does the k st loss diminish oklahoma`s situation?

[the_fix_is_on]

OKD and others,
I'm not a USC homer, I went to UofMD and I'll admit to being a MD homer. Ohio State dominated the game last night for 3 quarters, which they built up a 21 point lead. They may have coasted a little early, but they managed to hold on for the win. They spent the last quarter running the ball, trying to erase the clock. So, if the stats say something different, so be it, but K State wasn't in the game until it was too late. In the mean time, the announcers played pity on the K State QB for all of his turmoil. . . all self inflicted, I might add.
There are my 2 cents. . .from an outsider.

 

[OKD]

I agree with what you are saying...but the funny thing is , that's exactly The BCS' logic. Their stupid Notre Dame couldn't beat Syracuse so Oklahoma goes to the Sugar Bowl logic.

It's called 'Strength of Schedule', look into it. Some people think it is kind of important.

And Oklahoma was going to the Sugar Bowl regardless of that game. It was LSU who would have been left out.

And, for what it's worth, I think Oklahoma would have WAXED the Trojans if they had made it into the Sugar Bowl. OU's D tees off on pro-style offenses.

 

[OKD]

TFIO,

Of course, KState did not "dominate" Ohio State, but Ohio State did not "dominate" Kstate, either. KState played HORRIBLE last night (Roberson was WAY OFF with his passes), yet they still were in the game.

 

[gardenweasel]

c`mon

c`mon

k st got their butt`s kicked...they were out of the game in the second qtr.....what happened late was what happens late in many football games....coaches start playing it close to the vest on offense and defense to protect the lead....in the 1st half,k st had practically no offense...

you guy`s diminish your credibility arguing that k.st. didn`t get drubbed.......

did georgia dominate purdue?.....of course they did....

 

[gecko]

agreed....

agreed....

Forget that K-State/Roberson didn't come to play, or the distractions. OSU was a TD+ underdog and I guarantee you they impressed the pollsters for 3 full quarters. They didn't "dominate" Miami last yr either, but they won the nat'l title because of a great game plan and focus; credit coach Tressel and his staff, a smart leader in Krenzel and an excellent D. A win is a win.

Georgia, on the other hand, while great for 1H, the offensive playcalling and execution in the 2H made it seem like they were sitting on a big lead. They played not to lose and were unable to convert on 3rd down at times when it mattered. Now THAT was inexcusable.

As for the USC/nat'l title flap, it's only brewing because the Trojans have a legitimate beef since they missed out on the Sugar Bowl berth by 0.16 BCS points. The amount of separation betwen Oklahoma and USC is about one pt, while between USC and Michigan isn't even close. #1 to #3 are legitimately worth of a title shot, even though only the top 2 get it. I'm no USC fan, but I've seen them a lot this yr and they are a great team in all phases of the game.

 

[Scott4USC]

Mags

USC LOST TO CAL EARLY IN THE YEAR. For your information, this was a rebuilding year for USC. YES, a rebuilding year for USC. USC starts/plays 7 freshman, and 10 sophomores. USC had a completely inexperienced QB and inexperienced backfield. YES, USC lost to a good CAL team who is well coached, at CAL, in triple OT. SO WHAT? Pac 10 has looked very good in the bowl games. But people will spin it. Doesn't matter who USC plays at the end of the year. Carroll is undefeated in November, and USC has always played their best football. This not only was young team, but USC was also VERY BANGED UP.

I am a believer in not losing late in the year. Losing early vs losing late is huge. Many teams need time to gell, and especially USC who always plays a TOUGH OOC conference schedule. I reward teams who are playing their best football at the end of the year an who win their conference.

All in all, I am glad USC won a National Championship in a rebuilding year, and next year USC will defend their NC in what will be a non rebuilding year for USC. USC is returning over 20 starters, and has had #1 recruiting classes. VERY SCARY! Nobody willl outcoach USC either.

 

[Pujo21]

Before anyone cast opinions about Oklahoma beating USC, let's first see them beat The Tigers ! That's a big IF ! I am not ruling out Oklahoma as a wager. But you have to admit, the way The Big 12 has looked so far..........yada yada yada.

At least they have conquered Navy !

 

[Mr Hockey]

They still lost to Cal regardless of when it was.

God this system is so stupid. Forget the Rose Bowl & imagine what the ratings would be if next week if USC since they won the Rose Bowl met the Sugar Bowl winner. I'll give Pete one thing, if they could arrange such a game without getting in trouble with the NCAA, I believe he would do it in a heartbeat.

 

[Scott4USC]

Mr Hockey

Your right he would. I don't think Stoops would because he still thinks the BCS is fair. Saban would play another game.

 

[Mr Hockey]

If Stoops feels that way about the BCS then someone needs to slap him.

 

[Scott4USC]

Stoops said on TV in an interview in New Orleans.

 

[Mr Hockey]

I wonder if he would honestly feel that way if he was on the outside looking in.

 

[Mags]

Scott4USC

Scott4USC

Bottom line - National Champ is based on best for the whole year, not just who is playing best now...

That's the way the BCS is set up - and the way all coaches agreed to at the beginning of the BCS.

I'm not sure why you say USC's schedule was so tough... if it was, wouldn't they be in the National Championship game based on strength of schedule? LSU had a tougher schedule, which is why they are ranked ahead of USC. Same for Oklahoma.

USC had a bad loss, and it cost them a chance at the National Championship. That's just the way it is. It's too bad, cuz if there was a playoff system in place, USC would have a very good chance to win.

But there is not a playoff system - and there is only 1 trophy that goes to the National Champion. LSU or Oklahoma will be hoisting that trophy tomorrow evening.

That is not to say USC did not have a great year - they did - and should have a good chance to win the title next year.

 

[mansa_musa]

Strength of schedule!!!!

Strength of schedule!!!!

OKD

SOS is not just about who you play. You also have to consider where & when you play, as well as who, when & where you played before & after.

LSU lost @ HOME to a 3-3 Florida team (wins v. SJSU, FAMU & Kentucky). Their offense didnt score a pt v Florida & the defense allowed 19 unanswered pts. LSU was off a bye week & had S Carolina on the road the next week!

OU had a week to prepare for K State on a neutral field. With an undefeated season, a trip to the Sugar Bowl & (Oh yeah!) the Big 12 title on the line. The Sonners managed only 7 pts & allowed 35 unanswered pts by the Wildcats.

USC lost to Cal by 3 pts in 3OT on the road also off a bye. The Trojans came from 14 pts down at the half & then produced a FG on the final drive in regulation to force the OT. USC also had the prospect of a highly regarded (at the time!) ASU team on the road the next week.

LSU & OU both laid down & died in their losses. SC fought to the end to avoid theirs. LSU & OU both failed to score in the 2H of the games when they really needed to.

Looking at the schedules of LSU & OU, I can only find 1 road game for both teams against a team better than Cal. OU played Alabama, Iowa St, Colorado & TX Tech in true road games -- they played Texas in Dallas. LSU played Arizona, Miss St, S Carolina, Alabama & Ole Miss on the road.

USC played @ Auburn, Cal, ASU, Washington, Notre Dame & Arizona. Four of SC's road games were sandwiched around a home game v Stanford. I dont think the Sooners or Tigers could have won road games against all of the 1st 5 opponents that the Trojans played on the road this season. Let alone 4 in a 5 week span. LSU & OU in no way played a tougher schedule than SC.

"And, for what it's worth, I think Oklahoma would have WAXED the Trojans if they had made it into the Sugar Bowl. OU's D tees off on pro-style offenses."

Only Auburn & Michigan have been able to hold the Trojans under 30 pts all yr, & those are 2 of SC's most impressive victories. I also couldn't find a single pro-style offense OU has faced this season, so I dont know where you get that insight. This bowl season has shown that the Big 12 teams dont match up well v. the rest of the country. 2 wins, 5 losses & counting!!!

 

[GENO]

OKD I am sure you are looking at First Down's 25-15 K St,Total Yards 378-337 K St Yards Passing 294- 189 K st


HERE ARE THE STATS THAT STAND OUT TO ME:

3rd-Down Efficiency 4-17 6-14 OHIO ST .428% K ST .235

Average gain 4.4 5.3 OHIO ST .9 yards better

Average per rush 2.6 3.7 OHIO ST 1.1 yards better

Yards per pass 5.4 7.9 OHIO ST 2.5 yards better

EFFICIENCY is the key