Bush Re-election Ads

[Eddie Haskell]

Those of you who know me, know that I am not a big fan of President Bush. I am tempering this post without name calling because I want those supporters of Mr. Bush to present arguments in defense of his latest campaign television ads for re-election.

I anticipate you may say the ads are tastefully done and indicate what a steadying force and strong leader Mr. Bush was during a time of crisis. I anticipate that you may further argue the ads remind the country of that tragic day and how we have to ever vigilant in our united fight against terrorism.

No matter what you argue, how do you get around the fact that Mr. Bush is using this horrible event, where nearly 3000 people died, in an effort to secure his re-election? In my view, this man has stooped even lower than I thought he could and believe me, I think he gets below ground.

He is a disgusting human being. I did not understand how any thinking person could have voted for Bush in 2000. Noe, I do not understand how any thinking person could cast a vote for this man after running these ads. I don't care if he pulls them, in my view, they are a glimpse into his soul. What a horrible person.

Ed

 

[Dragon]

I agree.

 

[dawgball]

I think this is the best post I have seen from you, Eddie. While I don't agree, still a great post.

To start I have not seen the commercials, but I will go on the info that you provided about them. Bush is constantly attacked for his efforts post 9/11 (not arguing that Iraq was cause for that event) by his counterparts, so why is it distasteful to defend his actions? I, for one, support our actions in Iraq. I don't think it has been near perfect, and the public relations of the actions have been atrocious; but I don't think that should discount the good that it should bring.

Once I see the commercials, I will comment further. I will say that I am guessing that you would think any Bush ad to be this way due to your previous feelings for the man. Just like I would go into the viewing with a positive attitude.

I can tell you why I voted for Bush in 2000. Al Gore. Plain and simple. For the record, I think it would have been better for the Democratic party if Edwards would have received the nomination this term.

 

[AR182]

eddie,

i haven't seen the ad either, so can't comment directly on it, but i tend to agree with what dawgball said. this tragic event happened during bush's presidency & how he reacted to it & other related events is how his presidency will be evaluated.

here is part of rudy guiliani's comment on this criticism:

The reality is that President Bush played a very, very big role in bringing our country through the worst attack in our history,? Mr Giuliani said.

?So it?s an appropriate thing for him to point out as part of his record, just like Democrats are going to attack parts of his record and say, ?We think it should have been done differently?.?

Mr Giuliani is supporting Mr Bush?s campaign for re-election.

He told CNN: ?It would almost be false to list the challenges that President Bush had to face and not list as one of those challenges the worst attack in this country.?


an ad about a financial institution which shows the 3 firemen raising the american flag should be criticized much more than bush's ad, but isn't. why do you think it isn't?


2 questions for you, ed:

do you think that the dems would show that same type of commercial if the roles were reversed ?

would you have made the same comments if the dems ran that ad ?

the point that i'm trying to make is, that this is the political season, & one side will constantly bitch about what the other side is doing. that is just the way it is during the political season.

 

[ryson]

To start I have not seen the commercials, but I will go on the info that you provided about them.

Here you go: link

 

[djv]

Rudy was the real hero of 9/11. Bush didn't show up till 9/14.
I dont understand wanting to use these pitcures. But at the same time have censorship on the showing and honering of our war dead arriving home to this country at Dover Int'l.

 

[ctownguy]

Thanks for the link ryson

Man eddie you are grasping at straws if you think those ads are inappropriate.

Why not just admit it, as dawg and ar stated, you are on the other side of the fence, way on the other side and your hatred and disgust for President Bush is your problem, but to try and find something as trivial as a campaign ad like this to demean people for President Bush is the tragedy.

These ads just show through a collage what happened that dreadful day along with other very tasteful pictures in the ad, you and your hatred for President Bush has slanted your view of everything, but thats what to expect from a left wing elitist like yourself.

As I stated once before to djv, it will be so satisfying watching Bush get elected for another 4 years, for if nothing else I know it will piss you off to no end and make your life hell

 

[djv]

CTG it will make yours hell to but you may never catch on tills it's tolate. At least I figured it out last year. Even so it took me two years to catch on to what he's upto.

 

[AR182]

djv quote:"CTG it will make yours hell to but you may never catch on tills it's tolate. At least I figured it out last year. Even so it took me two years to catch on to what he's upto."


please tell me what you figured out about bush, that is different from any other politician ?

 

[ctownguy]

LOOK DJV, I DO NOT CLAIM TO KNOW HOW YOUR TWISTED MIND WORKS AND I DON'T CARE TO KNOW. ALL I DO KNOW IS YOU ARE A CONSTANT WHINNER AND PUT DOWN EVERYTHING ABOUT THE RIGHT AND THEN CLAIM TO BE REPUBLICAN. BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER, TO ANSWER YOU POST, IT DOESN'T MAKE ONE IOTA OF DIFFERENCE TO ME ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK PRESIDENT BUSH DID OR DID NOT DO OR IS GOING TO DO.

THE ONLY CHOICE IS PRESIDENT BUSH OR THE OTHER SIDE, WHICH I KNOW WHAT WE WILL GET AND IT HAS BEEN THE SAME OLD SENARIO FROM THEM FOR OVER 40 YRS AND EVEN THOUGH I BOUGHT INTO WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE I WAS SMART ENOUGH TO REALIZE WHAT THEIR VIEWS AND POLICIES WOULD GIVE US AFTER I GOT INTO THE WORKING WORLD.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED WITH THESE LEFTISTS IN ALL THESE YEARS, JUST LISTEN TO THE EDDIE'S, BJ'S YOURSELF.

I'LL REPEAT, PRESIDENT BUSH MAY HAVE SPENT MORE THAN I WOULD HAVE LIKED, BUT THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE HORRENDOUS. TAX AND SPEND US OUT OF EXISTANCE AS A FREE MARKET ECONOMY AND GIVE ALL OUR POWER BACK TO 3RD WORLD COUNTRIES THRU THE UN AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST GOING BACK TO PLACATING THEIR BASE, ALL THE LOWLIFE LAZY AHOLES WHO DO NOT WANT TO WORK BUT JUST SIT ON THEIR ASS AND COLLECT OUR HARDWORKING TAX MONEY.

YOU CHOSE, I ALREADY HAVE:soapbox:

 

[Hoops]

I don't think Eddie is grasping at straws. Families of those who were killed in the 9/11 attacks and firefighter companies from all around have already condemned the ads.

 

[ctownguy]

Yea, I'll bet they are the families that are not voting for Bush as their hatred of the right is just has strong as eddie's.

 

[dawgball]

After viewing the ad, I don't think it is out of line, but that goes back to my earlier post. I think it simply shows the hurdles that this administration and country has faced (another dicussion would be how we feel about that). It's much better than the mud-slinging ads that campaign managers love to use. Those usually don't come until later, though, do they?

Hoops--I'm sure families of those people are praising the ads everywhere also. We will not hear about them, though, because it doesn't make good news.

I will probably not revisit this thread because it appears that it is going to be a flame-fest. We almost had a good one here.

 

[dawgball]

Let me take that back. I just watched the "Unprincipled" one. I thought this commerical sucked.

BTW, thanks for the link Ryson.

 

[djv]

AR182 what CTG has not figured out is that all the bad guys in the world are not on there way here to get us. That spending money like a drunken salior is not the answer. And when you run huge deficits you get topay for them sooner or later with high interest rates. That is a nice little secret tax. That governing by useing fear all the time is nuts. We have nothing to fear. And he never went and got Bin. The real guy we all hated. And still do. Instead starts a war with Iraq. A war that could have started after we got the real bad guy. His poor perfromace in creating jobs. Just had another sad report today. They were hoping for 150000 for Feb we had 35000. They had reported 125000 for January. But today corrected that number down to under 30000. We now are to let Mexicans just show up at the border and get there green card.
He won the last election by 1 vote. Then acts like all Americans should be happy with what he's doing.

 

[PRO190]

I don't think Eddie is grasping at straws. Families of those who were killed in the 9/11 attacks and firefighter companies from all around have already condemned the ads.

And there are just as many saying the ads are appropriate, get ready for 4 more great years of President Bush, then at least 4 years of President Guiliani ::

 

[Trossi3389]

like it or not guys,bush WILL get another 4 yrs in office!!!! i for one love it......

 

[pirate fan]

djv, you do know that the Sudanese had Bin and wanted to send him to us because he was involved with the 93 WTC bombing and Clinton said no thanks. Clinton also weakened the CIA and FBI through cuts that may have now shown has given us bad intelligence on Iraq. The economy was heading south before Bush took over office. Clinton had eight years, Bush was in office eight months when the attacks took place. As for not being in NYC on 9/11, I would hope my president is working his ass off making sure another attack isn't coming from some other direction tomarrow before I start surveying damage. I think if you are for Bush, the ads will be OK, if you hate him, you will hate any ad for Bush. The last point is it is not so much the firefighters but the firefighters union doing most of the complaining.

 

[Hoops]

Yea, I'll bet they are the families that are not voting for Bush as their hatred of the right is just has strong as eddie's.

Probably just the families and people who don't feel the 9/11 attacks should be exploited.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Lets see if I can draw an analogy. Let me take you back to 1944 (the only person alive then who frequents these boards was AR, hell even Madjack Sr. wasn't alive then). We need to assume that television was as available as it is now.

Lets say FDR, in an attempt to get re-elected, runs the same ad but shows photographs of the bodies of American sailors being recovered from the Arizona in Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. I would be just as disgusted as I am with Mr. Bush.

AR, it aint a republican/democrat thing because I do not like what the whimpy democrats did when Bush launched his invasion of Iraq. Nothing. Many climbed on board the Halliburton Express. My point is that the democrats are the lesser of two evils.

Bush's ad, in my view, widens the gap between the two parties and hopefully, the American people, er let me correct that, the electoral college will see that this November.

Obviously, I don't like Bush. I would condemn this ad if Kerry, Edwards, Gore, and my favorite Clinton, ran it. Hell, I don't think Hitler would have run this ad if he was running for re-election. Speaking of grasping at straws, us thinking human beings (Ctownguy excepted) know that the best thing to happen to the Bush presidency was 9-11.

It gave him a chance (justification) for being the real cowboy that he is and making amends for his daddy (payback I guess for getting him in Yale). He can't talk, he can't make a decision without running it by Cheney and/or Rumsfeld, but scarriest of all, he can't think.

He will due all in his power to get re-elected even demean solemn ground in an effort to amass votes. Hell, if we were in Iraq a few years ago, I'd think I was talking about Sadam Hussein. Sorry, but this goes beyond all decency, no matter how tastefully done.

Its the concept and idea behind the ad that is appalling. Play up your shining moment (9-11) in order to garner votes. Excuse me but, I have a sudden need for a shower.

Ed