monday ncaa (air force/byu) ...........

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posting this one early because i dont think this line will be available on monday. maybe im dead wrong, but even if im stuck with this line, im more than content because i think this one will be a double-digit win. another rare chalk, but a winner in my opinion.

byu (-5.5) over air force

lots of angles favor byu here.

*big time revenge in this one as air force ripped byu a new ass last month in a 77-52 win.

*byu starting to turn the corner and play up to their preseason mountain west #1 billing.

*air force has been getting smashed on the boards lately and i dont think they will be able to handle byu's size.

*very much worth noting: air force coming off an emotional last-second win on the road in utah saturday where they were playing from behind the ENTIRE game and won the game with free throws with less than a second left.

i think byu is just waiting to lay it on the falcons on monday night.
 

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It stood out to me too. Air Force cannot rebound, and although that's partly the fault of the system they play, BYU should kill them on the glass. Off that emotional win at Utah, this is just the toughest of spots for the Falcons. I hate chalk too, but see this one as a blowout.
 

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I was just crunching some numbers and I think you are onto something here - especially with those rebounding stats.

BYU is hitting their stride, and I'd have to think this is a game they have been waiting for.

GL with the play.
 

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youre right about the actual air force rebounding numbers being partly a product of their system. theres just not a lot of rebounds to be had in their half-court game. it seems that every game of theirs that i watch, theyre getting "out-jumped" and teams get lots of 2nd chances. its the offensive glass that they get smashed on. byu is solid on the offensive glass.

by the way: st.joes at rhode island this week :eek: :eek: :eek:
im ready for a great game
 

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Thanks for the heads up!

Take a look @Nova-'Cuse

Think 'Cuse gets beat here, not enough offense to keep up with Nova. Warrick is wearing down and GMAC is not the same shooter he was. He doesn't like having to play piont. They barely beat GT and they got beat by the depleted Johnies!!!
 

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In 13 home games, BYU Avg margin of victory is 20.3 pts with a record of 12-0. BYU has won 60 of their last 61 home games. All of AF losses this year have come on the road. If I see the steam coming in heavy on AF tomorrow I'll really be interested
 
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THE DAILY HERALD

In case you haven?t noticed, no one seems too concerned about BYU?s mental toughness these days.

Questions about the defense have disappeared.

No one appears real worried about feeding the post.

All of those issues that hovered over BYU while it wrestled its way through a 2-4 Mountain West start look like they?ve been resolved. The Cougars are making the plays when they must. They?re holding opponents to respectable shooting clips. They?re finding scoring whenever they need it.

And, not so coincidentally, BYU won its fifth straight game Saturday night, 88-71 over New Mexico before a season high 18,367 in the Marriott Center.

Four Cougars, led by center Rafael Araujo?s 18 points, scored in double figures. Guard Mike Hall and forward Mark Bigelow had 16 apiece. Despite foul trouble that hindered BYU?s starting power forward, Garner Meads, and his backup, Jake Shoff, the Cougars held New Mexico?s Danny Granger to season lows in points, nine, and rebounds, three.

With the win, BYU (17-7, 7-4 MWC) catches Utah, which lost to Air Force on Saturday, at second place in the league. BYU remains three games behind first-place Air Force in the loss column. The Falcons (19-4, 9-1) play at BYU on Monday (8:30 p.m., UPN).

?You don?t win five in a row in the league without doing something right,? said BYU coach Steve Cleveland. ?You can always play better. But we have a lot of different people contributing. That?s what I like.?

After New Mexico took a 17-10 lead, BYU reeled off a 22-6 run to take control.

New Mexico climbed back to within five points at halftime. But BYU opened the second half with an 18-4 run that included nine points from Bigelow. New Mexico (13-10, 4-6) never threatened again.

New Mexico rarely sees a 3-point shot it doesn?t like. Of its 56 field goal attempts Saturday, 32 came from behind the arc. New Mexico hit 14 of them, including 7-for-15 in the first half when the Lobos stayed close. New Mexico shot 23-for-56 from the field.

Cleveland said that at halftime, he challenged his players to go over, not under, screens. He also wanted BYU?s big men to provide more help on the pick-and-rolls New Mexico was setting.

?It?s hard when a 6-foot-9 post guys whacks you with a screen and your post guy just watches,? Cleveland said.

The results worked for BYU. The Cougars defended the perimeter better, especially Javin Tindall, who leads the MWC in 3-pointers. BYU built a 25-point lead in the second half. New Mexico still managed to hit seven 3s after the break, but most came after BYU had taken a comfortable lead.

Cleveland said BYU?s foul trouble forced his hand, meaning he had to put Hall on Granger. Even that worked out well for the Cougars.

?Mike Hall played an outstanding game,? Cleveland said.

BYU shot 60 percent on the night, but 68 percent after halftime. Araujo?s 18 points came on only 13 shots. The Cougars didn?t need the mental resolve they showed in their past four games, but that?s only because they jumped on New Mexico early in the second half and put the game away.

Indeed, BYU seems to have solved many of those problems in January. The question is, with a team coming to Provo on Monday that embarrassed the Cougars last month, how much better can they play?

?I think we can still play better,? Hall said. ?We made a lot of mistakes on defense. Offensively we played real well tonight, but defensively we have a lot of stuff to work on. Like, giving up open shots. (New Mexico) hit seven 3s in the first half.?

?I would hope,? said Bigelow, when asked if BYU is playing it?s best basketball now. ?You better be at this point of the season.?

Tip-ins: New Mexico tied a program record with its 25th straight loss outside of Albuquerque. ... BYU won its 16th straight and 60th in its past 61 home games. ... Bigelow moved to within 19 points of Kenneth Roberts for eighth place all-time on BYU?s scoring list.
 

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Apparently, some of the BYU Cougars just don't care anymore. Couldn't give a hoot. And that's a good thing.

Oh, they care about some things. Like winning. And playing tough defense. And executing their offense. You know, the important things.

But the things BYU used to care about, the things that were tearing them apart earlier in the MWC season, they aren't so important anymore. Things like, "Am I getting my minutes?" or "If I shoot this and miss, will coach yank me?"

Last week, after Kevin Woodberry made Wyoming point guard Jay Straight look like Jay Leno in a BYU win, he responded to inquiries about his shooting touch (he missed 2-of-9 shot attempts in the game), and displayed his all-new don't-care attitude.

"Coach ? his thinking of it is he wants to play me at the two so I can shoot more, but then he doesn?t let me shoot," Woodberry told The Daily Herald. "As of late, I?m just going to go out and play and take the shots that I feel are good shots. If I get yanked, I get yanked. If I don?t, I don?t."

What a welcome change. I'm not saying that BYU's players should just go out and throw up whatever shot they want wherever they find themselves on the court, but at the same time, you've got to play your game. And earlier in the season, BYU wasn't doing that. They were worrying about their misses and whether they should still be shooting (Mark Bigelow) or fussing about their minutes and why they can't shoot more (Woodberry). But finally, a welcome change. And it couldn't have come at a better time.

The important thing to note here is that Woodberry is still playing within the context of BYU's offense. The difference between earlier in the season and in recent games is when within that offense, Woodberry finds himself open for a 3, he's not hesitating anymore. He's firing it up with confidence. Sometimes it doesn't work, like on Saturday when he missed seven times. But more often, it is working, like on Monday night.

After the win on Saturday, Woodberry made a pointed guarantee.

"Hey, I was gunning (Saturday)," he said. "I had some good looks ... I?ll make those at Colorado State."

And he did.

Woodberry took his shots within the flow of the offense and nailed some big shots, including a huge 3 with about four minutes left that all but sealed the deal for BYU. He finished 2-of-5, including 2-for-4 on 3s against Colorado State.

It's all about confidence. And deciding you don't really care anymore about all the little mind games. I love Woodberry's attitude. "I'm going to play my game, and if I get yanked, I get yanked."

Speaking of confidence and a newfound, improved attitude, senior Mark Bigelow has finally broken free of the doldrums he was mired in earlier in the season. He's finally the senior leader this team desperately needs. Rafael Araujo may be BYU's best player, but Bigelow's leadership, and ability to hit the 3, are invaluable.

Not that Bigelow has been shooting really well. He's still struggling. But he's taking those shots with confidence now. They'll start falling soon. And if you've noticed, in the past several games, whenever BYU needed a big bucket, Bigelow stepped up, whether it was getting to the free-throw line late against UNLV at home, or hitting the big jumper late against San Diego State. Bigelow has been clutch.

Bigelow doesn't seem to be worrying anymore about his mantle as senior leader or the shoes of Travis Hansen that he struggles to fill. He's accepted what he can contribute to this team and he's doing that.

He stopped caring about the trivial things.

The best side-effect of these changes are the results on the court. BYU is winning again and playing as well as they have all season. The Cougars' win in Colorado State was huge. Colorado State was healthy and complete, and so they were a very good team. And BYU handled them on the road.

That's got to make any BYU fan happy.

So, now it's all in BYU's hands. This team can win its last four MWC games. Three more games at home, that despite being against quality opponents (New Mexico, Air Force and Utah) are all winnable. And one tough road game against UNLV.

With an RPI in the low 40s, and sure to creep higher if BYU keeps winning, BYU has a pretty good chance at an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament if they can reach 20 wins. A second consecutive trip to the NCAA's? Now that's something to play for.
 

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THE DAILY HERALD

Sorry that you had to pay whatever the standard rate is for this Sunday paper (I get mine for free, you know).

No news here to report.

Not from the Marriott Center last night, anyway, where it was just your typical Saturday night at the road-game slaughterhouse. In the Mountain West Conference, there is now a standard formula for this, represented in the formula: Home Team = W; Road Team= L.

New Mexico played here last night and did the most dignified thing it could think of. The Lobos gave BYU a tough first half, hit some 3-pointers, kept the momentum from getting off-kilter, then did what most teams do. Cheap tents have nothing on the fold jobs teams do in this conference when they?re on the road.

People talk lots about BYU?s tournament chances. They seem to be improving now that the Cougars are stringing together some victories. This is the longest in-conference winning streak under coach Steve Cleveland. And it comes with a time-worn formula of its own. Shots are falling. The defense is sturdy. Somehow, someway, Jake Shoff doesn?t look so ridiculous with that headband anymore.

But enough about Shoff, who, we should be fair, was productive again.

However, the thought of these home wins being big is way off. Well, sort of. BYU, now 17-7 and 7-4 (tied for second with Utah) in the conference standings, obviously needs any wins they can get. But I?d argue they would be better off having a few more games remaining away from BYU, even though wins would be tougher to come by.

That would be a way to make a name for themselves to the NCAA selection committee.

Move the Air Force game Monday back to Colorado Springs, Colo. Get that game next Monday against the Utes back to Salt Lake City, and give the Cougars a chance to re-do that miserable second half from the first go-around.

Then finish off at UNLV, as regularly scheduled. It?s the only way to go. Wins in a team?s own arena are just too hard, like any winner of American Idol, to take seriously.

Winning at home, schminning at home. No big deal. It?s like if you travel for business, home is terrific. The bed is just right. Stumbling through the dark at night never happens, because your body just knows the way.

It?s the road, the grind, where basketball legends are made.

We?re about to see a legend Monday night, when Air Force comes to town. The Falcons have plenty of reasons to create amazement. They?re 19-4. They?re undefeated at home in five conference games.

But what really stands out is the mark, in conference, away from home: 4-1 after upsetting Utah on Saturday afternoon.

Now that?s news.

The rest of it is senseless jumbalaya.

New Mexico, by the way, dropped to 13-10 overall and 4-6 in MWC games. Wanna know how many of those were road wins?

Three guesses.

Zero.

Zilch.

Nada.

Yes, 0-5 away from the Pit. Now that?s the pits.

That?s bogey for the course. But par isn?t that hot, either. Without including two West Coast games from Saturday night, road teams are 9-31 in conference this year.

So there?s really only one thing to do: Call Air Force, get a flight back to Colorado and hoop it up.

For BYU, and by this conference?s standards, it?s the only way a win would really mean something.
 

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By DOUG ALDEN
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SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - Joel Gerlach made two free throws after being fouled on a layup attempt with 1.4 seconds remaining to lift Air Force to a 59-57 victory over Utah on Saturday, giving the Falcons their first ever season sweep of the Utes.


Air Force rallied from an eight-point halftime deficit and increased its lead in the Mountain West Conference by winning in Salt Lake City for the first time in 15 years. The Falcons (19-4, 9-1) last won at Utah on Jan. 26 1989, beating the Utes 67-57.


Utah (19-7, 7-4) led most of the second half, but Air Force battled back and won in the thrilling finish after Utah unsuccessfully went for the final shot.


Nick Jacobson, who led the Utes with 22 points, gave Utah a 54-53 lead with a jumper from the top of the key, but Air Force came right back and regained the lead on a layup by Gerlach.







Utah regained the momentum on the next possession, working the ball around to the right corner where Jacobson hit a 3-pointer with about a minute remaining to give Utah a 57-55 lead, but the Utes couldn't hang on to the lead.


Nick Welch tied it on two free throws with 37.1 seconds left, then Utah stalled and tried the last shot. The strategy failed when Drisdom missed a layup and the rebound kicked out to midcourt, where Gerlach picked up the loose ball and took it in for a layup attempt. He missed, but was fouled by Drisdom with 1.4 seconds left.


The officials took several minutes to decide on the call before Gerlach went to the line, where he was booed loudly but calmly hit both shots. Utah didn't get a shot off after the inbounds pass and the Falcons became the first visitor to win at the Huntsman Center this season.


Gerlach finished with 15 points, Antoine Hood scored 13 and A.J. Kuhle had 12 points for Air Force, which won despite being outrebounded 29-15.


Andrew Bogut had 15 points and seven rebounds, but he and Jacobson were the only Utes to score in double figures.


Utah recovered from a slow start, then took a 32-24 halftime lead after Jacobson scored 12 points to lead the Utes on a 17-4 run. Air Force had gone back up 20-15 after the Utes had tied the game at 15-all when Jacobson started the Utah rally with two free throws and a 3-pointer to tie it at 20.


After a block by Tim Frost, Richard Chaney gave Utah its first lead with a jumper in the lane, then Jacobson added a pair of long jumpers. Frost put Utah ahead 29-24 on a three-point play with 52.8 seconds remaining, then Jacobson hit a 3-pointer just before the buzzer.
 

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opened at 5.5 and 5 at 2 places out here one lines come from reno and another from vegas and was bet down to 4.5 early on, that to me is a classic set up move for a big bang before 7:05 am out here when the reno book opens up, if they get it pushed down anymore they might hit it before but only have a few hours left to do that at the one , just came back and was still there but-115 now the other is at 5 that opened at 5.5, could be wrong but i say no later then 730 am it will shot to at least 6.5, then will se line games all day with these 2 books, not a strip book either one, strip books suck for the most part, even the stardust is not going to be incharge of lines since the merger with coast ltd, the lines are going to be ran by the odds maker from coast insted of boyd gamming, also stardust will most likely be imploaded within a year since the merger and all the land the stardust sets on, becuase it is right across from wynns new to be opened best mega resort on the strip and the stardust would be a dive, so the money from merger and coast will start from ground up and have their own mega resort , they have more then enough land where stardust sets and once the wynn resort opens no-one will stay at the stardust and coast really knows what they are doing, so is cheaper to impload and build then to try to upgrade and add on, this is more then just a rumor it will happen, and coast will not wait long to do it once the game plan is in place and boyd shareholders made a nice profit on the merger so they have little to no say and even if they did they know that once the new top mega resort opens up across the street the stardust would look like a red roof inn ran down from no upkeep compaired to what will open across the street, a place will not stay just because of a name of a sports book, which is all the stardust really is anymore, sports book does not pay the bills, people pumping money into machines and tables as well as occ rate does, so you will see a mega resort on that property that will bring in people who stay not people to go to a sports book.

You are right on gman IMO it will go to at leat 6.5 by game time maybe 7.

Good Luck on it, if byu gets up early and starts to run the flyboys will be in trouble, and the tall trees of byu will just crush the boards all night in this game, af has one chance get out early and slow slow slow the game to a snails movement and don't think that is going to happen, you could take byu and ov or if you think af cover go with af and under for a 2 teamer because it would be very slim chances to see byu and un win or af and ov win.

Have a good week

Eric
 

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In Short
10:30 PM ET W / L ATS H A N CONF AF AA O/U
Air Force 19-4 9-5-0 11-0 8-4 1-0 9-1 60.5 48.7 4-4
Brigham Young 17-7 12-8-0 12-0 5-7 1-0 7-4 73.7 64.7 7-5



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60.3 Pts F
65.0 Pts A
49.8 FG%
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Recent Meetings
Date Home Away Line ATS
1/24/2004 Air F. 74 BYU 52 -1/111 Air F. /O
3/1/2003 Air F. 43 BYU 56 4/N BYU /-
2/3/2003 BYU 65 Air F. 33 -11/N BYU /-
2/18/2002 BYU 67 Air F. 51 -13/N BYU /-
1/21/2002 Air F. 74 BYU 64 6/N Air F. /-
3/8/2001 BYU 69 Air F. 54 -13/118 BYU /O
3/3/2001 Air F. 50 BYU 51 8/N Air F. /-
2/1/2001 BYU 62 Air F. 45 -17.5/N Air F. /-
3/2/2000 BYU 73 Air F. 52 -14/N BYU /-
1/27/2000 Air F. 60 BYU 55 N/N -/-


Air Force: Last 10 Games | Season
Date vs. Score Line ATS Air F. FG Opp FG Reb
2/21/2004 @Utah 59-57 (W) 4.5/103 WO 19/35 19/44 13-26
2/16/2004 @Texas-Pan American 35-37 (L) N/N -- 13/43 15/32 27-19
2/14/2004 New Mexico 51-50 (W) -11/113.5 LU 16/33 17/36 17-23
2/9/2004 Colorado St. 52-44 (W) -14.5/118 LU 15/41 19/46 22-31
2/7/2004 Wyoming 83-71 (W) -11/113 WO 24/36 25/56 20-28
2/2/2004 @UNLV 50-63 (L) -2/122 LU 19/50 24/48 18-39
1/31/2004 @San Diego St. 57-43 (W) -2/118.5 WU 19/42 19/42 22-24
1/26/2004 Utah 62-49 (W) -4/102 WO 21/38 18/35 16-21
1/24/2004 Brigham Young 74-52 (W) -1/111 WO 29/40 16/37 19-19
1/21/2004 Texas A&M - Corpus Christi 61-37 (W) N/N -- 21/49 15/39 23-32



Brigham Young: Last 10 Games | Season
Date vs. Score Line ATS BYU FG Opp FG Reb
2/21/2004 New Mexico 88-71 (W) -12/134.5 WO 30/50 23/56 32-24
2/16/2004 @Colorado St. 79-73 (W) -5/139 WO 28/60 26/53 37-29
2/14/2004 @Wyoming 67-53 (W) -2/140 WU 24/47 22/59 26-34
2/9/2004 San Diego St. 83-69 (W) -11/140 WO 29/61 24/52 35-27
2/7/2004 UNLV 64-61 (W) -8.5/146 LU 21/58 18/51 36-26
1/31/2004 @Utah 56-64 (L) 3.5/123 LU 20/53 25/51 22-31
1/26/2004 @New Mexico 63-65 (L) -3/139 LU 23/52 20/47 32-24
1/24/2004 @Air Force 52-74 (L) 1/111 LO 16/37 29/40 19-19
1/19/2004 Wyoming 78-64 (W) -13/137.5 WO 27/57 23/50 35-28
1/17/2004 Colorado St. 82-53 (W) -16/143 WU 26/54 20/59 42-28
 

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nice job man. early bird gets paid on this one.

been on the wrong side of too many dog collapses. byu really picked it up in the 2h and that crowd helped in a big way

gl tomorrow
 
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