Pitt, Utah St, Oak St Who Got It The Worst

[letsgoirish]

PITT , UTAH ST OR OAK ST WHO GOT IT THE WORST?

I AM HUGH PITT FAN AND I KNOW THEY GOT SCREWED PRETTY BAD. BUT VOTE FOR OAK ST THEY DIDN'T GET A #1 SEED BECAUSE THEY WERE STILL PLAYING COME ON WIN YOUR TOURNEY AND ONLY HAVE THREE LOSSES ALL YEAR

 

[Blackman]

Considering Utah St is not in the tournament - I'd say they got the short end of the stick when comparing them to a #2 and #3 seed.

Would you rather play Wisconsin in Milwaukee or be in the NIT?

 

[Sun Tzu]

Blackman is of course correct. Okie State did not get jobbed at all. Look at there non-conference resume. Regardless, they were put in the bracket with St Joe's, so it is essentially being the same as a 1 as St Joe's is clearly the weakest 1 seed.

 

[Mags]

What about Wisconsin?

What about Wisconsin?

Win the Big 10 tourney - ranked #10 in the polls, #16 in RPI, winners of their last 5 games (all on the road or neutral floors) ..

<B>and get a #6 seed????</B>

Illinois - #13 in the polls, #21 in RPI - and lose 2 out of 3 to Wisconsin - and both blowouts - and they get a #5 seed???

<B>How in the world can anyone justify Illinois having a better seed than Wisconsin???? </B> The game yesterday backed up what the RPI already showed prior to the game..... Is the committee just plain stupid?

If the Big 10 championship doesn't play a role in seeding, why even play it? Why take the chance of an important player for either team getting hurt in a meaningless game????


Yes, Pitt could have had a #2 seed potentially - instead of a #3...

But you could argue, fairly easily, that Wisconsin was deserving of a #3 - #4 seed.... yes, the Big 10 had a down year - but that is factored into the RPI ranking... heck, they were 24-6!

Instead of looking at playing #3 Pitt in the 2nd round, they should be playing a #5 in the second round - a huge difference, even if folks think they are playing at "home"....

 

[Sun Tzu]

Wiscy got it more than made up for by playing at home. They are the last group that should be complaining.

 

[Franky Wright]

Wisconsin is not playing at home!!!!

They are playing in Milwaukee at the Bradley Center. It is a neutral floor, with the one difference being there will be more Wisconsin fans there than Pittsburgh. With all the tickets sold out way before UW learned they were going to Milwaukee, and the price of the tickets approaching $300, I dont think you are going to see that big of a difference in fan base. My guess 65-35%, but not 99-1% like a home floor advantage you keep saying.

I know Im a homer fan, but Im also looking at this like Mags said. Hell, why could not Wisconsin been the #3 seed and still played in Milwaukee? This stuff went on last year all the time.

The Big 10 got the shaft more than any other conference. Course if all three lose right away, then maybe they should have taken it:142hump: But thats why they play the games, right

 

[Penguinfan]

For the record I agree with Blackmans choice, but concerning Pitt I have to say this, the consensus on just about every talk show or TV show is that had Pitt beat UConn they would have got a #1 seed so based on that loss they dropped to a #3 seed, ok, I get it, still think they are a solid #2, but whatever. Anyway, based on that logic how the hell do you not penalize St. Josephs for getting spanked in the first round of the friggin Atlantic 10 conference?
The seeding are more about TV coverage and potential match-ups than anyone will admit so take it all with a grain of salt.

Penguinfan

 

[Bombs]

Pitt got what it deserved for their embarassment of a non-conference schedule.

 

[Blackman]

The seeding are more about TV coverage and potential match-ups than anyone will admit so take it all with a grain of salt.

Penguinfan

:thumb:


And it is not like history shows us that the #1 seeds have such easy paths to the Final Four - at least one gets knocked in the first few rounds if not two of them. Looking at the bracket breakdowns, I don't think it is a stretch at all to saw that #2 Oklahoma St has an easier path to the Final Four than #1 Duke does.

Also, I think where your games will be played is often a bigger factor than the number that you draw in the bracket.

 

[jr11]

Pitt got what it deserved for their embarassment of a non-conference schedule.

Bombs, that is a good one. You call Miss St. out of conference schedule that much tougher...

Tenn Martin
So. Alabama
West. Kentucky
McNeese St.
La Monroe
UAB
Xavier
New Orleans
Santa Clara
Tulane
Ark LR

Wow. All this and you lose in the quarterfinals of your conference championships. Xavier was no where the team they are now, case in point getting beat by Duquesne twice, who I Know I could round up 4 other guys here and compete against.

At least Pitt beat..

Alabama
Smashed Georgia, who beat the overall No.1 seed Kent 2x
FlaST.

What I don't understand is how Illini won the Big 10 outright and lost to Wisconsin 2x with the last being the conf. championship and had a higher seed. The same scenario played out with Pitt/Uconn, Pitt won the Big East regular season and lost to Uconn in the conference championship only to have a lower seed. The same situation didn't work with Wisconsin.

jr11

 

[Blackman]

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What I don't understand is how Illini won the Big 10 outright and lost to Wisconsin 2x with the last being the conf. championship and had a higher seed. The same scenario played out with Pitt/Uconn, Pitt won the Big East regular season and lost to Uconn in the conference championship only to have a lower seed. The same situation didn't work with Wisconsin.

jr11

According to everything I've read - The Big Ten Championship game was not really considered because the committee "didn't have enough time" between that games conclusion and the selection show. If that is such a problem then why they don't just start the selection show an hour later I'll never know - but that seems to be the company line this year. They had overnight to include the result of the Big East championship, hence the discrepancy.

CBS doesn't seem to have a problem reaping the benefits from airing the Big Ten championship game on Sunday afternoon - so the Big Ten is going to have to decide whether they want the payday from the national airtime or their results to be part of the decision process.

 

[Felonious Monk]

Maryland!

 

[Waldo]

As was said, the conference title game had no effect on the seed, which is a crock.

While that is wrong, the reason Illinois was/is higher than Wisconsin is a) outright conference champions b) winners of 12 of their last 13 games and c) road neutral record of 12-5 (Wisconsin was 9-6).

Not saying that I agree but I think that would be their rationale.

I thought the winner of yesterday's game should have been the higher seed. How hard would it have been to say the winner is a 4 and the loser a 5?

 

[jr11]

As was said, the conference title game had no effect on the seed, which is a crock.

While that is wrong, the reason Illinois was/is higher than Wisconsin is a) outright conference champions b) winners of 12 of their last 13 games and c) road neutral record of 12-5 (Wisconsin was 9-6).

Not saying that I agree but I think that would be their rationale.

I thought the winner of yesterday's game should have been the higher seed. How hard would it have been to say the winner is a 4 and the loser a 5?

Agreed. So much for having a better RPI and overall ranking.

 

[Waldo]

Granted there is no way they should be a 6, but I still don't think Wisconsin got screwed that bad at all. I'm an Illinois alum so take that into account but would you rather have to play Cincy (in Columbus), Duke, then either Miss St or Texas to get to the Final Four or Pitt (in Milwaukee), Ok St, then either Wake or Florida (St Joes will not be around)?

I'd take my chances with Wisconsin's draw.

If there were games in Chicago this year and Illinois was a 6 and got to play there, I wouldn't complain for a second.

 

[Valuist]

Pitt got screwed the worst. Not only should they be a 2 seed, and not have to play in Wisky's backyard, but their bracket arguably has the best # 2 seed, the best # 4 seed and the best # 6 seed, besides them being the best # 3 seed.