So they say Bush now has his own Somalia in Iraq. Only 50 times worse. I guess there not all wrong about that after what we saw yesterday in Iraq. And Iraq will all be under control when we turn it over June 30th. Another joke on us.
Somalia? Bush has His.
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djv
I have been meaning to say this for quite some time now.
But how can we possibly think that we can install democracy
in Iraq and get them to vote like normal people. And also
to recognize the rights of woman etc. These people seem incapable of anything but killing and hatred towards even their own people.
When we pull out the strongest craziest tribesman will not
stop until they control the country and the oil millions.
Maybe we should just stay. LOL I know djv just spit up his coffee on that one.
It seems a impossible dream.
Hope that I am wrong.
KOD
I have been meaning to say this for quite some time now.
But how can we possibly think that we can install democracy
in Iraq and get them to vote like normal people. And also
to recognize the rights of woman etc. These people seem incapable of anything but killing and hatred towards even their own people.
When we pull out the strongest craziest tribesman will not
stop until they control the country and the oil millions.
Maybe we should just stay. LOL I know djv just spit up his coffee on that one.
It seems a impossible dream.
Hope that I am wrong.
KOD
I hate to tell you this but we are not pulling out on June 30.
We are just turning over their country back to them.
Our military will be there for many years. The troops will just
back off and let the Iraqi people solve their own bombing
of citizens problems.
Once we pull back then the ones with the power will step forward
and take over the country. They will be easy to recognize as they are the ones that are bombing us now. There is big money in
the oil fields and if the wrong person runs the country we will end up with another Saddam.
Once we see who it is that takes over , we just go in there and drop one of them bunker bombs on them.
Then we move back again and say OK now try it again.
Then we wait until they have chosen a Iraqui of character.
They have some people there very capable. The trouble is
they are afraid of being killed if they step forward.
As long as the Iraqis dont have a army and police to defend the country we will have to stay there. Not all the troops but I would say alot .
Maybe 5 years or so.
The thing about it is that Saddam may have been one of the few people that could keep these people from not killing each other.
He did it by total fear and he killed all his enemies first. That was the only thing that worked and the only thing they know. That kept them in check.
Bushs entire presidency is involved with this. And if Kerry gets in somehow, he will have to deal with it.
KOD
We are just turning over their country back to them.
Our military will be there for many years. The troops will just
back off and let the Iraqi people solve their own bombing
of citizens problems.
Once we pull back then the ones with the power will step forward
and take over the country. They will be easy to recognize as they are the ones that are bombing us now. There is big money in
the oil fields and if the wrong person runs the country we will end up with another Saddam.
Once we see who it is that takes over , we just go in there and drop one of them bunker bombs on them.
Then we move back again and say OK now try it again.
Then we wait until they have chosen a Iraqui of character.
They have some people there very capable. The trouble is
they are afraid of being killed if they step forward.
As long as the Iraqis dont have a army and police to defend the country we will have to stay there. Not all the troops but I would say alot .
Maybe 5 years or so.
The thing about it is that Saddam may have been one of the few people that could keep these people from not killing each other.
He did it by total fear and he killed all his enemies first. That was the only thing that worked and the only thing they know. That kept them in check.
Bushs entire presidency is involved with this. And if Kerry gets in somehow, he will have to deal with it.
KOD
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"The "Agreement on Political Process," signed by CPA Administrator Paul Bremer and Jalal Talabani on behalf of the Governing Council, gives a timeline for steps the two political entities will take to establish a "Fundamental Law" for the country, make security arrangements, and form a Transitional National Assembly.
According to the agreement, the Assembly is to be elected by May 31, 2004, and the Governing Council will be dissolved upon its establishment. Also, the CPA will disband by June 30, 2004, when the Assembly is due to assume "full sovereign powers for governing Iraq."
The agreement also stipulates that delegates to a constitutional convention be elected by the Iraqi people by March 15, 2005. The agreement says the transitional phase would end with a popular referendum to ratify the new constitution, and the election of a new Iraqi government by December 31, 2005"
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I don't see anything about troops leaving the country.
:shrug:
According to the agreement, the Assembly is to be elected by May 31, 2004, and the Governing Council will be dissolved upon its establishment. Also, the CPA will disband by June 30, 2004, when the Assembly is due to assume "full sovereign powers for governing Iraq."
The agreement also stipulates that delegates to a constitutional convention be elected by the Iraqi people by March 15, 2005. The agreement says the transitional phase would end with a popular referendum to ratify the new constitution, and the election of a new Iraqi government by December 31, 2005"
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I don't see anything about troops leaving the country.
:shrug:
The difference between Clinton and Bush is not what Ctownguy said about cutting and running. Actually Bush wont bail because this is all about big business, oil is the main reason we are over there. There is no way that the country can be turned over this is the same as Afghan, both Iraq and Afghan have been in turmoil andchaos for over 300 years and democracy is not a magic elixer that will cure these countries. Chaos abd tribal warfare are a custom and way of life in those countries, but by invading on false pretense Bush has created a goldmine for Halliburton and afew other cronies in the oil industry. Somalia was a peace keeping mission it was not a invasion as this is, so to say Clinton ran is moronic, especially when you fail to also chastise Bush for creating a war for profit.
"creating a war for profit"
while there are intellectually honest reasons we shouldnt have gone there...this is absolutely not one of them
are we supposed to pay 6$ at the pump? MEMO to oil bashers: WE NEED IT AS OF NOW
we had our credibility at stake, oil at stake, national security perhaps at stake....any of the three reason enough to go to war
add this to the fact that Hussein was an evil dictator, and we had all the right to go in there and try to restore order
lets shift the debate to where it should be: what do we do now....instead of trying to recreate what we knew then from everyone involved and try to invest our energy in finding our way out all the while keeping our oil investment alive
once again: WE NEED OIL
while there are intellectually honest reasons we shouldnt have gone there...this is absolutely not one of them
are we supposed to pay 6$ at the pump? MEMO to oil bashers: WE NEED IT AS OF NOW
we had our credibility at stake, oil at stake, national security perhaps at stake....any of the three reason enough to go to war
add this to the fact that Hussein was an evil dictator, and we had all the right to go in there and try to restore order
lets shift the debate to where it should be: what do we do now....instead of trying to recreate what we knew then from everyone involved and try to invest our energy in finding our way out all the while keeping our oil investment alive
once again: WE NEED OIL
Dr. Freeze usually I feel your post are very well supported and usually have a good intelligent thought about the topic but not on this one. We may need oil but it is not our oil, therefore what right do we have to take it over? Would we allow another country to invade Saudi Arabia because they also need oil? How did we have our credibility at stake? If your usually they WMD's as your support then if anything we have lost a ton of credibility throughout the world as it has been proven that this was a bold face scam. Yes we do need oil but we also need to stop our reliance on fossil fuels and begin to put more money into alternative fuel sources.
our credibility was at stake because a RESOLUTION was defied 22 times....and at last check there never had been a TREATY so technically we were still at war after the last one
In which....Hussein tried to gain control of a large share of the world's oil supply....
very dangerous situation....and dont think he wouldn't have tried to do it again...the man was crazy
In which....Hussein tried to gain control of a large share of the world's oil supply....
very dangerous situation....and dont think he wouldn't have tried to do it again...the man was crazy
The condition of Iraq showed that the sanctions were working. Bush and Cheney and friends entered this war for one reason. To profit. They will keep throwing reasons for going there up in the air and see what sticks on right wing radio but make no mistake about it Bush put this team, of his fathers friends, together for just one reason. And that was to invade Iraq.
As pointed out earlier Clinton didn't cut and run. He inherited a humanitarian mission and got out.
But for once Freeze is right. We have to decide what to do now. Bushie got us in this mess that has nothing to do with terrorism in our own country and has deverted billions of dollars that could have been used to stop terrorism instead of creating it.
As pointed out earlier Clinton didn't cut and run. He inherited a humanitarian mission and got out.
But for once Freeze is right. We have to decide what to do now. Bushie got us in this mess that has nothing to do with terrorism in our own country and has deverted billions of dollars that could have been used to stop terrorism instead of creating it.
Ask the military if blow job billie didn't cut and run like a coward and that is exactly part of the reason terrorists around the world got the idea that we would be vulnerable.
At the first sign of a little trouble or bloodshed, we would turn tail and run, just like bj billie did.
You left wing wackos really do have a knack of rewriting history and ignoring facts and the truth. :nono:
At the first sign of a little trouble or bloodshed, we would turn tail and run, just like bj billie did.
You left wing wackos really do have a knack of rewriting history and ignoring facts and the truth. :nono:
How much was pocketed by Saddam and the U.N again? 
Admittedly we are in a huge mess in Iraq. We probably could have forseen these difficulties - maybe not. At the beginning of the military action, most dissenters yelled and screamed that it is all about OIL. Yet to date, we have not taken or used ANY Iraqui oil. So all of those who still believe that we are there solely for the OIL, please tell me when we are going to take it; how much are we going to take; what will be our justification for taking it.
Wilson I think you right. More here then in most news papers and the same lies form you know where. They call it D C.
Raymond you dead on. They were kiling and screwing with each other be for we went there. All we did was blow way to much money and get more folks killed. To many of them ours. They were already doing it for free.
And I sure hope we dont start invading every country that is non compliance with the UN. We will have to get started the list is very long. Including us. Were not in compliance either.
I think anyone with there eyes open has come to see what a joke invading Iraq truly was. Just a total waist of our miltary and the lives lost.
And all that kissing of Suadis ass has worked well. I still wonder why in the days just after 9/11. The Bush folks let Bin's family memebers that were here visitng with his dad leave the country and return to Saudi. Maybe in stead of haveing lunch with them. They shoud have put them under house arrest to see what they had to do with 9/11.
Raymond you dead on. They were kiling and screwing with each other be for we went there. All we did was blow way to much money and get more folks killed. To many of them ours. They were already doing it for free.
And I sure hope we dont start invading every country that is non compliance with the UN. We will have to get started the list is very long. Including us. Were not in compliance either.
I think anyone with there eyes open has come to see what a joke invading Iraq truly was. Just a total waist of our miltary and the lives lost.
And all that kissing of Suadis ass has worked well. I still wonder why in the days just after 9/11. The Bush folks let Bin's family memebers that were here visitng with his dad leave the country and return to Saudi. Maybe in stead of haveing lunch with them. They shoud have put them under house arrest to see what they had to do with 9/11.
On whose watch did 9/11 take place? Was it the left wing wackos as Ctownguy describes others not seeing his point of view or was it the right wing idiots that attack anyone whom disagrees with their view and cannot seem to tell the truth about anything. From my centerist point of view I believe both parties had equal blame and I condemn theBush administration for attacking anyone that leaves their administration and disagrees with their policies. I anticipate that the director of Medicare will be the next one that they attack since he is starting to come clean about warning the liars about the cost of the new Medicare plan, so his days are numbered for telling the truth. If anyone caught Colon Powell on MSNBC the other day then you really have to wonder if: A) he is completely out of the loop of the internal workings of the administration or B) after being embarassed at the United Nations he is fed up with not telling the truth. It was a good interview with him and I really respect this guy now, he was asked about passages from Clarke's book and he refused to deny that they were false and he went on to say that Clarke is a good honest man whom has served the govt for 4 decades and has done much great work to stop terrorism.
