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Supposedly, ARZ QB Tillman, who left a lot of money on the table, to fight for our country, killed in Afghanistan.

Keep our country's finest in your thoughts, everyday.
 

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Football player or not, rest in peace to all the people who died in Afganistan for trying to make the world a better place for guys like us.
 

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agree Dave. As you know, I wasn't trying to glorify a NFL player over our many fine troops.

Living in Kansas, I get chills everytime another Fort Riley soldier is killed. One is to many, but they are dying to often. That goes for all our service people everywhere.

Probably not the proper thread, but I needed to vent.

One of my employee's son had part of his leg blown off, interviewed MSNNBC/Hardball a few weeks ago. Another employee's grandson was killed two weeks ago in Iraq.

Feel free to move this Jack to the general discussion forum. Sorry to mess this forum up with my emotions.
 

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Yeah I just re-read my post.

I meant to add to your post, not to criticize anything you said ;)

Pat Tillman is a great guy for obvious reason, but nonetheless I wanted to point out that we should sympathize will all the people dying, not just a recognizable football face.
 

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Vegas Dave said:
Yeah I just re-read my post.

I meant to add to your post, not to criticize anything you said ;)

Pat Tillman is a great guy for obvious reason, but nonetheless I wanted to point out that we should sympathize will all the people dying, not just a recognizable football face.

Football Player or not. Show me another person that would turn down 3.6 Million a year for $18,000 a year to fight for his contry.


I bet not many would do this. I have many friends that are in the military and believe me. Yes, this is a very sad day but joyfull. It is great to know that we have people like this fighting for what we live for.


By Tom Barnidge
NFL Insider

(March 20, 2003) -- Those who know Pat Tillman know that he always has welcomed a challenge.

As a youth, he high-dived from bridges and cliffs. At Arizona State, he hopped the fence at Sun Devil Stadium and climbed a light tower. Before reporting for training camp with the Arizona Cardinals two years ago, he competed in a 70-mile triathlon.

"He's like Forrest Gump. He tries everything," says Frank Sanders, his former teammate.

So no one should have been surprised last spring when Tillman, entering his fourth NFL season, shucked it all and joined his brother, Kevin, in setting out to become an Army Ranger. What's a three-year, $3.6 million pro football contract when you can collect $18,000 a year from Uncle Sam?


Pat Tillman gave up the glamour of the NFL to serve his country.

"Pat has very deep and true convictions," Cardinals coach Dave McGinnis said at the time. "He's a deep thinker, and believe me, this was something he thought out."

Tillman made no public statement. He wasn't in this for the publicity. But you didn't need to dig too deeply to find an explanation for his actions. Friends said that the 9/11 terrorist attacks had affected him deeply. Cardinals defensive coordinator Larry Marmie, after a conversation with his former player, said Tillman felt he needed to "pay something back" for the comfortable life he had been afforded.

Whatever his rationale, he clearly was serious about his pursuit. He and Kevin completed basic training in July and advanced through individual training in October. They graduated from parachute school in November, and completed the Ranger Indoctrination Program in December. Just that quickly, Tillman was assigned to the second battalion of the 75th Ranger Regiment in Fort Lewis, Washington.

"He's a full-fledged Ranger now," Army spokesperson Carol Darby reported. "He's ready for combat. He will move with his unit for whatever that unit is involved in."

The 75th Ranger Regiment was deployed recently, presumably to the Middle East. If the description that the Army attaches to the unit ("flexible, highly trained, and rapidly deployed light infantry force with specialized skills") is any measure, the 75th likely will wind up in the middle of the most serious action.

You can be sure that Tillman will be prepared for the challenge. He succeeds at just about everything he sets out to do.

Consider?

He arrived at Arizona State in 1994 on the school's last remaining football scholarship, landing a spot on the end of the bench, where dreams go to expire. He left four seasons later as the Pac-10 Conference Defensive Player of the Year.

He was selected by the Cardinals with the 226th pick of the 1998 draft -- the league packed up and went home after pick 241 -- and five months later, he was Arizona's starting strong safety.

This is a fellow who doesn't know the meaning of fail -- on the field, in the classroom, or anywhere else. He had a 3.84 grade-point average at ASU and graduated with a degree in marketing in 3? years.

Pat Tillman is nothing if not unusual. In college, he played linebacker, where he was thought to be too small. In the NFL, he played safety, where he was thought to be too slow. When he set a club record for tackles in 2000 and attracted the interest of another team, the St. Louis Rams, he declined their five-year offer sheet out of loyalty to the club that had drafted him.

NFL players hardly have been strangers to military service. Roger Staubach served four years after graduating from the Naval Academy before joining the Dallas Cowboys as a 27-year-old rookie in 1969. Rocky Bleier of the Pittsburgh Steelers nearly lost a leg to a land mine when he did a tour of duty in Vietnam.

But the list of names grows a little shorter when it comes to NFL players who have walked away from million-dollar contracts in the prime of their careers.

The story that comes to mind is one told by Bruce Snyder, Tillman's coach at Arizona State. It seems that Snyder planned to redshirt Tillman as a freshman, extending his eligibility by a season. Of course, that would necessitate Tillman remaining in college for an extra year.

"You can do whatever you want with me," Tillman said, "but in four years I'm gone. I've got things to do with my life."

Obviously, he still does.
 

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this is k.c.`s thread...

this is k.c.`s thread...

just like to say that tillman belongs up there with another football hero of another type..a k.c. chief....a guy with the same kind of "stuff'...a cut above...

the late,great joe delaney.....two guys cut from the same cloth,imo....
 

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thanks for bringing that up gardenweasel.

Delaney ranks way up there.

Vegas Dave, I never took your reply as derogatory at all. We are all friends here.
 
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