get every nation possible to contribute to rebuilding Iraq. Canada was going to give millions in foreign aid. I trust when the cheques are handing over the song book changes or else why bother giving any money ?

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It is my opinion that Canada will not be left out of contracts but already in consideration for sub contracts thru U.S. and UK route.
1st U.S. is well aware of their sacrifices in Afgan and as I heard a Canadian delegate comment on tv today they basically had no troops to send with their commitment in Afgan.
It would be logical to me that U.S. can not say hey we will give Canada contracts but not the others. They have to publicly draw a line but left the loophole of sub contracts for a purpose.
While U.S. and Canada has had some minor differences on some issues you can rest assured they will be like brothers if the shit ever hits the fan.
 

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I wonder with so many American companies moveing more and more to China. Well China will do Ok. And they did not support us or help us in any way either. I know my old company will get A/C contracts in the millions. They will build them in China. Dont blame the Chines. Not there problem. Blame the American companies that are leaveing the American workers out in the cold.
 

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I agree those who did business with Saddam should not share in the profits. Now, who is going to replace Halliburton?
 

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I don't understand how the left can diss big business constantly,back attorneys and litigation that make profits harder to come by-increase prices to consumer,twart inovations of new products----and then boo hoo when they take their ball and go elsewhere. What is so hard to understand about cause and effect. Too simple?

---and speaking of simple cause and effect

Since 9-11 there has been great strides made toward fighting the # 1 threat to the world,Terrorism. You have countries like Saudi's,Turkey-Phillipines-Pakistan finally realizing they need to join the fight.

Now just suppose that Dean would win presidency--can you imagine the anxiety that these countries would feel---and go one step further--can you imagine the jubilation the terrorist would celebrate.
NOW Tell me how that would be good for our country and the rest of the world.
I'm all :bigear:
 

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Well first we should thank the French I Guess. Why becasue they saved our asses from the Brits back in the revolutionary war. I only mention that becasue we found ways to forgive the Brits. So when we get a chance to get more folks back on our side with some forgivenes. Well we just keep makeing it harder. Why are Canada and Germany on the list in the first place to be shut out. Both haved helped us with the true terroist campain in Afgan. Just because they did not like the way we rushed into Iraq does not make them bad folks. We still are not sure why we rushed into Iraq. Dean has the right idea. Turn it over to the UN with us left in charge to ok all last details. But replace 100000 of our troops with other countries. We should need no more then 20 or 30 thousand of ours there. This election Bush wants to have so bad. Becareful what you ask for Mr Bush. When they elect someone you dont like are you going to say they have to vote over. It might not work like Florida. Give the chit hole to the UN. Or is there just to much Oil there. Always keep in mind we attacked Iraq. They did not attack us.
 

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DJV I agree wholeheartedly on Germany and Canada and am assured they will get a piece of cheese--the French and Russia deserve what they got.

Now on the Iraq issue.
1st I have not seen Dean commit to any idea that was his own.
Dean's retort of turn it over to U.N. is quite predictable-- in other words do nothing and hope for the best.
Have you not saw what the U.N. and others have done there once the terrorist apply a little pressure. They haul ass--exactly the terrorist intent---Terrorist's weapon is fear and those that have no guts for it. Countries are coming forward now in response to the U.S. courage to fight it and not run. That is the American way--at least for the majority.
---and I am sure Dean will change his mind at least twice more on subject--depending which way the wind blows.

Be that as it may,Dean and his followers need to stick to what they do best, Bash-shout and scream-protest and carry the pickets and let the administration and soilders handle the war.
Notice I said Dean and not democrats-cause I am quite sure Lieberman and Gephart would be right in there with bush if in his position,Lieberman anyway.
 

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I cant blame Dean for the way he thinks. He does not think we went in there the right way to start. He maybe right. History will tell us more as this moves along. I say let them have that vote soon aspossible. And then honor it. If that means we have to leave so be it. We did what we wanted throwed Saddam out and gave them the vote. If we never find Saddam or any majior weapons of mass destuction. Well thats on us I guess. Maybe someone should have thought of that possibilty long time ago.
 
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"the bunker"
as an unnamed politician said

as an unnamed politician said

"i wouldn`t give France or Russia the water to take a pill with"....(zell miller)

rat bastids....

and not just because they didn`t help us in the war effort....but because they sell military technology and give assistance to those that are our enemies....and now,it looks like we`ll have to keep our eyes on our good friends the israeli`s..possibly selling some of the technology that we give them to china?.........how they can undermine us goes beyond galling....

the world is full of duplicitous mou fou`s.....
 
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