3-11 from foul line.he is the most overpaid nba player when you really consider what he does.wilt would destroy him in his day.kareem would get 30 on him everynight.i remember seeing laettner outplaying him in college.do you think he spends more time onhis rap music than his free throws.
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he must be doing alot of rap, because all the arm movement that goes along with it, must make him too tired to shoot ft's :tongue
he has it made.1 million or more per month.eat all you want and really not work at improving yourself in your profession.he has no desire to get better but just to be bigger than anyone else.wilt would eat his lunch.
sure he would. noone was better than wilt.dont think anyone will ever be that great again, shit the man scored 100 pts in 1 game.how dominating is that
Your right, I mean all he has done is fill his fingers with Championship Rings and dominate the position for the last decade.
Funny how nobody calls Duncan overpaid and lazy for shooting an embarrassing percentage from the line.
Funny how nobody calls Duncan overpaid and lazy for shooting an embarrassing percentage from the line.
Have you ever tried to shoot on one of those lowered rims? Because in reality these giants in the NBA such as Shaq and Duncan are the equivilant as the average guy shooting on an 8 foot hoop with a ball the size of a grapefruit.
I do agree that maybe they should be a bit better than they are, and more attention should be put towards improving this aspect of their game, but it is not coincidence that the best FT shooters in the world look like JJ Redick and Mark Price. It is not an easy feet to shoot from the FT line when your release point is essentially at the same height as the rim.
As for Shaq's diet and conditioning...that's another story. Let's just say there is a reason that Karl Malone is still very good at over 40 and I'm willing to bet Shaq will be long gone by then.
I do agree that maybe they should be a bit better than they are, and more attention should be put towards improving this aspect of their game, but it is not coincidence that the best FT shooters in the world look like JJ Redick and Mark Price. It is not an easy feet to shoot from the FT line when your release point is essentially at the same height as the rim.
As for Shaq's diet and conditioning...that's another story. Let's just say there is a reason that Karl Malone is still very good at over 40 and I'm willing to bet Shaq will be long gone by then.
I have to chime in on this one. Gotta agree. He is the most lazy bball player I have ever seen. He just doesn't dominate a game like he should and doesn't do anything to get better. They better pray they don't lose Kobe, because without him they are shit. Who you going to go to in the crunch like with Kobe today? Shaq, I doubt it, can't really create his own shot nor make one from 10 feet out or so. To boot, if they would utilize him, just foul.
Just blessed to be 7'1" and 330 lbs.. Would have gave my balls to be that when I played.
jr11
Just blessed to be 7'1" and 330 lbs.. Would have gave my balls to be that when I played.
jr11
Blackman said:
THAT IS NOT A VALUABLE EXCUSE!!
the 2 biggest players in the NBA are Shawn Bradley and Yao Ming!!
Shawn Bradley hits the 83.7% FT this year and career 71.7%
Yao Ming hits the 80.9% FT this year and career 81%
shaq best season was 62.2% in the 2002 season
I must ask again. Is Tim Duncan overrated and lazy then? He must be.
Jr11 if you played the game then you should know that he is a dominant force and it has nothing to do with being 7 foot and 300 pounds. There have been plenty of oversized stiff centers in the Nba. The athleticism Oneal has for his height and weight is remarkable. And contrary to what people say, he has a soft touch with the jump hook or bank
As for Wilt Chamberlain of course he was good. But the guys he was playing against were rail thin and over matched.
Jr11 if you played the game then you should know that he is a dominant force and it has nothing to do with being 7 foot and 300 pounds. There have been plenty of oversized stiff centers in the Nba. The athleticism Oneal has for his height and weight is remarkable. And contrary to what people say, he has a soft touch with the jump hook or bank
As for Wilt Chamberlain of course he was good. But the guys he was playing against were rail thin and over matched.
Exactly!KsYaS said:
The lazy ass has been 7'1 for what, 14 years now? Adjust to the freaking height from the free throw line already. You're only getting paid about $10 grand per free throw. Geesh!
the guy does not play anywhere as hard as duncan.he has been fortunate in that other than duncan he has not had to face a top center in their prime.
Though Duncan is a poor free-throw shooter, he has shot over 70% three times in his career and hit 79% one season. Overall he's a shade under 70%, not even average but certainly nowhere near Shaq's 54% career mark.
And as it was pointed out, there are players over 7ft tall who shoot well from the foul-line. That 'baskets are short to them, hands are too big for the ball excuse' is extremely weak.
And as it was pointed out, there are players over 7ft tall who shoot well from the foul-line. That 'baskets are short to them, hands are too big for the ball excuse' is extremely weak.
rick Barry has offered numerous times to work with Shaq on free throws. Shaq should get over the possible embarrassment of shooting underhanded.
he would be Wilt like in terms of domination on the offensive end if he hit 75 % of his FT.
On the defensive end, that is another story. LAZY!
Lastly, Wilt played against Russell, Thurmond, Reed, Bellamy, Beatty, and the likes every night. It was only a 12 man league then. No nights of with the Doleacks, Camby's, Bradley, Kurt Thomas' of the world guarding him. Anyone who thinks that Wilt would not be as dominate or more so (IMHO) is out of their mind.
he would be Wilt like in terms of domination on the offensive end if he hit 75 % of his FT.
On the defensive end, that is another story. LAZY!
Lastly, Wilt played against Russell, Thurmond, Reed, Bellamy, Beatty, and the likes every night. It was only a 12 man league then. No nights of with the Doleacks, Camby's, Bradley, Kurt Thomas' of the world guarding him. Anyone who thinks that Wilt would not be as dominate or more so (IMHO) is out of their mind.
OnaJ said:
Understood OnaJ. I do appreciate his agility and was not doubting that. I am just agreeing he is lazy. No reason not for him get at least 25-30 points per game and most importantly, 15-20 boards a night on average. Could you imagine if Ben Wallace or Dennis Rodman was that size, shit, they night average 25 boards a game. If he is not part of the offense with Kobe taking over, so be it, he can still dominate on the glass. That is my point because it seems he goes through the motions to often for my liking.
As for Tim Duncan, I would take him before Shaq if I am building a team. First pick.
jr11
Let me get in on this since there are no games until 7. I'm pretty familiar with Shak having followed him since his first game at LSU. Shak was lucky to hit a dunk his first season at LSU. They actually had a better 7 footer that entered school that same year named Stanley Roberts. They played them as the twin towers. Shak was getting all the attention so Roberts transfered to Miami. Shak didn't develope any shooting touch until Kareem worked with him one summer. I felt sorry for Shak in college. The way to beat LSU was have five players that you didn't mind for them to foul out. Shak took a hell of a beating in college. When he got to the NBA it was another story. I've got tired of them letting him run over defenders without getting called for it. It does seem that they are calling more fouls on him this year than before.
Now let's look at Wilt. I'm also very familiar with him having followed him at Kansas and living in Phil when he came to the Warriors. The center that Wilt replaced at Phil was Joe Faulks. I was at the game that Joe set the NBA scoring record of 64 points which was broken by Wilt the following year. I believe that Faulks was 6'4' but he was one hell of a ball player and of course nobody even remembers him. Most people think that Wilt just dunked the ball but his fav shot when he was at Kan was a 15 foot jump shot. The only 7 footer in the NBA that year was George Mikan but with Wilt's success all the NBA teams started looking for 7 footers primarily to stop Wilt. Along came Russel. Bill was supposed to stop Wilt and get rebounds. Well, Wilt took that rebounding thing personally and went out and got 50 boards three different times. Of course Russell did too. Has Shak ever got 50? When Wilt was traded to the Lakers they had plenty of fire-power already on the team and Wilt was tired of being known only as a scorer so he lead the league in rebounds and assists. I believe he is the only NBA center to lead the league in assists. He and Shak had one big thing in common. Foul shooting was for Wilt and is for Shak a big problem. Wilt tried right handed, left handed, two handed set shot type and what is now reguarded as the Rick Barry style. He probably was more successful with the underhanded version because that's the last one I remember him using. Shak is not a shooter. He has no touch on any of his shots so it's no surprise he has trouble at the foul line but Wilt could shoot and worked very hard at the foul line. He just couldn't hit them. I have nothing against Shak. Been a fan ever since the first game I saw him in, but I can think of at least five centers (in their prime) that I would rather have on my team. Wilt's one of them.
Now let's look at Wilt. I'm also very familiar with him having followed him at Kansas and living in Phil when he came to the Warriors. The center that Wilt replaced at Phil was Joe Faulks. I was at the game that Joe set the NBA scoring record of 64 points which was broken by Wilt the following year. I believe that Faulks was 6'4' but he was one hell of a ball player and of course nobody even remembers him. Most people think that Wilt just dunked the ball but his fav shot when he was at Kan was a 15 foot jump shot. The only 7 footer in the NBA that year was George Mikan but with Wilt's success all the NBA teams started looking for 7 footers primarily to stop Wilt. Along came Russel. Bill was supposed to stop Wilt and get rebounds. Well, Wilt took that rebounding thing personally and went out and got 50 boards three different times. Of course Russell did too. Has Shak ever got 50? When Wilt was traded to the Lakers they had plenty of fire-power already on the team and Wilt was tired of being known only as a scorer so he lead the league in rebounds and assists. I believe he is the only NBA center to lead the league in assists. He and Shak had one big thing in common. Foul shooting was for Wilt and is for Shak a big problem. Wilt tried right handed, left handed, two handed set shot type and what is now reguarded as the Rick Barry style. He probably was more successful with the underhanded version because that's the last one I remember him using. Shak is not a shooter. He has no touch on any of his shots so it's no surprise he has trouble at the foul line but Wilt could shoot and worked very hard at the foul line. He just couldn't hit them. I have nothing against Shak. Been a fan ever since the first game I saw him in, but I can think of at least five centers (in their prime) that I would rather have on my team. Wilt's one of them.
Couple of corrections GSP...
Russell was in NBA before Wilt.
Wilt led the league is assists when he was on the 76ers. The 76ers won the championship that year.
Wilt was successful with the underhand FT but also was embarrassed to shoot it. Wilt was a 80% FT shooter in practice so he always thought he could do it in a game but couldn't.
Jerry West always said that Wilt was the best jump shooter on the Lakers. Wilt use to take Jerry and gail goodrich on in shooting contests and would win more then his share. Wilt actually had a soft touch.
Wilt actually did NOT dunk the ball much when he was scoring all those points. it was considered to be showboating back then, punishable by a assortment of elbows and such the next time you came down the lane. the dunk did not become acceptable until the ABA days.
Russell was in NBA before Wilt.
Wilt led the league is assists when he was on the 76ers. The 76ers won the championship that year.
Wilt was successful with the underhand FT but also was embarrassed to shoot it. Wilt was a 80% FT shooter in practice so he always thought he could do it in a game but couldn't.
Jerry West always said that Wilt was the best jump shooter on the Lakers. Wilt use to take Jerry and gail goodrich on in shooting contests and would win more then his share. Wilt actually had a soft touch.
Wilt actually did NOT dunk the ball much when he was scoring all those points. it was considered to be showboating back then, punishable by a assortment of elbows and such the next time you came down the lane. the dunk did not become acceptable until the ABA days.
I believe it was the beginning of last season when Shaq was asked why he didn't get his necessary medical treatment in the off-season instead of after the start of the season.
He said, "It happened on the job and I'm going to have it fixed on the job."
Shaq=horse's ass
He said, "It happened on the job and I'm going to have it fixed on the job."
Shaq=horse's ass
