Best and Worst Presidents of the USA

Master Capper

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Lately I have been getting into reading bio's of the past president's and since I have now completed reading about each one here is how I would rate the Presidents:

Worst
1.Warren Harding-Republican
2. William Howard Taft-Republican
3. Calvin Coolidge-Republican
4. James Carter-Dem
5. Richard Nixon-Republican
6. Andrew Johnson-National Union Party
7. Benjamin Harrison-Republican
8. Franklin Pierce-Dem
9. George W. Bush-Republican
10. James Buchanan-Dem

Best
1. Andrew Jackson-Dem
2. Abraham Lincoln-Rep
3. Woodrow Wilson-Dem
4. FDR-Dem
5. Teddy Roosevelt-Republican
6. George Washington-Federalist
7. Thomas Jefferson-Multi party
8. James Polk-Democrat
9. Harry Truman-Democrat
10. Dwight Eisenhower-Republican
 

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at least u didn't put JFK number 1. I haven't researched this as you have, but I would put FDR near the top of my list as well. I think I would ad US Grant to the worst list as well as WJ Clinton.

Curious, what did you find so appealing about Andrew Jackson and Woodrow WIlson?
 

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gridiron,

JFK is in the top ten in most historians ratings of the presidents, I dont rank him because he just didnt have enough time to implement everything he wanted to do. Reagan, was a good president but was brutal in economics.


Rex:
Nixon would of been a top ten president if not for Watergate.

Six-Five
While Andrew Jackson is usually rated around 10th in historians polls on the best presidents, I found in my readings that this was one tough SOB. He was the first pres to be elected by a overwhelming number of commoners, before that most presidents were from elite families and really had little care for the commoners. Jackson was a soldier in the American Rev at age 13, and at age 14 he was captured by the British and put in prison in SOuth Carolina. Jackson was a self made man, he educated himself, he married a woman but he was unaware that she was still married, thus this led to many hostile attacks on him from other politicans, it came to a point where he killed another man in a duel over this. Jackson was a General in the World of 1812 sort of like a rogue General as he wanted to take over Canada after defeating the British, he earned the nickname Old Hickory during the War of 1812.


Wilson
Lowered tariff rates and established a federal income tax with the Underwood Tariff of 1913.
Established the Federal Reserve System in 1914 to supervise and regulate banks.
Asked Congress to declare war on Germany on April 2, 1917, after many diplomatic attempts to end World War I.
Signed peace treaty with Germany to end World War I in 1919.
Received the 1919 Nobel Peace Prize for efforts to end World War I and to establish the League of Nations.
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master capper,

thanks for an interesting thread.


i haven't researched any of the presidents & don't really rember the bio's on these men, but i have some thoughts.

while andrew jackson was an interesting man, i wouldn't rank him in the top 10 best only because he believed in cronyism(sp?). from what i remeber from my readings is that jackson hired people based solely on friendship & not ability.

i also wouldn't list george w. bush among the worst. the u.s. suffered it's biggest catastrophic incident in it's history in the beginning of his presidency. this caused a chain reaction to a whole slew of events, which i don't think he should be blamed. i think because of 9/11 his evaluation should be put off to his second term. imo, if he has a second term & the war on terrorism goes the way i think it will go, historians will show him to be a great president. but only time will tell.

my list of great presidents in no particular order are:

george washington
thomas jefferson
abraham lincoln
fdr
harry truman

worst presidents:

calvin coolidge
jimmy carter
jimmy carter
jimmy carter
jimmy carter
 

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WE can only hope the best is still to come.
Ike I just loved that man. What he did for everyone in WWll is unlikely to be repeated.
 

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master-fantastic thread, I commend you for studying your countries leaders, time well spent I'm sure.

While residing in Massachusetts, it would be difficult for me to draft a list without Kennedy appearing somewhere in Top10, all joking aside the man did lots for his country.

Although I voted for him I'm in agreement Reagan isn't deserving of top 10, the 300 + employees under his command that resigned, were fired, indicted and convicted was enough alone to keep him off any list. Meese, Poindexter Casey, anyone remember these folks??

Hard to argue Ford or Carter being on worst list, hard to find anyone alive that would have anything negative to say about either guy personally, there is something to be said about that, but neither was a good president, that's for sure.

Washington & Jefferson, founding fathers. You could make a valid case there would be no United States without the existence of either of these great men. You could easily argue without Washingtons stubborn war efforts we could never have been victorious in Revolution. Jefferson architect of the Constitution is probably one of the smartest and greatest of all Americans.

Although nowhere near the same class of leader or president, I find it interesting most of those that love beating on Clinton for his sexual exploits, generally as they should, list Washington & Jefferson as the great fathers of the country that they are.

Washington died of venereal disease. And Jefferson s slave bore several of his children.

Fdr & Eisenhower 2 of my favorites
 

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Clinton

Clinton

He really put us in the hoe............legal sex for him and illegal for u? highest tax in history? waste gov funds ? biggest tax break for corp. business ? and more ................................
 

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shamrock,

jefferson was an interesting man. he owned slaves & probably slept with quite a few of the woman slaves, yet was, as you said, one of the architects of the constitution ("all men are created equal). i wonder how he justified this in his mind.

i read that the leaders of this country wanted to refer of him as a king, instead of president, but washington strongly objected.
 

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funny shamrock.

funny shamrock.

you mention the fellows from reagan`s administration that fell into ill repute.......yet no mention at all of clinton`s foibles....and believe me ,i was dead set against the whole lewinsky thing....a joke....

but....

The White House?s requisition of 900 FBI files, many on prominent Republicans, and the IRS?s constant auditing of Clinton?s political enemies............ Clinton?s infidelity(not the infidelity so much as the lying under oath and parsing of the truth) and subsequent disbarment and impeachment were hardly things to be proud of.....

if you are to give clinton credit(as i think you must)for the economic turn around and the deficit erasure,then,you surely must credit reagan for the end of the cold war.....

maybe the biggest accomplishment of our lifetime...

let`s not let our biases get in the way of an honest discussion...
 
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AR182 said:
while andrew jackson was an interesting man, i wouldn't rank him in the top 10 best only because he believed in cronyism(sp?). from what i remeber from my readings is that jackson hired people based solely on friendship & not ability.

I took a class called the Age of Jefferson and Jackson in college and studied quite a bit on him. I love Jackson for a lot of things, but what you said there was dead on. The inventor, so to speak, of the Spoils System. Rewarding people with positions based their loyalty to him and not if they were qualified.


From college I actually know quite a bit about a lot of Presidents, especially the ones leading up to Lincoln. However, I don't know anything about Carter, which is kind of funny considering he was the guy in office when I was born. Why was he so bad? I'm not saying he wasn't- like I said, I just don't know anything about him.
 

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Shamrock Reagan was good and I agree not top 10. Partly for what you said. And another couple of things. Mr north and the mess he left Bush 41 with. A Deficit and economy going down hill that cost bush 41 his second term. He could not make up the differance he was left with. Reagan how ever does get credit for picking up the ball where Kennedy left it getting the commies to say uncle. The first step was that missile crises. It showed a crack was starting. The next was our pride of Kennedy bold moved to win race to the moon. That was crack number 2. We sat for afew years. Then Reagan nailed the final crack. But just not enough for top 10.
 

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i certainly didn`t expect djv

i certainly didn`t expect djv

to rate reagan in the top 10...to ideologically prejudiced....

the nation was in a funk when reagan became president....he renewed the feeling of patriotism and brought the country back to the leadership role in the free world...

when reagan was elected,we had double digit inflation, 21 percent interest rates, a Soviet bear on the prowl, an energy crisis, hostages in Iran.......it wasn`t pretty...

and i`m not saying that he ended the cold war by himself....there was much help....margaret thatcher,vaclav havel,lech walesa,the pope.......and gorbachev......

but,i believe he deserves high marks...i`m sure some honestly disagree....
 

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garden, I think you are assuming I hold president Clinton in higher regard than I actually do. I don't think, nor did I write that Clinton belongs in the top 10.

I think he was a average president at best, although I do think that whole sexual inquiry was way way overblown LoL. As I pointed out with Washington & Jefferson extra marital sex is nothing new to our American culture or for that matter probably any culture. Politics & sex I'm sure have a mixed history throughout mankind. As I stated earlier, I simply don't think errors in this area affect a leaders ability to lead or be great. I think Washington s & Jefferson s importance to this nation far outweighed their inarguable extra marital flaws. Again I do not think Clinton is anywhere near the class of Jefferson or Washington, as I stated previously. However I believe afar to much of the nations energy was spent "literally", researching his sexual actions. Again I don't believe Clinton worthy of top 10 status, but I do think the the level of bashing was a little extreme regarding sex. And as I stated I find it interesting usually those that bash Clinton hardest are ignorant or non caring about Washington & Jefferson s sexual actions.

Your correct I consider Reagan instrumental in the Fall of communism, although I believe communism itself was failing, but Reagan should be commended to his credit.

I guess every man has his beliefs garden, personally I think Nixon ranks higher than Reagan. Truthfully I think what Reagan pulled was worse than Nixon, that's only me. My personal belief.
To me a administration purposely circumventing Congress and selling weapons to a hostile country is a extremely serious situation. Again its only my belief, that's all just my personal opinion.

Best
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***Master Capper introduced a terrific topic, followed by several good, thought-provoking replies. I'd like to add some comments on Master Capper's lists. I wish to preface my comments by saying that, according to my definition, each President should be judged according to his contributions while in office, rather than his appeal, or lack of appeal, over a lifetime. After all, the category is "best" and "worst" Presidents.


Worst
1.Warren Harding-Republican
***I agree, this is the worst President in history. His adminstration was rocked by scandal and he left absolutely no lasting contribution to the office or country.

2. William Howard Taft-Republican
***Strongly disagree. Taft was a brilliant man who presided over one of the most turbulent times in US history. The early 20th century marked the time of more technoligical advancement and "progress" than any period in US history. While Taft was not as revolutionary in his thinking as his predessor TR, Taft was an effective, and decent President.

3. Calvin Coolidge-Republican
***Strongly disagree. The economy was rolling along in the 1920s. In fact, the 1924-1928 period was one of the most dynamic in US history. Despite Prohibition (which created massive criminal enterprises), America grew and prospered under Coolidge. He may deserve some demerits for not forseeing the stock market crash, but he was hardly alone in his lack of foresight. Coolidge was average, but not one of the worst.

4. James Carter-Dem
***Total Agreement. Carter was a honest, likeable man -- but a horrible President. His failures in office cut acorss every issue -- economics, foreign policy, and so forth. Completely inept as a world leader.

5. Richard Nixon-Republican
***Disagree. Nixon deserves lots of criticism for his scandalous behavior and toying with the US Constitution. But his first term (1969-1972) was brilliant, and possibly saved the nation from being overthrown. Remember that 1968 was a time when this country was exploding, with riots, protests, and a war where 500,000 troops were in Vietnam.. He inherited a nation in complete turmoil, and by the end of his first term, the US was a better, stronger nation. Nixon was a master of foreign policy, and accomplished great things with Detente, Red China, and the Middle East. We agree that the period 1973-74 was one of the worst of all time, but his first four years should be included and make his overall Presidency one of accomplishment.

6. Andrew Johnson-National Union Party
***Interesting comments above about Johnson. I've seem some historical docu-dramas that depict Johnson as a victim, but I'll pass on judgment, since I know little about his Presidency.

7. Benjamin Harrison-Republican
***Fine.

8. Franklin Pierce-Dem
***Fine.

9. George W. Bush-Republican
***Fine.

10. James Buchanan-Dem
***Fine.


Best
1. Andrew Jackson-Dem
***Jackson the best President in history? Isn't this a bit of a reach?

2. Abraham Lincoln-Rep
***I'd list him #1, but we generally agree. One side note that should be mentioned is that had a few Civil War events changed in the later part of 1863, Lincoln would NOT have been re-elected in 1864 and very likley would have gone down as the WORST President in US history. So, that shows how popwerful his 1863-1865 accomplishments were.

3. Woodrow Wilson-Dem
***General agreement here. Wilson was a man of great vision and was a leader and educator. Too bad there are no WW figures in American politics today.

4. FDR-Dem
***Over-rated in my view, his reputation was saved by WW2. Had there been no war, I'm no sure FDR would be on this list. Keep in mind that in 1940 (SEVEN years after he'd been elected President) unemployment was just as high as in 1933. So, his domestic policies were, in many cases, disastrous. Longivity (four terms) does NOT equal greatness.

5. Teddy Roosevelt-Republican
***A progressive man with bold new ideas in a very difficult period in history. Arguably the first "populist" President with the welfare of the common man in mind when making executive decisions. Top three, in my view.

6. George Washington-Federalist
***No argument.

7. Thomas Jefferson-Multi party
***No argument. If this list were to include lifetime acheivemant, Jefferson is #1.

8. James Polk-Democrat
***No opinion.

9. Harry Truman-Democrat
***Strong disagreement. I love Harry Truman's style and attitude. However, his years as President were not particularly noteworthy. He inherited command of the most powerful nation on earth, and by the end of his Presidency, the economy was stalling, we were engaged militarily in Korea, the Cold War was in full bllom. Frankly, he accomplished very little while in office.

10. Dwight Eisenhower-Republican
***Disagreement. Eisenhower was asleep at the wheel most of his Presidency. No doubt, this was a time of peace and prosperity -- but Eisenhower was hardly a national leader in terms of social policy, economics, or in foriegn policy. A very average President who was fortunate to preside over America's easiest eight-year period.

-- ND
 

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The richest presidents
Rank Name Party Term
1. George Washington Federalist 1789-1797
2. John F. Kennedy Democrat 1961-1963
John F. Kerry* Democrat NA
3. Andrew Jackson Democrat 1829-1837
4. Lyndon B. Johnson Democrat 1963-1969
5. Herbert Hoover Republican 1929-1933

* Candidate. NA: not applicable.

Sen. Kerry, like the last JFK from Massachusetts to serve as commander in chief, is also extremely wealthy. We estimate his family fortune at $525 million, which would make him, if elected, the third-richest president ever. But the key word is "family." The Kerry money comes from his wife, Theresa Heinz Kerry, who inherited it from her late husband, Sen. John Heinz III of the Heinz food family.

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I guess I could of broke this down by categories of achievments per president and we could of narrowed the list down, I just based my top and bottom after reading bio's on each president. In general most historians rate Abe Lincoln as Uno and Warren Harding as the worst, William Jefferson Clinton is usually ranked around the mid teens.
 
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