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ctownguy

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Unbelievable, a whinning little ahole like you calling Cheney an idiot. This man has done more to serve this country in his public service and his politcal life than you could ever fathom.

All you do his complain and:cry: and make accusations you can never back up because they aren't true.

The one thing you can be grateful for is in this country you have every right to whin and:cry: like a baby and make yourself look like just what you are, an old fart with his head up his:moon: ;142loser:
 

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As CEO of Halliburten Cheney entered into a contract with Iraq breaking US law. He went into that contract thru a subsidiary of Halliburten to get around the law. The man should be hung for treason in my opinion.
And if anyone of you right wingers can make a connection between Iraq and a threat to our country than you just make the argument against Cheney stronger.
It has nothing to do with Liberals or Conservatives or Dems or Republicans, it yhas to do with the man being a crook.
You like to talk about pardons, how much did it cost US taxpayers for George Sr. to bail out Neil Bush in the S and L scam?
 

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"an old fart with his head up his ass?" Take a look in the mirror.

Going after corporate criminals is fine and dandy, but the fact is both W and Cheney are guilty of corporate crimes in their past. Both shedded their shares before stock prices fell due to restatement (Bush didn't feel the need to even file the proper documentation). Halliburton did business with and in Iraq after the first Gulf War (and it wasn't around the law) and then we get all pissy when French companies do the same thing.

The checks and balances that our nation was founded upon get absolutely exploited by this administration. GAO wants transcripts from Cheney's meetings and he says no. Want a circuit judge appointed, wait until congress is away. Don't want gay marriages, get it into the constitution. Don't want the 9/11 report to come out in an election year, give them the time to "get things right."

What scares me most isn't what has already been done, but what could be done in the next four years when re-election won't be a concern of W's. And THAT is why I don't feel safer then I did before 9/11.
 

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If possible could you provide links on Cheney convictions. I am not saying he is not guilty as I concur to the adage where there is smoke there is fire and it would not surprise me, but to date I can see where he has been charged with anything let alone proven guilty.
enlighten please.

on those not feeling any safer once again I have to assume

that the following is irrelevant:
Stopping the Taliban and terrorist and Bin Laden training there openly
Hussein and sons gone
Lybia opening up to inspection and getting rid of nuclear ventures
Pakistan aiding in fight against terror/and passing of Nuke info to rouge countries curtailed
Saudi's now joining fight--same with Teren and Turkey
Cutting off millions of terrorist funding.
Capturing or killing numerous top terrorst planners
(16 of top 25 wanted terrorist caught in past 3 years)
UBL in hiding and not being able to communicate with Taliban openly as before.
N Korea having to face issues they flagrantly violated in past.
and while on NK--I stated last week in thread they will not get to serious negotions till election results in hopes for Kerry win. Appears today someone else 2nds that opinion.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...=16&u=/nm/20040305/ts_nm/korea_north_kerry_dc

of course I could be wrong thinking these things make a difference--after all we have Slick in the past and Kerry today along with others that eveidently agree these things are not important and make no difference on the U.S. or rest of worlds safety.

today--some more countries and captures making no difference;)

Cairo
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/49BBB84D-FD79-4262-82B9-25B8E2A0CAC0.htm
Yemen
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D1B42547-9F0D-47ED-B103-5B8761C7F547.htm
 
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Good morning, Dogs.

If you are serious, I will provide the links, but I don't have the time to do them now. With all the Sarbanes-Oxley rules that Companies have to comply with, I'm really very busy these days. God bless those who think that they can legislate ethics.

I'll get to you the links before the end of the weekend, if you will read them, but there have been no convictions, so if you would need to see convictions, those aren't out there.

I never felt threatened by any of those countries, however, Do you think that the invasion of Iraq was needed to make this era of "cooperation" happen? At what point can we ever leave? At what point should the citizens be asked to share some of this burden of this war now instead of later?
 

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Maybe you are just upset because you did not buy any stock :D

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Media: To listen to recent media accounts, you would think Halliburton's (HAL) performance in Iraq has been scandalously bad. That charge is closer to libel than the truth.

As with so many other things, the media often take their line on a story and run with it, regardless of the facts. That's exactly what has happened with Halliburton.

It has been pilloried by the media for supposedly overcharging the government, for its alleged sweetheart "no-bid" contracts, for its ties to Vice President ? and former Halliburton CEO ? Dick Cheney, and a long list of other supposed sins.

But, as usual, a look at the facts shows a radically different picture.

Let's focus on just one: Halliburton's performance. Just this week, the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq told the New York Times Iraq is now pumping 2.5 million barrels of oil a day. That compares to 2.8 million barrels before the war.

"We're well ahead of the targets that we set in the aftermath of the war," noted Robert McKee, the retired oil executive in charge of getting Iraq's oil flowing again.

Ahead indeed. Earlier this week, U.S. administrator in Iraq Paul Bremer noted Iraq's electricity output has also reached prewar levels ? and is set to expand rapidly from here, thanks to growing oil output. A huge success story.

And who deserves credit for much of this success? Halliburton Co. It has worked under extraordinarily tight deadlines in a war-damaged nation still wracked by violence to restore that country's energy grid. Yet, you rarely hear of the oil giant's contribution.

Gee, you might start to wonder: Are some Halliburton critics more interested in scoring points against Cheney and the Bush administration than getting Iraq back on its feet?

Which brings up the most irksome part of the charge: That somehow Cheney got Halliburton the Iraq contract, and Halliburton was thus an undeserving political recipient of government largesse.

In fact, Halliburton won its services contract from the Pentagon back in 1992 ? three years before Cheney became CEO. Then-Defense Secretary Cheney wasn't the one who awarded the contract; career Pentagon officials did. This is undisputed.

Why? They needed a company that could rebuild things fast, in a war zone, on an emergency basis. Through competitive bidding, they picked the company with just that expertise.

By the way, Halliburton worked under the same basic deal in the Balkans under President Clinton. Was that also cronyism?

At least investors seem to recognize what's going on. Impressed by the company's performance under fire, they've pushed up Halliburton's share price by 69% since the start of 2002.

That's a sign Halliburton's doing something right ? and that the petty charges now being hurled its way have little substance.
 

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Ryson it was only cronyism for Clinton if he was still getting payed from Hal as Cheney is. His options and stock buy back is all in play. It's in a trust that is ran by his Lawyer. So any inside works Cheney can do to help his firm is a pay off for him. You can see from stock price he's doing well.
 

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--and morning to you Bobby. On that particular I need no links but thanks for offer. I have always figured you as straight shooter and the way you presented it would make me inclined you have done your home work and you are much more familiar with that issue than I. The main reason one party does not go after the other on these pardons is they are all quilty to an extent but collectively all lag behind Slick. His ordeal was of a most unconceivable nature.

----and speaking of stocks I see ASD is at all time high of $112+ as I type and 3 for 1 split approved in Feb. I hope all workers and retirees there vote for Bush as he has more doubled their retirement in 3 years;)
Might be an unpopular move to dis Bush at your next retirement meeting DJV
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djv

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DTB like I said before I was not as greedy as some are. We could have done fine with 95/96 bucks even 100. But to throw over 10000 out of jobs as we did in last three years. Ship another 5/6000 over seas. Not sure what Bush had to do with any of that.
We just cut cost. what many do not know. We have no place else to look. So now we need business to make anymore gains. Right now that is falling off. We will have 3/1 split in May if not earlier. But that may hurt instead of help for a while. And before 2001 if you look back I believe you will see we once had a high of 78 bucks. Then the chit hit the fan and we dropped to low 60's. At one time in 1994 we were at 20. And with Clinton we went to 65. But I wont give him credit because we were just to under valued. So I have seen two 40 buck gains inlast 10 years. We are over priced now. But as long as mutual funds keep buying at the rate they are. We may see 117/120.
 

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I think recent run may have some bearing on their Trane division expanding into Shanghai last month.

I will hang on,unless something pertinent turns bad till June or so--and then will sell along with every other U.S. based stock till after election results and then maybe buy back. I am not getting hung out to dry on onslaught to follow if Kerry gets in.

I anticipate market drop prior to election and then a buyback or freefall depending on outcome.
 

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DTB,

Agree 100% - although keep an eye on the chart, if it starts to level then really think about dumping. I for one am watching this daily. Look what happened to MSO yesterday, it happens quick when it happens - myself I don't see it going past 35....that is my selling point - or if it goes to 30..I am gone. Want to take advantage of those capital gains tax breaks:D
 

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Tara & Ray

Way too soon to commit, but will try and make it. It would be a nice anniversary present for my wife, which on the 14th.

Luv you guys!

the wolf
 

djv

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DTB good plan. I dont like election years much when mixed with stocks. And I'm not sure if it matters who is running. I agree pull some to a safer place late in year. I believe we have to watch our friend Greenspan also starting in December or early next spring. For the moves everyone seems to think will happen. First 50 to 75 points wont hurt much. But any more then that could. That's when the buy back in could be right move with many stocks.
 
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