AWOL soldier refuses to return to Iraq

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Here's another example of somebody who didn't mind taking the extra money from the National Guard for going camping once a month and two weeks in the summer. Then when he actually has to do something for the money, he goes AWOL and doesn't return to duty in Iraq after his leave. Seems that a lot of reserves have that sort of attitude. Take the money and whine when they actually get called.


Anti-Iraq War U.S. Soldier to Surrender
By ERIK SCHELZIG

NORTH MIAMI, Fla. (AP) - Shaken by a gunfight in Iraq that killed innocent civilians, a 28-year-old U.S. soldier declared the invasion ``an oil-driven war'' and said he won't return to the Middle East and fight.

Staff Sgt. Camilo Mejia, of Miami Beach, surrendered Monday at an air force base in Massachusetts, where he was ordered to report to his unit Tuesday at the North Miami Armory in suburban Miami.


His attorney, Louis Font, said he believes Mejia is the first soldier to turn himself in after refusing to return to Iraq. Mejia said he would seek conscientious objector status.

Mejia was in Iraq for about five months last year until October, when he returned home on leave. He did not return to duty.


``This is an oil-driven war, and I don't think any soldier signs up to fight for oil,'' Mejia said Monday after arriving at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport.


Mejia said he was particularly upset over an incident in which he and others were ambushed and innocent civilians were hit in the ensuing gunfire.


``That's one of the things that tells me there's no such thing as a fair war, no such thing as a just war,'' he said.


He did not believe his refusal to return to service in Iraq affected morale among the troops, saying: ``I think the morale of the soldiers is already affected.''


Mejia was ordered to report to his unit, the 1st Battalion, 124th Infantry Regiment of the Florida National Guard, but it was not clear whether he would need to be transferred again to Georgia, where his unit was activated for Army duty.


``The Florida National Guard does not have any jurisdiction over the individual,'' said Lt. Col. Ron Tittle, a Florida National Guard spokesman. ``He's active duty Army.''


Mejia was accompanied by his lawyer when he surrendered to two military police officers at the gate of Hanscom Air Force Base in Massachusetts.


``I have not committed a crime, and I should not run,'' Mejia said before turning himself in. Officers told him to fly immediately to Florida and report to his unit.


A native of Nicaragua, Mejia is a permanent resident of the United States who served in the Army for three years. He had served in the National Guard for five years when his unit was called to active duty. In civilian life, he was a psychology student at the University of Miami.


Mejia said he joined the military upon his arrival in the United States so he could work his way into American society. He could not say whether he might be deported because of his refusal to serve, but said ``whatever sacrifice I have to make, I have to go there.''


Tod Ensign, director of Citizen Soldier, a New York-based group that provides counsel and defense to military resisters and is organizing Mejia's defense, said Mejia could face up to one year in prison for being absent without leave and up to five years in prison if he is convicted of desertion.


``I am saying no to war; I have chosen peace,'' Mejia said Monday at an anti-war news conference. ``I went to Iraq and was an instrument of violence and now I have decided to become an instrument of peace.''
 

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Kosar this story surprise me. Why? It's so early for troops to start this. They also said since start of invasion Of Afgan there have been more then 500 soldiers that have said no to going back. With this being a voluntier Army it even surprises me more.
 

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DJV,

I don't think it's really that surprising or unusual. Shit, when I was in Korea and we were on high alert, but obviously not even at war, there were at least 5 guys just in our battalion alone that didn't come back from leave. (obviously they left before they stepped up the alert, because they deny all leaves when it goes to that level). But what's irritating is the reserves who think it's free money and then whine like bitches when they get called.

When it was getting dicey in Korea, several Reserve units were attached to the 2nd ID and were housed at Camp Casey where we were. I've never seen a bigger collective bunch of babies in my life. Always crying about having to actually serve. They didn't mind collecting that check every month for partying in the woods, but God forbid they get sent out.

When I got out I had absolutely no interest in having my life disrupted by any BS. So I didn't join the active reserves and I didn't take the money. Seems so simple.
 
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Re: AWOL soldier refuses to return to Iraq

kosar said:
Here's another example of somebody who didn't mind taking the extra money from the National Guard for going camping once a month and two weeks in the summer. Then when he actually has to do something for the money, he goes AWOL and doesn't return to duty in Iraq after his leave. Seems that a lot of reserves have that sort of attitude. Take the money and whine when they actually get called.


Anti-Iraq War U.S. Soldier to Surrender
By ERIK SCHELZIG

NORTH MIAMI, Fla. (AP) -Mejia said " USA have been very very good to me! What? I have to go back ! USA have been very very bad to me"

Have a great time being an instrument of peace in Prison :thefinger
 

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I'm not an expert on dishonorable discharges, but it really messes up your job prospects. One of the biggest perks of military service is that you get a huge leg up when looking for federal employment or even state employment. With a dishonorable discharge essentially it looks bad enough to prospective state or federal employers that you are better off not having any military service on your resume sometimes.
 

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if he's convicted of desertion he could pull some stockade time. i am inherently sceptical of anyone who voluntarily enlists in a peacetime army and then suddenly becomes a consciencious objector when exposed to enemy fire. i assume he didn't mistake the army for he peace corps when he enlisted.
 

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pro - nick summed it up to the tee - its just a very very bad thing to hae on your record. you'll have absoultely no shot at a gov job for sure.
 

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This guy is a real a**hole. I think if this little b*tch gets off with a dishonorable discharge he should have to pay back the monies he collected before his change to an "instrument of peace". Including the college tuition that was paid. There are too many soldiers over there risking thier lives for this little punk to get off with an easy dishonorable discharge. Maybe he won't try to get a federal or state job, so then what will be the punishment??? Sounds to me like he's gonna be a psychologist or something. He shouldn't be able to use American tax dollars to get a free education and than when it comes to serving back out. He should pay it all back.
 

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Hmmm Sure didn't know you were in North Korea Kosar. That would be very last place I would want to be during peacetime and double that for wartime. I have heard of weather there and probably almost as many casualties in Korean war due to elements as inflicted by enemy. I would take 3 years of Viet Nam or Middle East conflict than 6 months of Korean.

--on the above soilder-- A dishonorable discharge will suffice--he will have a lifetime of concequences he can weigh this 8 months of R&R on---and the soilders in Iraq are the better off to get him out of their midst.

His best bet is to look into self employment---maybe he can write a book on the atrocities committed by our soilders over there--he had almost 5 months over there which is almost twice the time Kerry had in Viet Nam--"on a boat--in the Navy"--and he was a "proven authority" on the actions of infantry man---writing books,speaking before senate sub-committees-leading protest ect.;)
 
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WOW, that is it, what happened to the good ol' Firing Squad:firing:

That puke will just not check the military service box on the job application form, but you can be sure he will check the minority status box, little sob is getting off with a wrist slap:

DTB is correct, the troops are better off, this Punk would probably just end up throwing a couple grenades fragging some honorable soldiers:
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
Hmmm Sure didn't know you were in North Korea Kosar. That would be very last place I would want to be during peacetime and double that for wartime. I have heard of weather there and probably almost as many casualties in Korean war due to elements as inflicted by enemy. I would take 3 years of Viet Nam or Middle East conflict than 6 months of Korean.


Dogs,

I was there(obviously you meant South Korea, not North Korea) for 18 months between 1993 and 1994. While I was there, Kim Il-Sung died. As i'm sure you know he founded the country as was the leader for 35 or 40 years. So his son, Kim Jong-Il takes over and immediately starts rattling his sabre, amassing even more troops than he already had on the DMZ. We were only 8 or 9 miles from the DMZ, so nerves got a little frayed. If they invaded, we were toast. Not even a little doubt. We'd be lucky to even survive the artillery hail that would precede any invasion and then at best get run over.

You're right about what happened in the Korean war. But a lot of that was MacArthurs fault for sending Marines way up into North Korea to the Chosin Resevoir that borders China. Not only were they severely cut off from supply lines(and airdrops were very inaccurate due to the terrain), it brought the Chinese into the war in huge numbers. He did this during winter and tons of men died from the elements and at the hands of the Chinese who ran wave after wave of men on suicide missions at our guys. I think they lost 25x the number of men we did, but it didn't matter. Their numbers were overwhelming.

We retreated the best we could through those conditions, but we lost tons of men by the time they got back to S. Korea.

I agree, a war fought there will/would be incredibly brutal and would be the last place I would want to fight.

Other than those very tense 2 months or so, it was actually a great experience and plenty of fun most of the time.

If you think I babble on a lot about Iraq, you better pray that nothing breaks out in Korea... :)
 

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I wonder why some get free pass to not complete there NG duty. And others get dishonorable discharge? Could it be who you blow.
Korea not a place to be if chit hits the fan. I do believe if they come acrosse that border from the north. We may use limited nukes to hold them off.
 
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djv said:
I wonder why some get free pass to not complete there NG duty. And others get dishonorable discharge? Could it be who you blow.
Korea not a place to be if chit hits the fan. I do believe if they come acrosse that border from the north. We may use limited nukes to hold them off.

DJV,

I don't think we could use even tactical nukes there. We would kill just as many South Korean troops as North Korean. Not to mention enough of our guys as well. Too many troops of all sorts in way to small of a space. Another option would to be nuke Pyongyang, but that city is so close to China that it would be incredibly risky.
 

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I believe you are right. I guess im thinking if the north is dumb enough to use one of there two nukes. Well all bets are off then. I wish we could pull more of our remaing 27000 troops the hell out of the South. Postion more in Japan and the Marshalls. Seems the old and young of the south fight over that issue about once a year. Old folks want us to stay. Younger ones would like to see most of us leave.
 

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I will chime in here and stop the speculation...

Dishonorable Discharge: It is the equivalant of having a felony conviction on your record. You lose your rights to vote, own land, house, pretty much anything in this world worth living for is gone. You are a convicted felon.

The only way someone can "earn" (I use that word, because you really do have to earn it.. its not just handed out liberally like government cheese) is to go to a General Courts-Martial. That is the ONLY way you will get a DD.

And yes, you will check the box on any job application that you have a felony conviction. And when you dont, and they do a background check.. even a quick one.. it will pop up.

A general courts martial is the equivalant of a Grand Jury.

It does not say whether or not he had removed himself from society and hid out for awhile before turning himself in, and by the tone of the article, I suspect that he showed up on his proper day to return and said he was not going back over. I am sure the press would have lit up in big bold print the number of days he was actually in an unauthorized status. To be a deserter you must be "AWOL" for over 30 days, and show an intent not to return.
My guess is he will be given an Adminstrative separation under Other than honorable conditions and be sent on his way back to whatever coffee bean picking country he came from.
 

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kosar said:
Dogs,


You're right about what happened in the Korean war. But a lot of that was MacArthurs fault for sending Marines way up into North Korea to the Chosin Resevoir that borders China. Not only were they severely cut off from supply lines(and airdrops were very inaccurate due to the terrain), it brought the Chinese into the war in huge numbers. He did this during winter and tons of men died from the elements and at the hands of the Chinese who ran wave after wave of men on suicide missions at our guys. I think they lost 25x the number of men we did, but it didn't matter. Their numbers were overwhelming.

We retreated the best we could through those conditions, but we lost tons of men by the time they got back to S. Korea.



Chesty Puller and his Marine Ballation... went thru the Chosin surrounded by 8 Chinese Regiments... and they made it back to the departure point with EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF GEAR AND EVERY FREAKIN BODY, both dead and alive, THAT THEY STARTED WITH 2 MONTHS BEFORE!

It is accounted for a bit in a book called "The Frozen Chosin (Chosen)" written by one of the Lt's that served under LTCOL Puller. It is a very exciting and educational read and will make you really think about some of the things that they went thru over there... it choked me up a bit while reading it in some parts actually.
Highly recommend it as a read... I think it was about 250 pages or so and a fast read due to the drama and tension conveyed.
 

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marine said:
Chesty Puller and his Marine Ballation... went thru the Chosin surrounded by 8 Chinese Regiments... and they made it back to the departure point with EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF GEAR AND EVERY FREAKIN BODY, both dead and alive, THAT THEY STARTED WITH 2 MONTHS BEFORE!

It is accounted for a bit in a book called "The Frozen Chosin (Chosen)" written by one of the Lt's that served under LTCOL Puller. It is a very exciting and educational read and will make you really think about some of the things that they went thru over there... it choked me up a bit while reading it in some parts actually.
Highly recommend it as a read... I think it was about 250 pages or so and a fast read due to the drama and tension conveyed.

Marine,

That was absolutely incredible what they did under the circumstances. Just to get out of there. And absolutely atrocious what MacArthur did. Not only what was mentioned above in my other post, but he also vehemently denied that the Chinese had entered the war, all the while Marines were getting slaughtered daily by the Chinese and Puller and other commanders were reporting that to him. He didn't want to admit that he was wrong when he sold this idea to the top brass that the Chinese wouldn't get involved if he went up there. He was trying to cover his ass at the the expense of thousands. Thank God he got relieved shortly thereafter, mainly over this incident.

He may have been a hero in WW2, but he was an arrogant goat in the Korean war. Disgraceful.
 
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