Wow! If this guy's rightwing, imagine what mods and lefts think

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Interview with Kevin Phillips, lifelong republican and former chief political strategist for Nixon. I don't necessarily agree with a lot of his 'dynasty' comments, but it's always interesting to see what prominent, staunch Republicans think of George W.

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The House of Bush

Rep. strategist Kevin Phillips on the Bush family's hunger for power

By Eric Bates

Serving up secrets and lies

Listening to Kevin Phillips talk about politics, it's easy to mistake him for a populist firebrand from the 1890s.
But Phillips is no left-wing demagogue. He's not only a lifelong Republican, he's also the guy who literally wrote the book that became the blueprint for the party's dominance of presidential politics. Phillips served as the chief political strategist for Richard Nixon in 1968, and, in The Emerging Republican Majority, he formulated the "Southern Strategy" that helped hand the White House to the GOP for a generation.

Is Bush really any worse than Nixon?

What makes the Bush family so different -- and, in many ways, so dangerous -- is that they've created a dynasty. The second Bush administration is a political restoration, not unlike the English Stuarts in 1660 or the French Bourbons in 1815. In the last election, the Republican Party turned to the eldest son of the Republican who got the boot eight years earlier. That's what this country fought a revolution to get rid of in 1776. Nobody thought that there would be another royal house, with a couple of Georges.

Royal house? Isn't that a bit of a stretch?

The family has made a big deal of the notion that it is descended from royalty. Burke's Peerage even got involved in the last election, saying that Bush won because he had the most royal ancestry. The Bushes eat this stuff up. They don't need democracy -- they feel entitled by ancestry. For them, the presidency is something that can be won with a Supreme Court decision.

Still, what's so bad about a son succeeding his father as president?

This type of dynasty is antithetical to the American political tradition. The presidency is now subject to inherited views, inherited staff, inherited wars, inherited money, inherited loyalties. I'm not talking about particular policies -- I'm talking about a unique evolution of a corrupting institutional process in American governance.

If this is a dynasty, who's next? Jeb?

He's the logical choice. If they decide there needs to be a gap, you might have Jeb's son, Neil P., in twenty years. Given Hillary's position in the polls, it could go back to the Clinton's first. People are obviously willing to play the relatives game right now.

How are the Bushes viewed within the Republican Party?

There was always a sense that George H.W. Bush was somebody who didn't owe anything to voters -- he couldn't even win an election for Congress. His push came from people behind the scenes, from the Establishment. Both his grandparents were heavily involved in wartime finance and military contracting during World War I -- they were there at the very start of the military-industrial complex -- and his father was a U.S. senator who directed an oil-services company like Halliburton. They had ties to big money, big oil and the Eastern old-boys network.

Bush's enemies in the party were people who were insulted by the way he played on his privilege and connections. Richard Nixon was one; Ronald Reagan was another. Donald Rumsfeld didn't like him, either -- he and a lot of others in the Ford administration thought Bush was a lightweight. In one of Rumsfeld's greatest miscalculations, he put Bush in charge of the CIA, thinking that would ice Bush's political future.

As director, he became near-family and a business associate of Saudi princes. He funneled arms to Saddam Hussein and then, as president, fought the first Gulf War to oust Saddam from Kuwait. And he was implicated in scandals involving the Iran hostages and BCCI, the rogue bank that financed clandestine arms deals.

What does that have to do with the current administration?

By the time George W. came in, he was a product of a family that was more embroiled in the Middle East than almost any other American family -- to say nothing of any other major American political family. The administration has not been interested in turning over any rocks that represent Saudi Arabia, because the Bush family has been in bed with them for so long. In addition, many of the people surrounding the president are former retainers of his father. They wanted to nail Saddam because he got away from them before. That's a central element of restorations: the settling of old scores.

And the continuation of old favors?

Enron is a prime example of that. No other presidential family has made such prolonged efforts on behalf of a single corporation. This was the first scandal spread out over two generations, and it was the biggest in terms of size. Enron was the nation's fifth-largest company when it went belly up -- it had a lot more impact on the economy than the small oil companies in the Teapot Dome scandal. Ken Lay needed government favoritism, and the Bushes supplied it. George W. made calls to drum up business for him in Texas, and George H.W. made Lay the chief planner for a G-7 meeting, which helped Enron get approval for major overseas projects. Thanks in large part to the Bushes, Enron received more than $7 billion in government subsidies.

Religion played a major role in W's victory. How does his relationship to the religious right differ from, say, Reagan's?

In moral terms, Reagan wasn't exactly running the Bluenose Express -- he was the first American president to be married to two different Hollywood movie stars. He knew how to put on a good show when he was talking to the religious right, but there wasn't a whole lot they were going to get out of him. And when it came to Bush's father, the religious right thought he was some guy with striped pants who came from these schools where their fathers had been janitors. They didn't relate to him at all.

George W. is another story. He's a guy who's been born again, who believes in a lot of what the religious right does. He's Reagan quadrupled in terms of his holier-than-thou, I'm-the-Messiah attitude. He sort of fell into national politics serving as his father's representative to the religious right in 1986. It was right around the time that he was finding religion himself -- and the time that fundamentalists and evangelicals, having made their big splash with Reagan, were beginning to institutionalize power within the state Republican parties and a national framework. George W. spent enormous amounts of time with these people, and he learned how to walk the walk and talk the talk. He is able to be so strong with the religious right because he got inside their whole setup. He can figure out how much to give them to get them on his side and keep them under control. For the first time in history, the president of the United States is the acknowledged leader of the religious right.

How has that role shaped his approach to the war on terrorism?

Based on his support among fundamentalists and evangelicals, I would say that a slight majority of the people who voted for him probably believe in Armageddon. After 9/11, that allowed him to think of himself as somebody who has an almost God-accorded role. He sees himself as an anointed leader, and his speeches evoke religious code words: evil, crusade, the ways of Providence, wonder-working power. One biblical scholar who analyzed Bush's speech to the nation on October 7th, 2001, announcing the U.S. attack on Afghanistan, identified a half-dozen veiled borrowings from the Book of Revelation, Isaiah, Matthew and Jeremiah.

Besides religion, how has the Republican Party changed since your days with Nixon?

In some ways, you could say that Reagan was a halfway point. Reagan was tired of government programs, but he didn't want to dismantle the New Deal -- he just didn't want those programs to get out of hand. George W. grew up in a family where they never needed a safety net in the course of the twentieth century -- and they weren't interested in anyone who did. He believes private charity will take care of the needy.

Reagan also didn't believe in preemptive war. He talked tough, but there wasn't this whole theology in place, like we've seen in the last couple of years, that says, "We're entitled to fry anybody we want."

Can Bush be defeated?

History shows that restored dynasties eventually overdo it and tank themselves -- but it usually takes more than four years. The French Bourbons were restored in 1815 and got the heave-ho in 1830. The English Stuarts were restored in 1660 and ejected in 1688. The problem is, the other side gets dismasted by the restoration and can't mount an effective opposition.


What would that blueprint look like?

You have to focus on the Bush family itself. They have made the presidency into an office infused with an almost hereditary dishonesty. There's so much lying and secrecy and corruption to it. Just look at the way Neil and Jeb and Marvin and George W. have earned their livings, with all these parasitic operations: profiting from their political connections, cashing in on favors from big corporations and other governments. It's a convergence of arrogance -- the sense that you don't have to pay attention to democratic values. It's happening again with Halliburton. They can't help but let their old cronies in there to make buckets of money off the war.

Their own arrogance provides a handle for their defeat. If the country does not come to grips with what Bush has done, then we may lose what we value about our republican and democratic government.
 

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This guy may have been an advisor to Nixon, but he is no staunch republican JUST READ AND LEARN


Fortune, July 16, 1990

Books and Ideas: The Identity Crisis of Kevin Phillips

By Walter Olson

America is headed for an all-out kicking match between its Gucci-clad haves and its shoeless have-nots. Or so we may be hearing in coming months, since class conflict is the theme of The Politics of Rich and Poor: Wealth and the American Electorate in the Reagan Aftermath (Random House, $19.95), a new book by one of the nation's most unstoppable opinionizers.

Author Kevin Phillips is to quote dispensers what Pez is to candy dispensers. Asking Nexis for his recent clips triggers the equivalent of a pinball TILT, warning that more than 500 are forthcoming. Phillips is one of the political commentators who dominate the talk-show circuit and, significantly, one of the few routinely labeled as a conservative.

He came to note in 1969 when, as a Richard Nixon adviser, he wrote The Emerging Republican Majority, a clever analysis of voting patterns around the country. As prophecy the book was shaky -- the fabled Sunbelt lasted longer as a catch-phrase than as a cohesive voting bloc -- but the author marshaled his maps and statistics with insight and striking detail and won an all-purpose public role as campaign oddsmaker, national mood intuiter, and roving commentator on substantive policy.

Gradually Phillips grew more pessimistic about the prospects of conservative success. His view was that Nixon had ushered in a rightward political trend in 1968 that was due any day to peter out, allowing a cyclical return to liberal-left dominance. What happened instead was that Ronald Reagan got elected. In the years that followed, Phillips relentlessly forecast practical failure and public rejection of conservative leaders and their policies.

The more successes Reagan scored, the harsher grew his tone. "No serious observer ever thought that an actor from Hollywood would make it into the first tier along with George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and perhaps Franklin D. Roosevelt," Phillips wrote in 1987. "What now seems far-fetched is earlier speculation that he might join the six or eight of the second tier. He won't." Nor had the Noted Conservative much use for such figures as Margaret Thatcher, Robert Bork, or George Bush.

It got hard to tell where the mood forecaster left off and the change-of-mood exhorter began. In his monthly column for the Los Angeles Times, Phillips began beating the drum for an industrial policy and big tax hikes for upper earners, and accused free-trade supporters of being unpatriotic. Recently he proposed that well over $100 billion a year be shunted from defense into new government domestic spending. The differences between his creed of "populism" and the views of some leftish Democrats are not always easy to discern.

His current book represents a sort of wet-winged emergence from the ideological chrysalis. He insists that the way for Democrats to beat Republicans is to get the public mad at big business and the wealthy, and he devotes most of his 221 pages to stoking that resentment with every rhetorical means at his disposal. He even flays Democrat Michael Dukakis for stressing problem solving and economic growth instead of that more divisive theme during the 1988 campaign.

The across-the-board Reagan tax cuts, he asserts, amounted to a "program almost certain to help the rich at the expense of others and to stuff more money into already fat investment accounts." He omits no demagogic potshot or slighting reference to the "minks and Jaguars" set that the Republican Party supposedly represents. The book is a work of intense partisanship, but not the brand of partisanship so often ascribed to its author.

All those top-hatted GOP plutocrats can relax for the moment: Phillips's ammunition is soggy, his account of our supposed Gilded Age hopelessly leaden. Few readers will make it to the end. In The Growth Experiment (reviewed in Fortune June 4), Lawrence B. Lindsey elegantly pre-refuted the Phillips line on taxes. Lindsey, who is a Harvard economist, noted that cutting the rates of the highest earners doubled their contribution to federal income tax revenues from 7% in 1981 to 14% in 1986.

One example of Phillips's style of argument will spare the need for many. Even the affluent, he writes, "enjoying their champagne and raspberries, wondered how real the good times were. For the 20 to 30 percent of citizenry in circumstances prosperous enough to grump at but pay for $7 movie tickets or to disregard restaurant prices outrunning the cost-of-living index, the Eighties had been good years. Yet troubling undercurrents had begun to make it all look shaky."

This is memorably absurd. Reagan (with Paul Volcker) cut the rate of inflation from 13% to 4%. Phillips can't take that away from them, but his consolatory grievance is that many prices (around half, in fact) outran the cost-of-living index, a vexing problem that his own preferred policies would no doubt rectify. The literal-minded reader might conclude from his account that in the 1980s movie theaters turned into ritzy places that drew their clientele exclusively from the upper 20% or 30% of household incomes. Or does his odd syntax imply that middle-class moviegoers could afford to buy $7 tickets but could not afford to grump at them?

What Phillips does not tell readers is why restaurant prices, in particular, were rising. One reason is that restaurants use more than their share of low-wage labor. When job creation took off and unemployment plunged in Reagan's second term, managers found they had to bid up wages because competent waiters, dishwashers, and cashiers had other options. And so menu prices rose. Some war on the have-nots, no?

The whole book is like this. The non sequiturs slither in all directions like amoebas on a slide. Several passages have already begun to date hilariously, including one deploring the fortunes being made in Northeastern real estate, and another referring to disgraced former House Speaker Jim Wright as a leading "populist." And in order to portray deregulation as unfairly tilted toward the affluent, Phillips is obliged to ignore the single best-known result of airline deregulation: making family vacations cheaper.

Having spent year after inaccurate year hinting at a coming capitalist bust and statist resurgence, Phillips is understandably in no mood to dish out predictions wholesale in his latest volume. (Last August he announced that a leftward trend was under way, not just in the U.S., but in Western Europe as well; three months later the Berlin Wall began crumbling.) In fact, he scurries past overly specific forecasts with a sort of cat-from-stove alacrity. His new book says the Republicans will hold on to the White House "until disillusionment can no longer be avoided." And when will that be? Presumably we'll know when it happens.

Better writers and thinkers than Phillips have already tried to establish most of his propositions -- and failed. Robert Kuttner and Lester Thurow, to name two, have criticized deficit financing and Wall Street excesses with less stridency and more logic. But of course Kuttner and Thurow are acknowledged liberal-to-left Democrats. Phillips is unique in trailing that "C-R" behind him wherever he goes like a toy balloon, or as if he had just made it through a tough primary.

Bill McGurn, Washington bureau chief of the conservative National Review, chuckles when asked about Phillips. "Liberals love him, because he tells them what they want to hear," said McGurn. "I've never seen a conservative writer quote him, except maybe to disagree."

I have a proposal. I want to be a leftish Democratic pundit. I promise to take the opposite side on every issue from Kevin Phillips, the anointed conservative Republican. I will find nice things to say about Reagan, Bush, Thatcher, and Bork. I will call for more tax cuts and deregulation instead of trade wars and industrial policy. I will say that stirring up hatred of business persons is evil in itself and self-defeating as a way of helping low earners. All this, I take it, will qualify me to fill the seat reserved for a left-wing Democrat at TV round tables.

Reporters and talk-show bookers can reach me care of the Manhattan Institute in New York City. Shall I wait by the phone?

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Walter Olson is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research.
 

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Yes, i'll try to 'READ AND LEARN', as you say.

Perhaps I should restate it and say that Phillips *was* a staunch Republican. Now he just qualifies as a 'lifelong' 'Republican. Perhaps not 'staunch' anymore, but certainly on board.

This goes back again to your inability to accept that people on one 'side' can actually have differing views from the party line. It might seem hard to fathom, but you won't keel over dead if expand your mind and allow that maybe, just maybe, the 'enemies within' make a decent point every now and then.

What did you think about the religious implications of the interview in the article I posted? That interview was from a few months ago. Your book review was from 14 years ago.

Did you watch the Woodward interview on 60 minutes tonight? Interesting stuff and I might have to stand corrected as I have said that Bush is a puppet and driven by Rummy and Cheney. There was plenty of evidence in that interview that although Cheney was gung-ho as far as invading Iraq goes from the start, that Bush's recently found new-born Christian bullshit played a big part in this debacle. Something of a holy war, if you will.
 

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You know Kosar, I'm going to take your advice and I'm not going to get into a pissing match or even debate this any longer, and it sure in hell is not for lack of facts on this.

But you and eddie once again and all the rest once again are taking anything that is said by this "journalist"???? as the gospel truth, does niot have to reveal sources just through it out there as truth. as much as I get dumped on for relying on Fox news and talk radio you guys take anything the left elitist media says as gospel and thats it, well I've heard all this crap before from the big 4 and once again you guys go ahead a revell in it and have a great time agreeing back and forth, I'm sure it will make you all feel prettygood about the whole thing.

But just remember that after all is said and done and the votes are counted, when I come back in here to celebrate another 4 years of Pres Bush, you will realize that all this crap spewed by the bitter left will have been all for nothing.

Please don't take this wrong, I'm glad all you think woodward and clarke have got the pres, but IMO nothing has changed, so enjoy it while you can.

Take Care
 

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Bush is definitely the slight favorite to win, so that would be no surprise. Maybe Jeb is in the wings, as you like to say. That might not be so bad, I have no complaints with whatever he's done down here. As long as he doesn't recycle Rummy, Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, Ashcroft or any of his daddys or brothers cohorts then he should be ok.

I just hope that after '4 more years', and we have 100-200k troops STILL over there in 2008, you might just consider that this was a horrible idea.

And if we establish a peaceful democracy in the same timeframe, i'll be the first to publically say that I was wrong. :rolleyes:
 

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Ctownguy:

I agree with you. I don't think anything will ever change with you. You don't allow any opposing thoughts to interfere with your belief system.

In another thread, prior to your post, I said expect the same old "liberal media" arguement in response to the 60 minutes story. True to form.

You know here in Cincinnati, we have WLW, a Clear Channel station, that is a horribly biased talk radio right wing propoganda station that I believe you would enjoy.

Several year ago, during our race riots, some of the black leaders accused WLW "personality" Bill Cunningham as an instigator and fuel the fires of hatred guy. In a moment when Cunningham felt threatened by these accusations, he admitted:

"Its only entertainment"

Frankly its not my kind of entertainment other than to get scared when I hear fellow Cincinnatians call in and agree with these morons. Proves how dumb the world is.

You see, Ctown, you get your news from talk radio, which one of its biggest proponents has admitted is nothing more than "entertainment" designed to insight.

Look, you can find anywhere on the dial someone spouting off about any subject, war, Bush, abortion, etc. Realize that you are only looking for confirmation of your belief system.

I find myself doing the same thing. I skim over artilcles in the paper that don't necessarily go hand in hand in what I believe and thouroughly read artilcles whose headlines grab me as conforming to my own beliefs.

Gotta stop doing that as I may be missing the other arguement. If I know the other sides arguement I am more likely to be able to intellectually respond.

I guess I gotta stop listening to NPR and start watching Fox News.

ED
 

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eddie, that was an absolutely great post by you and I can tell when you are being sincere about what you are writing.

I also have no problem with you being on the other side as wrong as it might be, but when you feel you have to start with all the crap you not only deminish yourself, but you are leaving yourself wide open for someone to take offense and believe me you keep it up, it will catch up with you.

Beleive this or not but I've been spit on by bigger people than you and they have paid for it, so just keep the demeaning name calling and we'll work it all out someday, pal.
 

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CTG im trying to undestand why you always say Eddie is wrong. For that matter you say Democrats are wrong. But your always right? You of course dont really believe that. At least I hope for your sake you dont.
 
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