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Jack a couple of Questions
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Mr. KANE said:
What kind of idiotic post is this? I post that I'm a handicapper in my profile under occupation because that IS my occupation. With that being said, i have NEVER advertised in this forum. EVER. I don't even post plays because that would be disrepectful to my customers. I could give a rat's ass if Nation30 is a handicapper or not. The problem I DO have is that he uses the forum for advertising, and unless he is coughing up a check to Jack on a monthly basis (which i strongly doubt), he is disrepecting the members of this forum and it's rules.
i'm seriously thinking about making a separate forum for services only and not permit them to post in the handicapping forums. if people want to hear from the services they can visit that forum. and, there will still be the NO ADVERTISING rule.
Solid idea IMO
Solid idea IMO
i think it is unfair to ban someone from the forum because of their occupation. over the years i have made friends with more than one person on this forum who are professional handicappers. i would be unhappy if i could not interact with those people in this forum. banning people because of their occupation is not the answer; banning people for their conduct has always been the policy here, and i think it is an appropriate one.
imo, pros should be REQUIRED to list their handicapping occupation in their profile, and maybe have some kind of logo or atavar by their username that identifies them as such. the no advertising rule should be brutally enforced. for those that like to play around the fringes, i suggest that anything vaguely resembling a solicitation result in a week's banishment, a second offense a month, and a third offense a permanent ban of the offender under any screenname. that should be enough to curb the b/s.
imo, pros should be REQUIRED to list their handicapping occupation in their profile, and maybe have some kind of logo or atavar by their username that identifies them as such. the no advertising rule should be brutally enforced. for those that like to play around the fringes, i suggest that anything vaguely resembling a solicitation result in a week's banishment, a second offense a month, and a third offense a permanent ban of the offender under any screenname. that should be enough to curb the b/s.
I can't even tell who is or isn't pay anymore. Does anyone give out an occasional PAY play for free? If they don't then aren't they just trying to gain more customers? If they are posting free pics but none are what they are playing then there should be a way to know that they are not the pay picks. Otherwise it is just a lean or opinion and that can be very misleading.
jcb, i understand your frustration, but i think you and others miss the point of posting plays in the forum, or at least what i see as the point.
when i see a play posted on the forum, there are only two circumstances where i would consider relying on them to the point of risking my own money. one is where the poster gives the reasons or information upon which he bases his play. the other is where i personally know the poster and through experience have come to trust their expertise and opinion. that's it - period.
if the poster i'm relying on is also in the pay service business, i'm not so arrogant as to demand of them for free what they sell to their customers. if they post an opinion or a play, it really doesn't matter to me how they rate it. i take their opinion into consideration along with my own opinion, and then i decide how much i want to risk. no one that i know and respect among the pay service guys would post an play that they didn't have faith in. no matter how much i value someone's handicapping expertise, i alone decide how much i am willing to wager on a play.
madjack's is an open internet forum. you alone should decide how much credibility to give what you see posted here.
when i see a play posted on the forum, there are only two circumstances where i would consider relying on them to the point of risking my own money. one is where the poster gives the reasons or information upon which he bases his play. the other is where i personally know the poster and through experience have come to trust their expertise and opinion. that's it - period.
if the poster i'm relying on is also in the pay service business, i'm not so arrogant as to demand of them for free what they sell to their customers. if they post an opinion or a play, it really doesn't matter to me how they rate it. i take their opinion into consideration along with my own opinion, and then i decide how much i want to risk. no one that i know and respect among the pay service guys would post an play that they didn't have faith in. no matter how much i value someone's handicapping expertise, i alone decide how much i am willing to wager on a play.
madjack's is an open internet forum. you alone should decide how much credibility to give what you see posted here.
Loophole:
While I agree with your thoughts I disagree on one issue. As a veteran here, you know who to follow and who is a pro. A new person does not have that same advantage. Thus, they may see a thread with 700 views and say hmm this is someone everybody here is following. If a service is posting here and they are not the top plays, someone looking here should have that information. People like you and I that have been here for a while will know this, but not everyone will. Personally, I think anything that even closely resembles advertising should be deleted. I am somewaht skeptical when I see someone's partner in a pay service posting a congratulations on a greta night to his partner. That is pure BS and the only reason to do that is to get around Jack's no advertising rule. Any post that even mentions SP or member play should be deleted. We don't need the pros identified and they should be allowed to post, but even subtle advertising on Jack's free site is BS and should not be done. Those doing it, you know who you are :nono: :nono:
While I agree with your thoughts I disagree on one issue. As a veteran here, you know who to follow and who is a pro. A new person does not have that same advantage. Thus, they may see a thread with 700 views and say hmm this is someone everybody here is following. If a service is posting here and they are not the top plays, someone looking here should have that information. People like you and I that have been here for a while will know this, but not everyone will. Personally, I think anything that even closely resembles advertising should be deleted. I am somewaht skeptical when I see someone's partner in a pay service posting a congratulations on a greta night to his partner. That is pure BS and the only reason to do that is to get around Jack's no advertising rule. Any post that even mentions SP or member play should be deleted. We don't need the pros identified and they should be allowed to post, but even subtle advertising on Jack's free site is BS and should not be done. Those doing it, you know who you are :nono: :nono:
Junior44 said:
Damn, don't you think you're dragging this out a bit. All I have seen you do is constantly bitch and moan towards N30 and Volfan when the issue was resolved immediately afterwards. It's nice that N30 and Volfan continue to share their views on the games with everyone. What do you contribute? Not much IMHO.... Get a life.....
kneifl
Loop - very good points. But let me ask you this..............what is the point of posting plays in the forum from the POSTER'S perspective after he has gone pay? Unless he is screwing his customers and posting exact service plays (which I doubt), then what is his objective? Could it possibly be to get part of the huge traffic here and Madjack's to at least consider the possibility of buying his plays?
jr, in answer to your question, i'm pretty sure that the pros that i know and consider friends post plays in the forum in the same manner that they occasionally send me plays by email - purely for the purpose of sharing them with me and others. my friends have never suggested that i send them money, nor have they ever suggested that they are giving me their entire slate for free. why, i even remember that, from time to time, your ol' jaded pay service self has posted plays in the forum. i even played a few of them - and some of them even won. but i never got the impression at all that you were shilling for your service, i simply believed you were just adding something back to mj's just for old time's sake. hope i was right, wasn't i?
but i digress. i know a lot of the service guys are here to make a presence that will lead to business. i really don't mind that, i just don't like the self promotion the same way i don't like telephone solicitation or door-to-door salesmen. i think a few simple rules like i laid out above would cure that.
btw, think the lumberjacks of nau can ride their big win at unlv and roll san diego tonight, or should i expect a bit of a letdown? help a brother out with a freebie, ok?
but i never got the impression at all that you were shilling for your service, i simply believed you were just adding something back to mj's just for old time's sake. hope i was right, wasn't i?but i digress. i know a lot of the service guys are here to make a presence that will lead to business. i really don't mind that, i just don't like the self promotion the same way i don't like telephone solicitation or door-to-door salesmen. i think a few simple rules like i laid out above would cure that.
btw, think the lumberjacks of nau can ride their big win at unlv and roll san diego tonight, or should i expect a bit of a letdown? help a brother out with a freebie, ok?
I normally don't say much, but i have to admit, i think having a separate section in the forum for pay services is a good idea....
as long as they post a record along with their picks....so that we can fade them.......(Buyer beware)
Monitoring is a GOOD thing, and Jack, you can do this.
If they wanna post their service picks here, they better well DAMN make sure they're good....put their reputation on the line.
If we can weave out the service picks and dump them in a separate section:
1) it will be easier for people that WANT to follow them to find them.
2) it will be easier for the people that DON'T want to follow them to NOT read them....
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and lastly:
START POSTING RECORDS PEOPLE!!!!!
It's getting damn harder to sift through all these rookies' threads (and even the more experienced members...) to see who's for real or not....
or maybe we can start a new forum on that one for the people that post their records......I'm willing to put my rep on the line.........is anyone else?:fingerc:
as long as they post a record along with their picks....so that we can fade them.......
(Buyer beware)Monitoring is a GOOD thing, and Jack, you can do this.
If they wanna post their service picks here, they better well DAMN make sure they're good....put their reputation on the line.
If we can weave out the service picks and dump them in a separate section:
1) it will be easier for people that WANT to follow them to find them.
2) it will be easier for the people that DON'T want to follow them to NOT read them....
__________________________________________
and lastly:
START POSTING RECORDS PEOPLE!!!!!
It's getting damn harder to sift through all these rookies' threads (and even the more experienced members...) to see who's for real or not....
or maybe we can start a new forum on that one for the people that post their records......I'm willing to put my rep on the line.........is anyone else?:fingerc:
