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Watch what jimmy brown and rev jackson has to say about this, not to mention the aclu and naacp.
Watch what jimmy brown and rev jackson has to say about this, not to mention the aclu and naacp.
Clarett ruled ineligible by appeals
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Wow. I'm very surprised about that ruling, and very glad. I assume this means those other 8 guys who were lining up to go at least two years early can't go now either?
I could just see college football turn into what college basketball is. The best talent staying a year or maybe two and jumping ship.
And as much as it pains me to say it, it serves Clarrett right for being such a jackass.
I wonder if this puts an end to it, or if they can appeal the appeal and so on and so on.
I could just see college football turn into what college basketball is. The best talent staying a year or maybe two and jumping ship.
And as much as it pains me to say it, it serves Clarrett right for being such a jackass.
I wonder if this puts an end to it, or if they can appeal the appeal and so on and so on.
Williams is getting Fuhked. He played by the rules and now is ineligible.
He is getting screwed. I would watch out for a nice lawsuit from him.
He is getting screwed. I would watch out for a nice lawsuit from him.
Kosar it better be a record fast appeal, the draft is this week isn't it? Tell me what happens if they have the draft and he appeals and his appeal is upheld and he turns out to be eligible?
Penguinfan
Penguinfan
Penguin,
I didn't mean so much for this years draft, but down the road. Does Clarett reload and try it again, shooting for next year? Or do others give it a whirl every year?
Toast,
I don't get your comments about Mike Williams getting screwed because he 'followed the rules'. I haven't followed all of the nuances of this thing, but he only is two years removed from High School and i'm wondering what he did that was different from the others.
I didn't mean so much for this years draft, but down the road. Does Clarett reload and try it again, shooting for next year? Or do others give it a whirl every year?
Toast,
I don't get your comments about Mike Williams getting screwed because he 'followed the rules'. I haven't followed all of the nuances of this thing, but he only is two years removed from High School and i'm wondering what he did that was different from the others.
toastonastick said:
That makes sense, though I tend to side with the NFL on this one, he should have to wait. His argument about the NFL's rules not applying to him because he is not a member of the players union yet is a bit rediculous, his intention is to become a member of it and where I work before we will hire you you must agree to become a member of the union and abide by it's rules and contract, it's not an option.
Penguinfan
kosar said:
Kosar- I'm assuming he meant that Williams didn't declare or state his desire to do so until after the intial ruling in favor of Clarett.
However, he also knew that the NFL would appeal that case and knew the risk he was taking, especially once he signed with an agent. That was his fault, IMO.
bjfinste said:
Oh, I see(I think). It all has to do with him getting an agent, so now he might not be eligible for college OR the NFL?
Correct. He can't go back to school and he won't be in the draft. So I assume the supplemental draft will be the way to go, but I have no idea how that works or when it is or anything.
kosar, tell me why you think someone should be required to wait four years after high school to play pro football. no similar rule for hoops, baseball, hockey, golf, tennis or any other sport that i know of - why just football? makes no sense to me, morally or legally.
He spoke with an agent after the Clarrett ruling. Now he cant go back and play college ball.
I think that it is a good rule that the NFL has. Do I think it will stand in court if really tested, hell no.
I think Williams will get lawyers after the NFL quick, before the draft?
I doubt it.
THe big winner in all this could be the Chargers who would pick first in the supp. Draft
I think that it is a good rule that the NFL has. Do I think it will stand in court if really tested, hell no.
I think Williams will get lawyers after the NFL quick, before the draft?
I doubt it.
THe big winner in all this could be the Chargers who would pick first in the supp. Draft
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Isn't Clarrett projected to be like a third or fourth round pick anyway?
And I am sure they could file for reinstatement to college sighting extreme circumstances.
And I am sure they could file for reinstatement to college sighting extreme circumstances.
I believe football has no rule about hiring an agent. If you declare for the draft, you lose college eligibility. It's not like basketball where you can declare and then take yourself out of the draft pool if you don't hire an agent.
My feeling is that the NFL's rule will eventually be eliminated. The NFL's position is that the draft eligibility is collectively bargained. That certainly has precedent in numerous industries. The problem here is that people who are disciminated against because of this collectively bargained rule have no other comparable options for employment. I believe if it makes it as high as the supreme court then it will be decided that this particularly collectively bargained rule is too discriminatory to be just. The NFL will have to give some kind of reason why this discrimination should be allowed other than, "it's bad for business." I would think that the NFL will argue issues of safety but in the end I find it highly improbable that the supreme court would be willing to set a precendent on allowing what amounts to blatant illegal age discimination just because it is collectively bargained.
My feeling is that the NFL's rule will eventually be eliminated. The NFL's position is that the draft eligibility is collectively bargained. That certainly has precedent in numerous industries. The problem here is that people who are disciminated against because of this collectively bargained rule have no other comparable options for employment. I believe if it makes it as high as the supreme court then it will be decided that this particularly collectively bargained rule is too discriminatory to be just. The NFL will have to give some kind of reason why this discrimination should be allowed other than, "it's bad for business." I would think that the NFL will argue issues of safety but in the end I find it highly improbable that the supreme court would be willing to set a precendent on allowing what amounts to blatant illegal age discimination just because it is collectively bargained.
Not sure why there worried about how much schooling they get. Many are there to just play a sport anyway. Those who cant count to well or there reading is below par get help for 4 years anyway. They just want to play. They dont give a chit about classes. Not everyone goes to college to start with. I dont know how your going to stop it from happening. It's just delayed by this judge. It wont go away for long.
Weasels of a Feather !
Weasels of a Feather !
Where's Claretts advisor, The Pillar of The Community, Jim Brown ?
:thefinger
Weasels of a Feather !
Where's Claretts advisor, The Pillar of The Community, Jim Brown ?
:thefinger
loophole said:
Loop,
Pretty much just selfish reasons. I much prefer seeing guys come through the system and I like seeing them play for 3 or 4 years as opposed to one or none.
It's looks like legally, the NFL is in the right. I'm sure it will continue to get challenged year after year by one player or another and maybe somebody will break through eventually. For right now though, it appears to be legally sound.
I don't lose too much sleep over the 'moral' ramifications on this issue. They can go to Canada to play for a year. Last I heard, they also pay players up there. Take out an insurance policy and sharpen up your game for a year or two. The only risk of that is getting exposed as an average player in an average league and that would reduce your signing bonus when you go to the NFL.
Trust me i have delt with the ncaa many years this was not just a nfl thing but a ncaa thing and they will not move off the agent thing i can assure you for williams and he won't get in a sup draft, the main problem from a coaching stand point and have been around ncaa baseball 12 years and longer around ncaa fb my whole life. Fb does not have a minor league system like baseball or hoops which is less then what baseball has, nfl europe is not really a great system for 18-20 year olds and no i mean no player is going to preform in the nfl like you see them in hoops right out of hs or 2 years out of college just won't happen maybe 1 out of 100 maybe a little less but not much more then that, the system is very hard to grasp it is far from college, and tell me how many players in baseball you know come right out and make a big impact out of hs or juco which i also coached in fl not many, not even after a ncaa jr as a top pick in baseball they go through the system because it is also a tough system and different game in the show then college or hs. Hoops face it say all you want and try to bust my nut is not that complex of a game comapired to the other 2 sports which i feel i am more then above avg in my knowelge about from a coaching and players stand point. this will not be changed and nfl union and ncaa are lot stronger then you really know.
you build a mior system for delveopment then fine but that is not going to happen, the span of a nfl player is much shorter then baseball or hoops and that is why baseball has a system from rookie ball to triple A. With out that less then 70% of drafted baseball players make it without a system set in place that does not worry about wins but about development till you get to the triple A teams then money does come into play, but the ther 2 sports you can take 2-5 years and work on skills fb no way the body cannot take the beating life span is 8.5 years in fb some hang on longer but that is the avg so don't think things will change and it is a good choice, as for williams his big mistake betting on ruling for MC like he did not know this would be fought over and over. time to head up north for a year and lose stock also due to being stupid, you don't need a agent to be drafted in first round, you can get drafted then once you see where you are at and what went on you can get a agent in a wink as a player like him, was very stupid and not well guided who ever made the choice to hire the agent.
you build a mior system for delveopment then fine but that is not going to happen, the span of a nfl player is much shorter then baseball or hoops and that is why baseball has a system from rookie ball to triple A. With out that less then 70% of drafted baseball players make it without a system set in place that does not worry about wins but about development till you get to the triple A teams then money does come into play, but the ther 2 sports you can take 2-5 years and work on skills fb no way the body cannot take the beating life span is 8.5 years in fb some hang on longer but that is the avg so don't think things will change and it is a good choice, as for williams his big mistake betting on ruling for MC like he did not know this would be fought over and over. time to head up north for a year and lose stock also due to being stupid, you don't need a agent to be drafted in first round, you can get drafted then once you see where you are at and what went on you can get a agent in a wink as a player like him, was very stupid and not well guided who ever made the choice to hire the agent.
