This is a serious problem

dawgball

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American Consumer Debt

Most of these figures do not include mortgages!

To me, no amount of tax credits or rebates will help this problem. People are simply uneducated as to how finances work. Do not spend more than you bring in. It's very simple, people. I consistantly see people driving brand new to 3 year old cars that are worth (at the time of purchase) more than a third of their home or more -- if they own a home at all. These are the items that make me upset when I see people screaming that the middle class is getting the shaft. You have to learn to live within your means, and you would see how much easier it is to advance financially without the burden of revolving credit debt and depreciating assets (vehicles). I'm a young pup, so I don't claim to know it all. My parents (middle middle class) taught me good lessons about finances, and I still came out of college with hefty credit card bills. I know it's easy to bury yourself, but it's up to every individual to set a plan and strictly follow it to work your way out of it. We can not depend on someone else to give us money.

I hear a lot about tax credits to the middle and lower class would be put directly back into the economy. In my opinion, it would be better served to go directly to their personal debt.

Just an opinion.
 

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A wise old aunt of mines favorite quote was " it's not how much you make, it's how much you save" didn't know what the hell she was talking about back then, but stays with me still today.

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I think this all starts with education in school. If kids had such classes as finance (although some schools do and I mean Jr high and high schools) on how credit cards ACTUALY work, the importance of savings such as 401k plans, etc we would all benefit.

One of My girlfriends kids classes are:

1) Biology (Like this will be used again. :rolleyes: )

2) Weight Training Advanced (He already had weight training 1 and what the hell is the difference. you can only lift so much :D )

3) Algebra 2 (A MUST for all. :rolleyes: )

4) POTTERY??? WTF?!?!??!?!?!?!

5) AUTOMOTIVE TECH?!?! HE Can't fix anything!!!

He asked just yesterday what car we would buy him. (he is 16) His list averages around $30,000+ per car. (YEAH RIGHT!)

He doesn't want to open a savings account (Which we did for him a while back, but he doesn't know)

He lives in a fantasy world and has NO clue on anything to do with money! He works a part time job and blows every cent.


Anyway, if this stuff was taught to him (at least here in Florida crappy schools) MAYBE he would have a clue about the Almighty dollar.

Think we need to rethink what is taught in our schools as a starter!!!!

His twin brother is taking pre-calculus and trig. That should REALLY help him as well. ;) He is also in a fantasy world, just not as bad.

Enough of me rambling on. Just with debt being as high as it is, just wish kids were taught this in school!!

Just my 2 cents.
 

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Dont worry about the middle class. Were being phazed out. Soon to have the rich and the poor and the poorer.
Now I understand to help this along our governmnet and who ever is in charge. I guess Bush. They want to make over 8 milion illegals in this country legal. BS thay got here by being ILLEGAL they remain ILLEGAL and its time to send them home. We have 3 million folks still out of work here that are all LEGAL. We stopped counting the another 2 million that dont get unemplyoment anymore so we cant track them.
Now this is big time problem. If put in to law it's about votes only not what is good for the country.
 

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Yeah, djv. I just can't seem to even walk in Los Angeles anymore without bumping into some illegal alien making $50,000 in an office job.

By and large illegal aliens take jobs that citizens are unwilling to take. And how do you propose we "send them home"?

One last thing. I am not a big bible reader by any means but last I checked, usury was an immoral act. Blame the people who allow usury, not the poor saps who get taken advantage of by it being legal.
 

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djv--please stay out of my post with your nagging bs. This has nothing to do with parties here. As TJ said, this is a country-wide problem that starts with lack of education from the ground floor.

I remember a class in HS that taught kids how to use checks, invest in the stock market, etc. but I didn't take it. I think it was called Home Ec or something, but I don't remember.

Back to djv, if you would take your ****ing blinders and earmuffs off, I said zero about taking tax credits away from those two economic groups. WHAT I SAID is if they were to get them I think a better purpose for them would be to go towards their debt instead of new purchases.

You are one annoying man when it comes to politics. You're like an old fart on a bench that still complains about soda pops being a nickel when he grew up. Get over yourself!
 

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I also this the government should stop (for 1 year) giving foreign countries loans/aid (unless maybe a disaster) and stop aliens from coming into this country.

We need to take care of ALL the United States citizens first. Revamp high school ciriculum,teach finance, and lower unemployment!

Once the unemployment and debt rate decrease, then we can go back to business as usual.

Who knows. Just my opinion!

Donna's 2 kids think money grows on trees. DUH!
 

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Dawgball I did start another thread. However in the text of this thread. Since out government runs huge IOU's that you and I will get to pay for soon. What does that teach our kids. For that matter anyone. Just go in the hole. If you cant dig your way out claim Bankruptcy. Poor getting poorer. You can see it happening.
I agree education should start at home. But when the leaders of your country say go ahead spend all you want. Well it's not a very good sign. In fact our government with there little tax cut almost told folks go spend that money. Don't take care of your bills. So your right a huge problem.
 

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TJ--but didn't you when you were a teenager? I, for one, didn't know that when my dad came home dirty every day that directly translated into me having food on the table that night. I just thought he was doing what dads do.:shrug:

I can't comment on the foreign aid. I feel like it's necessary in today's world. I'm sure there are better ways to do things, but that is not the President's decision (even though he gets the blame when things go wrong--regardless of party). He (whoever he may be at the time) has to make people happy, and there are some things that I will never understand.
 

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djv

djv

yesterday the headline on many websights was a speech in which Bush announced that we have to change the way our country spends money.
 

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dawgball said:
TJ--but didn't you when you were a teenager? I, for one, didn't know that when my dad came home dirty every day that directly translated into me having food on the table that night. I just thought he was doing what dads do.:shrug:


I didn't have a clue either. My Dad worked 2 full time jobs for 20+ years :eek: and my Mom worked full time. She did ALL the cooking and cleaning!

Now, my Dad is 73 and my Mom 70. My Mom & Dad are retired, NOW he does ALL the cooking AND cleaning, rides his bike 20+ miles per day :eek: while my MOM works 2 jobs. :shrug: Go figure!

Reversal of jobs. He has NO desire to ever work again and my Mom LOVES working.

I KNOW THE VALUE OF A DOLLAR NOW But did not when I was a kid. Just wish this shit was taught in ALL schools!
 

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just to throw this out:

many people think that the more credit cards they have, the better their credit rating will be. that's false, it's the complete opposite. the more credit cards you have hurts your credit rating.
 

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Nick Douglas said:
Yeah, djv. I just can't seem to even walk in Los Angeles anymore without bumping into some illegal alien making $50,000 in an office job.

By and large illegal aliens take jobs that citizens are unwilling to take.
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Nick

when was the last time a citizen refused a 50K office job ?:shrug:



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djv--please stay out of my post with your nagging bs.
You are one annoying man when it comes to politics. You're like an old fart on a bench that still complains about soda pops being a nickel when he grew up. Get over yourself!
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sorry djv but that is kinda funny.
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dawgball

I remember a class in HS that taught kids how to use checks, invest in the stock market, etc. but I didn't take it. I think it was called Home Ec or something, but I don't remember
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You are right about this being in schools. This should be required for every student and get more involved with household finance
every year.

Kids will learn if you tell them they can be comfortable if they follow these lessons.

good thread dawg

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