It Sucks U Cant Smoke In Bars Anymore

neverteaseit

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no saint i can't read I'm just another non educated idiot who posts on a webboard. Well since I do not know what research is I have tried to read many studies on this subject and it is all about who you want to believe. The Bristish Medical Journal has had numerous findings that show no conclusive evidence that second hand smoke is harmful. Our own gov and several other medical studies have shown no hard eveidence to what has been pushed upon people with this subject. You can put up all the research you want but it means squat. In fact the good ole American Cancer Society concluded a study in 1998. It studied a 100,000 people from 1959 -1998. The study focused on the 35,561 people who had never smoked, but who lived with a spouse who did. They found that passive smoking was not linked to death from coronary heart disease or lung cancer, no matter how much or how often the spouse smoked. So not even the American Cancer Society can prove this fact but others seem to continue to push this issue for certain reasons. But my non educated ass could never be as enlighted as your highly educated self. Since you are far more superior in research then me.
 
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thepoolguy

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Lets say you buy a bar. Who is the government to tell you what you can do with that bar IE smoking. You own it, if people are so against the smoking they wont frequent it and you will be shut down. But now we need to have the government telling them what to do in there business?

Cmon, thats fawking crock of shit!! I am not a smoker myself, but I do believe business owners have the right to choose what makes sense for them business wise and not have the government telling them what they can and cant do!

No one is forcing people to go hang out in bars where people smoke! If you dont like it dont go there!
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Maybe bar owners should be allowed to serve minors if they want?

the answer is no, it is against the law.

So now smoking in bars is against the law. Get it.
 

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It appears as though Madison, WI is heading in the direction of a total smoking ban as well.

Writer and radio personality Garrison Keillor once began a short story this way: "The last cigarette smokers in America were located in a box canyon south of Donner Pass in the High Sierra by two federal tobacco agents in a helicopter who spotted the little smoke puffs just before noon."

It's hard to tell where the last smokers in Madison will be located. But they will have to be secreted somewhere if the latest campaign to expand the city's anti-smoking ordinance succeeds.

The proposed expansion should be rejected. The existing smoking ban protects nonsmokers without eliminating smokers' freedoms and without further branding Madison as the capital of over-regulation.

Keillor wrote his story "End of the Trail" in 1984, after he quit smoking, as a spoof of smokers and the zeal with which America was making smokers a target of eradication. Years later, he remarked that some stories grow more true after you write them.

That's the case in Madison, where smoking prohibitionists have mounted their high horses for a crusade to eliminate smoking in public places.

Madison already bans smoking in public places, but the ordinance permits exceptions that the prohibitionists want to take away. They are wrong. Exceptions should be allowed.

Make no mistake. No one should smoke. Smoking kills. But thousands of people in Madison do smoke.

One of the fundamental principles of America is this: You are free to live as you wish, as long as you don't infringe on others' freedom to live as they wish. When a smoker lights up in a public place, the smoker's freedom collides with the right of the rest of us to be free from the annoyance and health risks posed by smoke.

Madison has dealt with that collision by banning smoking in most public places to allow nonsmokers to enjoy a meal, perform their jobs and view public events without being exposed to secondhand smoke. But the city permits smokers to exercise their freedom in a few places, most notably bars.

That's a good balance.

But two City Council members, Jean MacCubbin and Steve Holtzman, plan to introduce an expansion that would extend the ban to cover all bars, restaurants, bowling alleys and hotel lobbies and would take away separately ventilated smoking rooms in workplaces.

Their chief justification for the total ban is the health risks of secondhand smoke. But they tend to exaggerate those risks. Secondhand smoke contributes to or aggravates respiratory ailments from infections to asthma. But many anti-smoking crusaders like to further frighten the public by promoting the links between secondhand smoke and lung cancer and heart disease. What they fail to disclose, however, is that those links are officially categorized as "weak" by the Harvard Center for Cancer Prevention, the American Council on Science and Health and similar organizations.

For example, exposure to secondhand smoke raises the risk for lung cancer a tad bit more than does failing to eat three helpings of fruits and vegetables a day and about the same as exposure to radon, which is, by the way, not regulated by Madison ordinance.

As far as overall health risks go, secondhand smoke is a concern, but it should be well down the list for most Madison residents.

People who smoke should be encouraged to quit. People who don't smoke shouldn't start. But Madison should not try to make itself a non-smoking island by denying the freedom to smoke. City policy should preserve the freedoms of both the smoker and nonsmoker. Madison's existing smoking ban does that job.

Let's really go off the wall. Bars overserve patrons. Drunk patrons then leave bar and kill someone on the road. So hell, let's ban alcohol in bars.
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I hope I don't get branded as an anti-dentite.. but umm.. How many years would that be? http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/...ighlight=career

Medical doesn't mean solely MDs. This is reflected in the fact that some dental degrees are DMD, a Doctor of Dental Medicine. I took most of my gross and science classes with the med students, hence my reference to medical education. If by "anti-dentite" you were referring to that Seinfeld episode, that is one damn funny episode!


IO- I would love to read copies of these studies. There are millions of studies done which can "prove" anything you choose. Whether or not they qualify as legitimate research is another question.
 
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Uh, poolguy, I think the point is that they are legislating against something that is not an illegal substance. IMO they are passing laws for the comfort of one segment of society over another segment's right to consume a legal substance.

I think thats a scary road to start going down. Who knows what could be next.

Smoker or non-smoker, I can't understand how anyone could think that government needs to be this intrusive.
 

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I think they should ban prevent people who have or have has a cold in the last month (or will have within the next month) from exiting their houses. They are a danger to the rest of us. Especially to children and expectant mothers, people with immunodeficiency problems, respiratory allergies, asthma, craneal lobotomies, plastic surgery, breast implants, buttocks implants and cavities.

God Almighty, some of you are plain dumb, AND lobby-bait :nono:

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Unfortunately there is no law against smoking in bars in Tennessee and probably never will be. I personally don't smoke but the bar I work in gets so smokey that by the end of the night when I go home, my eyes are so red and my clothes smell horrible. Been working there for 8 years and have gotten used to it, doesn't bother me like it used to. To each his own! :cool:
 

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geez,

pretty soon they'll be banning restaurant owners from serving food with salmonella, and setting health standards for kitchens...I wouldn't be surprised if they even bring in buildimg codes for bars...aren't lumber and concrete legal substances???

I bet fire codes are next. Why can't bar owners crowd there places and board up the fire exits...After all it IS there business, and people can vote with there wallet and choose a clean well built restaurant or bar...right?

this is a health and safety issue...Workers in the bars should not have to go to work in unhealthy conditions...we set minimum air quality standards for other workplaces....Why not bars and restaurants...

cheers

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Smoke yer asses off..........

Smoke yer asses off..........

I Love smoking!
Smoked for 40 years.
Will probably smoke again when I become terminally ill.

BUT.......I don't like subsidizing cancer treatments (for smokers) with my ever rising insurance premiums. Medicare in trouble .....lotta boomers smoke and have for a long time. Young guys will have to help pay .......................

Cost of smoking.......thousand + each year for each smoker that COULD be driving the economy NOW........Shoooot ....Bush says his tax cuts are driving the real estate boom.....think what SMOKE savings could do.

3 years this August;) (thanks again for the support from Fletch, jack, DTB and the rest)........No more throat clearing, phlegm, sinus infections, I gotta tell ya........Smoke free life is good!!! My wife used to know where to find me in a store by listening for the chronic throat clearing.

My bar days are pretty much over "Thank God!" but still like to get a little "second hand" at Foxwoods racebook now and then.

I really believe that restaurant employees, bartenders etc don't need laws to protect them......Smoke goes with the job....don't want it...........train for something else!

Feel bad for you smokers......'Glad I stopped!!!"


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second hand smoke causes all kinds of problems just like smoking does

however, i am sick and tired of needing the government to babysit me and everyone else from the cradle to the grave...

if you want to be concerned about your health, frequent restaurants and bars that dont allow smoking

if you don't care or figure the benefits outweigh the risks, go to the smoking bar

if you want your bar or restaurant to have smokers, thats your choice and you should be entitled to run it how you please

Screw the government and screw the lawyers who try to make a quick buck off of businesses for choosing to cook their food, run their business -- smoking or non smoking, and everything else

let them run it the way they want and let the free market decide what sells and what does not.....if you lower the expectations on everyone than that is exactly what you get...you get a country of babies and idiots...and our government is nurturing the generations along
 

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Just read in newspaper that 60% of New Yorker support the smoking ban in public bars and that 70% of bars have reported an increase in revenue since the ban.

Funny thing was who sponsored the poll........

Mothers for Tobacco Free Children!!!!!!

laughed my ass off.

I support the ban everywhere but bars. Just seems Unamerican to me. They have had a few smoke free bars before the ban and none of them made it but one. i think the market should dictate whether their should be smoking or non smoking. if non smoker want it smoke free, support those businesses.

Feel bad for some bar owners in this area. Know one who spent over 50 grand putting in a fan/filter system before the ban and then the state comes in one year later and says no smoking. Another has a 15 stool neighborhood hole in the wall. Been in business for 30 years and he has lost over 75% of his business in last eight months. The state just came in and destroyed his livlihood.
 

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I talked to a friend of mine the other day.....he quit smoking 8 months ago......went on the smoke away plan......he had a 3 to 4 carton a week habit that lasted for 30 years......went on smoke away and kicked the habit in 6 days....he's absolutely sold on thier system.....listening to him is about like listening to some of those infomercials on tv.....except that I know him and I trust him when he says he feels like he's 30 again.....

As far as the smoking in bars thing......really I'm undecided.....banning smoking in bars is about like banning profanity in bars......

Big turnoff for me is walking around in some place....be it a bar or wherever, and seeing cigarette butts on the floor, along with some nice burn spots to go with them......go into the bathroom and there's butts in the urinal.....burn spots on the pool table where the shooter left his cig while he shot, then walked away and let it burn a fawking trail.....

Jesus Christ do these smokers do this in thier own houses? I can't remember the last house I walked into and found those conditions.......

Why have a urinal in a bar anyway? Just find an empty corner of the bar and piss on the carpet.......maybe put out the cigarette the last guy threw down......

No way in hell I'd have a bar with carpet in it.....I've seen bars put new carpet down and it looks like hell in a couple of months....tile it instead......put in one of those urinals that take up the whole goddamn wall so all they have to do is face the wall and spray where they want.....can't hit a urinal anyway....

Having a non-smoking section in a place is a joke with the air moving around.....

If smokers were more responsible about using ashtrays and not throwing the butts wherever they pleased then maybe there would be more acceptance......I guess in the eyes of some smokers all that defines an ashtray is a couple of doors and a roof overhead.....
 
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