post game 1, Laker/spurs comments (please join in your thoughts)

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First thing that stands out to me is that no matter what LA tries to do, it will always boil down to Kobe #1 option; shaq #2 option; and even HOFs only get table scraps after that ... now with that premise, I do think GP is a cancer and always has been, being a seattle guy I know his antics inside out--he has gone into pouting mode IMO, and appears useless (1-8 today) and all thru playoffs to date, shooting 33% in playoffs and not once hitting his season avg. of 14 pts, netting 5/13/7/11/6/4/ :shrug: :confused: ...

PJ only played one Laker sub more than 9 mins, where Spurs played 3 over over 14 ... that doesnt bode well for older team ... Mailman led LA with 5 assists prob not the best sign from your 4 man, even tho he was 3rd during reg. season on team ... today LA had 16 ass/21 TOs--contrast that to reg. season 24/13 ratio

Gino is still as underrated as any NBA player ive seen in ages, his hustle plays never cease to amaze

ok, its only one game, the lakers arent dead but Id like to see what you guys think going into game 2 ...


gl, gregg
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What I saw was a Laker team that did not match up well
with San Antonio. San Antonio plays solid defense which is something the Lakers do not do. San Ant had alot more open looks at the basket and they can hit the clutch shots.

I do not think the Lakers have much of a chance of winning this
series. If they get two games they will be lucky.

I took the Lakers and the points and the Lakers showed me what they were made out of this afternoon.

Looks like Malone and Payton experiment might not have worked out so good. I think your right about Payton sulking on the bench with his 30 minutes a game.

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okay well whatya know?

okay well whatya know?

Bill Plaschke:

Playing as if He's Wearing Gloves

Game 1: Lakers-Spurs


SAN ANTONIO ? In one corner, a veteran despaired.

"I didn't bring it," Karl Malone said. "The game I played is unacceptable."

In another corner, a veteran whined.

"We didn't do a bad job on Tony Parker defensively, we just need to go back at him at the other end," Gary Payton said. "But this is not an offense where we can do that."

In one corner, a veteran shouldered the responsibility of the Lakers' 88-78 loss to the San Antonio Spurs in Game 1 of the Western Conference semifinals.

"I did a terrible job on the defensive end. ... Veterans don't make the kind of mistakes I made on offense," Karl Malone said. "This one's on me."

In another corner, a veteran passed the blame more deftly than he, with a whopping three assists, had passed the basketball.

"In Seattle, we made Tony Parker play defense too," Gary Payton said. "Here, we don't go back at him."

They say that the true measure of a man can be found not in how he achieves success, but in how he handles failure.

In their first major playoff test Sunday, the Lakers' two prize purchases failed miserably.

Afterward, one guy looked about a foot taller than the other guy.

Can we finally conclude that when the Lakers claimed to have found two championship answers last summer, they were only half right?

Malone played Sunday as it he never took his feet out of their daily ice bath, but with him, there's hope.

He missed seven of 10 shots, but they were mostly the sort of mid-range jump shots he was making in the first round against Houston.

"Those are shots I have made before, and I'll keep taking them, I'm not worried about that," he said.

He was torched on defense by Tim Duncan, who missed only five times in 18 tries and scored 30 points, but historically, Malone shoves back.

"They were aggressive, and they pushed us around a little," he said.

And about his three turnovers, including a couple of bad passes during the Spurs' 21-6, fourth-quarter run?

"My teammates are looking at me, I need to set an example, something like that is contagious," he said. "I can't be making those plays. I will get better."

With Malone, you believe it.

With Payton, you seriously wonder.

For most of the afternoon, he looked like one of those local "conventioneers" that Coach Phil Jackson is trying escape by bringing the team back to Los Angeles between Games 1 and 2.

Perpetually lost.

On offense, the Glove was an oven mitt, making only one of eight shots, throwing up one off-balance clanker at the start of the Spurs' final push, then fumbling away a rebound at the finish.

On defense, the Glove was the kind with no fingers, and the only way anybody would have believed he had done a good job on Parker was if this had been Souvenir Blindfold Day.

Parker may have made less than half of his shots ? eight for 19, as Payton reminded everyone ? but far more deadly were his penetrations.

Every time he sped past Payton, something good happened for the Spurs, with nine assists and numerous other passes that turned heads and opened spaces.

For all his running around, Parker had only one turnover.

For all his denials, Payton had zero steals.

And then Payton blames it on the fact that he's not handling the ball enough?

While the stark differences between Malone and Payton make for good locker-room drama, at this point, one wonders if it would have been better to see Malone show up last summer with someone else.

Say, Tyronn Lue.

Payton repeated Sunday that, if he had been allowed to use his height to post up Parker and draw fouls and wear him down, the defense wouldn't matter so much.

"It's a lot frustrating, it's very frustrating," Payton said. "I know I can go back at this kid."

But what makes anyone think those shots would suddenly start falling against a guy who is still twice as quick?

"The shots I'm taking right now, they're not rhythm shots," Payton said.

In other words, Payton is still complaining that the triangle offense is, well, um, the triangle offense.

Nine months after he accepted nearly $5 million to play in it.

How dare Phil Jackson!

The next time Payton thinks about opening his mouth about the triangle, he should stuff a trapezoid in it.

Better yet, he should just look across the room at Malone.

This is a time when champion Lakers, from Jerry West to Kobe Bryant, have locked away their egos and trusted in the team.

For all the talk about the Lakers' Big Two, they could not have won those three consecutive championships without the Other Five, from Robert Horry to Rick Fox to, yes, even Lue.

Sunday showed a different team, a thinner team, a more uncertain team.

You think Bryant shot too much and too wildly? Who else was willing to step up?

Bryant and O'Neal combined for 18 field goals Sunday, 10 more than the rest of the Lakers combined.

They took 40 shots, 11 more than the rest of the Lakers combined.

With the score tied 69-69, Rasho Nesterovic was left wide open in front of the basket by a defense that did not rotate. The tie was broken.

After the Lakers pulled back to within two, they committed four turnovers in two minutes, all of them errors not only of commission, but confusion.

Bad pass by Derek Fisher. Bad pass by Bryant. Fumble by O'Neal. Shot-clock violation after a Bryant airball.

At times, it looked like last year's playoff losses here, and at times, you had to wonder the same thing you did then.

If only they had Karl Malone and Gary Payton.

The first guy is expected eventually to show up for this series.

The second guy may have already skipped town for good.
 

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I'm a huge Laker fan and to watch a 7 pt lead evaporate into a 7 pt deficit in about 5 minutes just made me want to puke!! It all started when Rush was bringing the ball up court in the 4th quarter and got it stolen. What in god's name was Rush doing with the ball in the 4th quarter? In the 3rd quarter LA made their come back by driving the lane and dishing. In the 4th when Kobe was driving the lane SA collapsed and he couldn't do anything with it. OF course, I think he could have gotten to the foul line a couple of times and the over the back wasn't called on Shaq, either. But I'm not complaining about that, bc I think Phil screwed up by not fouling Duncan in the 4th quarter. Duncan is an amazing talent. He has a nice bank shot from 10 ft and can hit that 17 footer with ease, but he can't shoot free throws. In the 4th, I think he hit 3 straight possesions. After the first basket I would have fouled him the rest of the way. the Laker's bench is definately deep enough for this type of play. Why not, everyone does it to us. The only achilles heel for SA is their Free throw shooting and the Great Phill Jackson doesn't take advantage of it..

Bottom line is that Shaq and Kobe can't win every game, so the rest of the team has to show up at critical times of the game. SA's bench outscored LA by 17 pts. It's going to be a short series if that continues...
 

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MACH1 said:
The only achilles heel for SA is their Free throw shooting and the Great Phill Jackson doesn't take advantage of it..

:lol: Greatness??? :lol:

Let's see if the zen man can pull this one out. I know it was only one win, but LA's weaknesses were exposed.

Malone = showed his age

Payton = whiner, lack of enthusiasm for 4 quarters, can't stay with T. Parker mostly due to lack of enthusiasm. Still hasn't accepted P. Jackson's triangle offense.

O'neal = also showing his age, slow. At times, also lack enthusiam. If the game is close, it's hackaShaq. 30% FT?

Bryant = time back and forth to Colorado will start to take it's toll
 

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bc I think Phil screwed up by not fouling Duncan in the 4th quarter. Duncan is an amazing talent. He has a nice bank shot from 10 ft and can hit that 17 footer with ease, but he can't shoot free throws. In the 4th, I think he hit 3 straight possesions. After the first basket I would have fouled him the rest of the way.
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Agree with CryBoy's statements.

If the Lakers have to rely on fouling Duncan their goose is
cooked like a Christmas turkey.

I don't think the Staple Center is going to save the Lakers this time as San Antonio is not going to change its stripes.

They are solid and play tough defense.

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T Parker impresses the hell out of me, as mentioned before.

The Spurs defense is very good.

I played the Lakers yesterday, and I'm a Spurs fan.

Still think it will be an interesting series. It's either called the NBA or "I don't have a clue".

The later is the best conclusion. I always felt I had a very good grasp on the playoffs. I'm starting to feel like a good fade this year.

I just think no one should read to much into the 1st game.
 

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I just think no one should read to much into the 1st game.
Agree!

I was a graduating senior back in 85' when the Lakers played the Celtics in the NBA Finals. Back then, the Finals started in the last week of May. I was a huge fan of Magic Johnson and Kareem Abdul Jabbar. A few friends of mine where huge Larry Bird and Kevin McHale fans. On the day of graduation rehearsal, the Celtics were up 2-0 in the series. The guys from Thomas Jefferson High School who followed the Celics were counting their chickens already. What happened? If memory serves me right, the Lakers came back and won the NBA Championship that year. I never had a chance to celebrate that victory in front of my classmates. We all went our separate ways.

kcwolf, you are sound. Don't start second guessing. Best of luck the rest of the way.
 

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not to be a spoiler but ...

not to be a spoiler but ...

to set the record straight ...

As the second game of the 1984-85 NBA Finals approached, the Lakers knew exactly what they had to do. "Our break starts with good tough defense," Kurt Rambis said. "That forces teams out of their offense. Then we must control the boards. That's where the work comes in. If we do those two things, the fast break is the easiest part."

It was time, Riley said in his pregame talk, to make a stand. And they did. Kareem, in particular, reasserted himself with 30 points, 17 rebounds, eight assists and three blocks. Cooper hit 8 of 9 shots from the floor to finish with 22 points as the Lakers evened the series, 109-102. Best of all, they had stolen a game in the Garden and now returned to the Forum for three straight.

The Lakers hosted the Celtics for Game Three on Sunday afternoon and whacked them again with a 136-111 blowout. Worthy was the man of the hour with 29 points. But Abdul-Jabbar made his presence felt again with 26 points and 14 rebounds. At one point, Boston had led 48-38, but Worthy dominated the second quarter and led Los Angeles to a 65-59 edge at intermission. The Lakers ran away in the second half, during which Abdul-Jabbar became the league's all-time leading playoff scorer and helped his team gain a 2-1 advantage in the best-of-seven Finals.


gl, gregg
 

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Thanks for the correction. The point we must all see here is still don't read too much into Game 1.

I used to love the Lakers Showtime. Now it's just the opposite. I can't stand all the characters on the their current team. Would love to see San Antonio put them away, but it's not that easy.
 

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CB, i really almost didnt send that update

CB, i really almost didnt send that update

on fear of being anal, but i I never recalled Celts up being up 2-0 and blowing a final series so I had to check and didnt want u ever losing $$ on that hehe

Im with ya, just love the spurs and not a current laker fan; always respected Magic et al tho ...

but i agree lakers wont go away w/o some fight in game 2 ... sir charles about guarantees another ring for Spurs but the east isnt gona roll over, people somewhat forget the games have been fairly competitive for years even tho they havent won any rings or pushed a game 7 since MJ retired

gl,
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I'll say this. If you watched the Lakers all year, "rarely" did you see Shaq, Malone, or Payton make key or game winning shots. It amazes me but they all seem to miss so many clutch shots late in the 4th. Kobe more times than not comes through in the 4th quarter. Lakers are nothing without Kobe. I wished the Lakers could somehow trade SHAQ to Indiana for Oneal and Artest, or trade Shaq to Pistons for Ben Wallace and Hamilton. I doubt Pistons or Pacers would do the trade, although Shaq could have an easy time playing in the East.
 

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They didn't make any key clutch shots b/c #8 hogged the ball in the 4th.
case in point, vs Denver, 12/19/03, play was ran for payton but kobe decided it was his shot to take
 

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jjb said:
They didn't make any key clutch shots b/c #8 hogged the ball in the 4th.
case in point, vs Denver, 12/19/03, play was ran for payton but kobe decided it was his shot to take
I hope the Lakers continue with their selfish ways. Go Spurs!
 

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Kobe is clutch, you see the last day of the season? 2 clutch 3s to beat the blazers
 
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