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What's interesting is that UCLA has gone from three players last season to 14 now who can bench 400 lbs. That puts them in the top-end of the Pac10, and the nation. Other Pac10 teams mentioned near the top were Washington (12 players), and at the bottom Oregon (three), WSU (two).

Nationally: Texas (15), Ohio St. (14), Miami (five to seven).

USC has 32. (That's not a typo, that would be thirty two). :eek:

Here is the ironic thing. USC S&C coach does not focus soley on weight lifting yet USC outclasses everyone in the country in weight training. Carroll hired Carlisle when he was assistant at Tennessee and I think he has been one of the major reasons along with Carroll and Chow for the success of USC. USC had 100% participation in this off season workouts, and out of the 85 players on the team, there were only a total of 14 absents during the whole offseason workouts.

I am huge believer in that the offseason is where you win or lose the games in the fall. I remember hearing Mack Brown saying that at his spring practice which was shown on ESPN. Nebraska I think was the first University to hire top notch S & C coaches and took it real serious. That was a major reason for the success of Nebraska.

Here was a Q & A that i thought was interesting that was related to weight training and how USC works out.

Q & A with Trojan strength coach Chris Carlisle
How much weight training is involved in your program?

We squat because you've got to have the base and everything, it's very important, but it's probably the slowest movement we do in the weight room. Everything else is maximum velocity because you have to train the way you play. We don't train slow in the weight room. We work on three premises and they're up on my board right now; How to, How fast, How much. When these freshmen come in we teach them how to lift. We teach them how to lift properly because we reduce the chance of injury when we get great technique. If you watch our coaching staff, this is all reflected on the football field. Maybe it goes back to me being a football coach but you have to teach the athletes how to do something first. Then we worry about how fast that ball moves because we've got to get at playing speed. Then we worry about how much, how much will come out of how to and how fast, how much just happens. We tie that all together with great technique, the coordination of the three joints and core development. Then you've got a football player, not a weightlifter. There's a huge difference, we've got a lot of kids coming out of high school who are weightlifters but this is not weightlifting. We lift weights but we train with a specific movement in mind. Everything we do in here can actually be taken back to the football field and re-enacted on the field. There are some people who say there's no cross over between the weight room and actually doing the skill, and there's some truth in that, but if you don't work on the movements in here you're not going to get great outcome on the field. You can jump all day and jump all day and your vertical jump may go up a little bit because you're jumping but when I come in here and I train exclusive movements and I train plyometrics and then we go out and test vertical jump, now we have great improvement. Rather than an inch improvement, we'll have a two inch improvement. You get a guy like Omar Nazel who weighs 250 now, he played at 225 last year, his vertical jump is now 37". People say there's no crossover, I say there's a great amount of crossover when you have a kid like Nazel who is 6-5, was 225, now is 250 and his body fat is down. We take body fat every four weeks, we know where his body is and now he's made a transition to where he's got a 37" vertical jump. When he walks out there now he's gonna be a factor. He was a lanky kid, now he's a football player. That's what we do in this program, Omar is a great example of what hard work and focus can bring about.

Bruins Flexing their Muscles
 
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Listen guy,

Nobody, and I mean nobody, wants to read inane posts about the strength of USC players or the coolness of USC uniforms or the length of Pete Carrol's cock. How you can find this nonsense "interesting" is a mystery to me.

Move on!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Listen Cie Grant,

It is a mystery to me why you replied to my thread if you dislike my posts so much. :lol:

I found it interesting how UCLA had only 3 players bench press over 400pounds last year, and they now currently have 14! That is impressive and interesting. I also find interesting how USC has more players benching over 400 pounds than Ohio St. and Texas COMBINED!!!!!! :eek:

USC = 32
Texas = 15
Ohio St. = 14
Miami= 5-7

Isn't it funny how many fans across the nation feel the Pac 10 is soft and how other conference teams are stronger. Well USC has 32 players benching over 400pounds, Washington 12, and UCLA 14, all 3 are on par or better than most teams in the country. MANY GAMBLERS LOST MONEY BETTING AGAINST USC IN BOTH THEIR LAST 2 BOWL GAMES BECAUSE THEY FELT USC WAS NOT A PHYSICAL TEAM COMPARED TO THEIR OPPONENT. HOPEFULLY THEY BECOME EDUCATED!!!!!

I could care less if YOU do not find my posts interesting. I just wonder why YOU take the time to open up my threads and reply to them? :shrug: That is the real mystery! :nono:
 
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The more I hear about UCLA, the more I like their chances to be the most improved Pac 10 team.

I believe they have most of their O line returning & several skill positions, including QB. Scoring has to be a major emphasis for the Bruins, along w replacing their entire starting D line. If they can keep a QB healthy, I expect them to look much better on offense in Dorrell's 2nd season.

UW breaking in a new QB, who is yet to be determined. Also looking for productive feature back & wideouts. "Gilby must go" talk is starting up, I expect the coaching staff to be more intense for the Huskies, but, too many holes to fill on the field.

I'm thinking the Huskies may be a go-against @ home v Bruins early next yr.
 

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UCLA's running back, Maurice Drew, is going to be a star this year. I saw him against my school, ASU, and he looked like a carbon copy of USC's next star, Reggie Bush.

Drew comes from a pretty good high school, DeLaSalle, where I think they have won over 130 games in a row...
 

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I agree, Drew is an awesome running back. Only thing I do not like about him is he fumbled too much for my liking.

I saw him against my school, ASU, and he looked like a carbon copy of USC's next star, Reggie Bush.

It was Lendale White (my favorite USC RB) who ran through ASU. He completely dominated and from that game on USC had a running attack. White attacks the holes hard. I think White is a better RB than Maurice Clarret. I think BUSH is on a completely higher level than Drew. Drew is better at running between the tackles but Bush is lightning fast with the ability to make people miss. In addition, Bush could play WR for any team in the country, he is that good at catching the ball. No LB in the country can defend Bush out of the backfield. Drew wanted to come to USC and USC wanted him, but he publicly said he did not want to compete with all the talented RB's USC had in that same recruiting class, so he signed with UCLA. Basically UCLA got a super-star RB out of default.

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I am not sure how good UCLA will be next year. The defense will struggle, especially having to replace the whole DL and other key starters at LB and secondary. In addition, I do not think the WEST COAST OFFENSE can be run successfully in college. I also have read spring practice has been a nightmare for UCLA. Many injuries and UCLA currently has ZERO CENTERS to work with. All the centers are hurt. However, I am impressed with the
S & C coach. That brings up a question i have for you and Marra.

What do you think about USC having twice as many players benching over 400 pounds than any team? In addition, USC is one of the fastest teams in the country. Is it fair? Are the other Pac 10 teams doomed? USC actually is still rebuilding as Carroll has only been at USC for 3 years so the best is yet to come for USC.

You could argue that USC is the most talented team in the conference, strongest team, fastest team, and have the best coaching staff. Is that good for the Pac 10? As a USC fan, I am thrilled but I wonder what the other fans of the Pac 10 think about the success of USC.
 
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I would not put a lot of stock into this stat. I've benched 350+ and have friends/training partners that hit over the 400 lb mark. We all also had one thing in common, we'd be awful if you put us out on the football field. I would put more stock into deadlift stats but none of this really equats to football speed, talent and most importantly field fundamentals.

I heard the first day at practice for the Cowboys Parcells reemed Larry Allen for making a real spectacle and benching 720 :eek: during a team workout. Really gave it to him about how Allen has lost flexability and being able to push a ton of weight while laying on your back doesn't mean much in the trenches. This is also evident by Robert Gallery being the consensus number one offensive lineman this year even though it has been documented that he has a weak bench.

From a stat like Scott provided I come away with one conclusion -- USC has one hell of a strength coach and/or they look for kids who are naturally strong during the recruiting process. Most of the credit should go to the strength coach though because I'd imagine its rare to find man college freshman that are approaching the 400 lb mark. Reflects well on USC's staff, but honestly don't think this is a statistic that will impact the win/loss column all that much.
 

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I totally agree with most of your post. I enjoyed reading it too. Benching over 400 pounds does not necessarily translate into being a great football player. If you read my original post, you would see that the USC S&C coach does not stress soley on increasing your bench press. He says he is not training weightlifters but football players. He does not want bodybuilders. Yet, USC has the most athletes bench pressing over 400 pounds.

but honestly don't think this is a statistic that will impact the win/loss column all that much.

This is where I completely disagree with you. Pete Carroll took over the program 3 years ago. USC S&C coach took over 3 years ago. I do not have the exact #'s but USC did not have many who could bench press over 400pounds before Carroll arrived. Look at USC now 3 years later! :eek:

I think you can make a STRONG CORRELATION between USC success and the success of the S&C coach. USC the last 2 years absolutely OWNED teams in the 2nd half. That is a reflection of the S&C coach and Carroll often praises the conditioning of the team.

The orginal point of this post was to see how UCLA increased the number of players who bench pressed over 400 pounds from 3 to 14. USC has 32 and look how successful USC is. Maybe UCLA is seeing the light. There is no team in the nation that can push USC around or is more physical. That is what I think UCLA wants.

BTW, S&C coach not only must make players stronger, but gain/lose weight, increase agility, speed, and stamina.

I would not put a lot of stock into this stat. I've benched 350+ and have friends/training partners that hit over the 400 lb mark. We all also had one thing in common, we'd be awful if you put us out on the football field. I would put more stock into deadlift stats but none of this really equats to football speed, talent and most importantly field fundamentals.

Were you recruited by a top notch Div. 1 football program? These players USC or any other college who is getting to bench press over 400 pounds are already exceptional athletes/football players. That is the whole point, recruit great football players, put them into "YOUR" conditioning program, and watch them progress.
 
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This is where I completely disagree with you. Pete Carroll took over the program 3 years ago. USC S&C coach took over 3 years ago. I do not have the exact #'s but USC did not have many who could bench press over 400pounds before Carroll arrived. Look at USC now 3 years later! :eek:

I think you can make a STRONG CORRELATION between USC success and the success of the S&C coach. USC the last 2 years absolutely OWNED teams in the 2nd half. That is a reflection of the S&C coach and Carroll often praises the conditioning of the team.

I feel you're giving the S&C coach too much credit. Seriously, to make a STRONG CORRELATION between the USC success and the success of the S&C coach then you'd have to take some credit away from another area of the staff, and I don't see you or anyone in their right mind taking credit away from Carroll and Chow. The S&C coach should be commended, his job is to make the players stronger and faster and obviously these stats prove he's doing an impressive job. I just don't think his function has nearly the same impact another aspect of the team such as Norm Chow's offensive system. Didn't want to take credit away from their conditioning program, but still don't feel they deserve the accolades as some of the other areas of the staff.



Were you recruited by a top notch Div. 1 football program? These players USC or any other college who is getting to bench press over 400 pounds are already exceptional athletes/football players. That is the whole point, recruit great football players, put them into "YOUR" conditioning program, and watch them progress.

No, but I never said I was either. When I left high school my best bench was probably around 135 --- but I'd be willing to bet that the average incoming football recruit is 275+ (my frame of reference is a friend who I went to high school with is a starting OL at Vandy and was around that mark in high school.) That was part of the point I was trying to convey, although his stat seems very very impressive I'm willing to bet the kids coming in already as pretty strong before they show up.
 

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First, I hadn't read anything regarding the injuries for the Bruins. If most of their injuries are on the OL, I doubt that will be a huge problem in the fall. Partly because of the healing time in the summer, & partly because that is where they seem to be the strongest w returnees.

Second, UCLA did extremely well on D last yr. That may have been attributed mainly to the experienced DL, but, I give Dorrell a lot of credit for putting together an excellent unit. The improvement over previous Bruin defenses was astronomical, and, therefore I am giving them the benefit of the doubt on that side of the ball.

Third, the Bruins offense last yr had too many QB injuries to make a judgment about the overall effectiveness of their schemes.

As far as SC's success being a bad thing for the Pac 10. I think the rest of the Pac 10 is not as far behind SC as it may seem. For all the talent, speed & strength the Trojans have, they can still only put 11 on the field at a time. Most Pac 10 teams field extremely talented starters. You pointed out that UCLA got stud RB Drew by default. Well if next yr a stud QB chooses AZ for the same reason & a blue chip LB goes to UW for the same reason, then things start to even out a little talentwise.

The biggest (& most insurmountable) difference for SC is coaching. The rest of the league can put together enough talent to compete athletically w SC, but, can the other coaches outthink Chow & Carroll? Game in & game out, I'd say no.

Also, when another Pac 10 team beats SC, they will instantly gain some national credibility for their program. Va Tech is still living off a couple wins over Miami in the Michael Vick era! I believe (or hope!) what may happen to SC is the same thing that happens to Florida St. They are projected first every yr in the ACC, but somebody in conf always manages to beat them.
 

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Your right that Carroll and Chow are the main reasons for USC success. I just think the S&C coach played a big part as well and often media and people do not realize it or give that area on a team the credit they deserve. Nebraska dominated for so many years because of their S&C program. I think UCLA is doing things right and will be interesting to see the results.

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Do you think the West Coast offense works in college football? I am strong believer it DOES NOT! Takes too long to learn and in college, players play for only 3-4 years so your constantly teaching this complicated offense over and over. PRO QB's struggle learning the west coast offense.

I agree with you UCLA had very good defense last season, especially on the DL. They lose their whole DL and they do not have very talented DL players returning. I think there is trouble on the DL and if you cannot stop the run your screwed. UCLA also lost talented LB and DB from last seasons defense. In addition, the recruiting the last 2 years at UCLA has not been stellar.

The offense does return pretty much everybody and that should equal success. Unfortunately, they are trying to run the west coast offense and it simply does not work well in college. UCLA returns their OL but this same OL is not very talented. Sure I think they will be better, but how much better?

The reasons I brought up the injuries was how can UCLA improve if they have so many starters out of practice? Especially when an offense is trying to learn a difficult offensive scheme. These players will be healthy in the fall but they are missing practices now.

It will be interesting to see how much UCLA improves next year. Dorrell had a lot of returning starters last year and he had a disapointing season IMO. This year he returns a lot of starters on offense but the defense in in shambles.

The biggest (& most insurmountable) difference for SC is coaching. The rest of the league can put together enough talent to compete athletically w SC, but, can the other coaches outthink Chow & Carroll? Game in & game out, I'd say no.

I agree and I think USC has a coaching advantage over anybody in the nation. USC outcoached Iowa 2 years ago in BCS BOWL game and Ferenze IMO is one of the 5 best coaches in the country. However, Tedford's offense vs Carrolls defense is going to always be fun to watch. Should be real exciting this year because USC's defense will finally have the players Carroll needs to run his defensive schemes.

USC just recruited back to back #1 recruiting clases. Last years recruiting class was claimed the best ever! :eek: That makes it very difficult for the teams to compete athletically. I think USC "could" lose or struggle against the Pac 10 teams who are experienced and have a lot of upperclass men. Until last year, that has been the trend of the Pac 10. SENIOR QB's leading their teams to a conference title.

I believe (or hope!) what may happen to SC is the same thing that happens to Florida St. They are projected first every yr in the ACC, but somebody in conf always manages to beat them.

:D I hope not but you might be right. History shows how difficult it is for any team to run the table in the Pac 10.
 

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I haven't had any thoughts regarding the West coast offense and how well it works in college. I do think that most everyone who runs the West coast offense, looks nothing like the great 49er's teams that ran it. So when I hear that a team is running that offense, I just think that means they are going to run more short & intermediate routes. Your statement does make me pause to think, but, again, I have no research to back any positives or negatives.

UCLA's season wasnt disappointing to me. I believe 1st yr, 1st time head coaches need time to learn how to coach at this level. The Bruins won some games early that they should have lost, & lost some games late in the season that they should have won.

I will say, however, that Dorrell was too stoic for my tastes. I dont think I ever saw him get angry or excited on the sidelines. Emotion can sometimes overwhelm talent, strength or other negative circumstances. He doesnt have to be Woody Hayes, but, challenge your players during the game, not just on the practice field or in the film room.

I also dont see very many strong running teams on the Bruins schedule. I think their biggest problem on the DL will be pressuring the QB, especially in conference play. In my opinion, the secondary is more of a concern. Will they give the DL time to make a few sacks? Or will they get chewed up when the DL is ineffective? If I remember correctly, they do have some talent coming in that should help them in the secondary.
I think USC "could" lose or struggle against the Pac 10 teams who are experienced and have a lot of upperclass men. Until last year, that has been the trend of the Pac 10. SENIOR QB's leading their teams to a conference title.
I think that is an excellent point. I will look out for that when the season comes around. SC is not vulnerable in very many areas, but, there should be a few D coordinators who have come up against the SC offensive schemes more than once now. If they have some sr DB's who know what to look for, they may be able to get some more stops against the Trojans.
 

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I say there's a great amount of crossover when you have a kid like Nazel who is 6-5, was 225, now is 250 and his body fat is down.


Scott I am not picking on USC but on all colleges in general......

Just something to consider............maybe these players are using the same supplements that Barry Bonds used.....Its a known fact at Nebraska they were and maybe still are eating more than just protein to get the size they are......to me 25lbs is quite a bit to put on such a short amount of time(I am assuming from last season to now(maybe 6 months). I am not saying it cant be done put doing it naturally kind of makes me wonder.

Maybe we could get Fletchers opinion on all of this.
 
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I think colleges are required to have sterioid testing. Not quite sure on that. But I honestly would not be shocked if few players used steroids but there really is no need too. Steroids is just a short cut to success and does more harm to you. For example, why work your ass off with roids and then you put yourself at a higher probability of getting injured. That does not help you get into the NFL if your injured all the time.

Remember at USC the players work their ass off. I know other programs have their players working their ass off but I find it hard to believe they are as dedicated as the USC players. The #'s speak for themselves. 85 kids on the team and this last off season, after winning the NC, there was 100% volunteer participation and only a total of 15 absences out of the 85 players all off season. That is called dedication and hard work which equals success.

On another note, to show how freaking hard these kids work out is KENECHE UDEZE. He will be a 1st round draft pick this Sat. and he led the nation in sacks. When he stepped foot at USC he weighed over 350 pounds and had lot of body fat %. He redshirted his first year, and after that 1 year he weighed around 300 pounds. LOST 50 pounds, GAINED MUSCLE, and has something like 4% body fat. The guy worked his ass off and steroids to my knowledge does not help lose weight. FAT weighs less than muscle and this kid lost over 50 pounds + gained muscle mass. Now he weighes less than 300 pounds. I can tell you one thing, if UDEZE went to UCLA or many other schools, very unlikely he would he be a 1st round pick.

Manual Wright, he was a frosh DL last year and came to camp weighing 330 pounds and 1 year later is now at less than 300 pounds and this guy is 6.6 ft tall. He gained muscle and increased his speed.

That WILFORK at MIAMI (who will be 1st round draft pick Sat.) would be better off playing at USC. He would lose that gut and be even more dominating.

These are the things that are happening at the USC S&C program and prob. happening at the other colleges who focus a lot of attention on S&C. I think it is often over-looked to a programs success. After reading the article, I am confident UCLA and Dorell are on their way to success although it will def. take him longer than Carroll.

I know the USC players get free PROTEIN POWDER and I am sure they all intake more protein than their current body weight to gain muscle. Many people cannot do that since it is very expensive to take multiple scoops of high quality protein every day. Very hard to eat over 200-300 grams of protein every day.
 
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I think colleges are required to have sterioid testing.

Makes no difference.........players know when and what to take to test clean when they have to if they even have to test. Ask Fletcher......some juice is in and out of your system very fast.


Remember at USC the players work their ass off. I know other programs have their players working their ass off but I find it hard to believe they are as dedicated as the USC players. The #'s speak for themselves. 85 kids on the team and this last off season, after winning the NC, there was 100% volunteer participation and only a total of 15 absences out of the 85 players all off season. That is called dedication and hard work which equals success

Scott........you need to read up on steriods.......this is one of the biggest reasons to take them.......they aid a lot in the recovery process which enables one to work out at a frantic pace so you are able to put on size. The reason for the high participation is probably because if you dont attend, the guy pushing you for your starting position is liable to get it.


The guy worked his ass off and steroids to my knowledge does not help lose weight.

Not so........do a search on steriods and look up cutting cycles........ever look at how lean and trim some track sprinters are..........this is a misconception some steriods help a lot in losing bodyfat by preserving muscle mass while dieting.



I know the USC players get free PROTEIN POWDER and I am sure they all intake more protein than their current body weight to gain muscle. Many people cannot do that since it is very expensive to take multiple scoops of high quality protein every day. Very hard to eat over 200-300 grams of protein every day.

....poor bodybuilders get this much protein pretty inexpensively


Scott bottom line is that if you dont the steriods are part of almost every college football program these days especially big time programs like USC,ND,Nebraska etc. then you are just looking the other way................look at the rosters of the 1980's compaired to the rosters of today and see how the size of these guys has increased over the years..............and thats not due to protein powder and workout routines...............
 
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Moffitt Named Strength and Conditioning Coach of the Year
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BATON ROUGE -- LSU's Tommy Moffitt has been named the 2003 College Strength and Conditioning Coach of the Year by America Football Monthly, the organization recently announced.

It was Moffitt's offseason conditioning program that help lay the foundation for LSU's national championship run in 2003 as the Tigers posted a 13-1 overall mark and beat Oklahoma, 21-14, in the Nokia Sugar Bowl to claim the school's first national title since 1958.

"Our team in 2003 was full of unselfishness," Moffitt said. "Everyone on the team cared only about the team's success rather than individual goals. We had 52 players that had perfect attendance for the entire season. They didn't miss a workout or a conditioning session all season. That's says a lot about the players we have here and the program that Coach Saban is building at LSU."

Moffitt, who just completed his fourth season as LSU's strength and conditioning coach, was named the 1999 Collegiate Football Strength and Conditioning Coach of the Year by the Professional Football Strength and Conditioning Coaches Society.

Moffitt joined Nick Saban's staff in January of 2000 after serving as the strength and conditioning coordinator at Miami for two seasons. Prior to that, Moffitt served as associate strength coach at Tennessee for four years.

As LSU's strength and conditioning coach, Moffitt oversees all aspects of LSU's off the field strength development, which also includes a weekly karate session during the summer.

Moffitt also manages LSU's fourth quarter program, which is the focus of LSU's offseason workouts. The fourth quarter program focuses on effort, toughness, discipline, commitment and pride.

"Our staff teaches pride," Moffitt said. "I have a tremendous staff in the weight room. Everything we do focuses on five elements - effort, toughness, discipline, commitment and pride. We lead as a staff and we make our players give effort.

"This is a team award. This is about the players and the coaches and doing the things necessary to be a champion, both on and off the field."
 
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