How many AFC champoinships was Peyton Manning in before this year?Does this make him an underachiever?Blocking and d sure helps,huh?Archie Manning must have really sucked,the best he ever did was go 8-8 once.Did Dan Fouts ever go to a Super Bowl?John Brodie?Why is there no thread saying Trent Green is a no account underachiever by some disgruntled KC fan?Is Jake Plummer an underachiever?Why no threads at MJ's about him?.Did you ever hear some say those guys were underachievers?Hell no,and they weren't.Ahh but they're not black QBs,are they?Its a team game,the team loses and the team wins.Wilt was twice the individual player Bill Russell was,(I watched them play countless times as a boy) but the Celtics had the much better teams until '67.Why is it the Black QBs fault that their team didn't go to the SB?Why is it there are people here at MJ's running down McNabb and McNair as stupid and underachievers?Was Brady an underachiever last year when they lost to the Raiders,is he the sole reason the "Pats" win or lose?(He's slower than catshit in January thats for sure.)No,I'll bet you think its probably a team loss in his case.I played every game of varsity football I was eligible for in as a D.Tackle in college and high school and at least was invited to a pro camp with the N.Y.Giants,(long enough to know I didn't want to make a living that way.)I know football,and don't give all the credit or blame to the qb for the result of every game,or even every play,like you obviously do.How many of the incomplete passes were plays where he was getting rid of the ball due to great pass rushes/poor blocking?How many incomplete passes were balls that had to be thrown away because his receivers couldn't get open or ran the wrong route or didn't pick up the audible that they'd praticed all week?Are those incompletions the fault of the QB or some other player?Whoever wins next week the qb probably just had to throw his jock out on the field to do so.No one blocks for him,has to run or catch the football for him.No one plays defense for his team or even kicks off or kicks FGS or coaches them either.Nope,the losing QB's were unprepared,underachieving losers,the winners Gods from Mt.Olympus,until one of them loses the SuperBowl the next week,that is.NcNabbs offense isn't exactly Air Coryell,his receivers are undistinguished,as is the o line.Maybe,just maybe, they could have been beaten by a better team in the two previous NFC championship games.They won't have that problem this week,but that suspect Philly running D would really have me worried if I were a fan of the Eagles,and not a handicapper.Hope I made my point clear,it wasn't exactly the one you were making Shamrock.