disney forbidding distribution of michael moore film that criticizes bush

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i think that some people might be against this move, citing 1st ammendment rights.

i think that it is a responsible move by disney.

even if you dislike bush, he is still the president & that position should be respected.


By JIM RUTENBERG

ASHINGTON, May 4 ? The Walt Disney Company is blocking its Miramax division from distributing a new documentary by Michael Moore that harshly criticizes President Bush, executives at both Disney and Miramax said Tuesday.

The film, "Fahrenheit 911," links Mr. Bush and prominent Saudis ? including the family of Osama bin Laden ? and criticizes Mr. Bush's actions before and after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Disney, which bought Miramax more than a decade ago, has a contractual agreement with the Miramax principals, Bob and Harvey Weinstein, allowing it to prevent the company from distributing films under certain circumstances, like an excessive budget or an NC-17 rating.

Executives at Miramax, who became principal investors in Mr. Moore's project last spring, do not believe that this is one of those cases, people involved in the production of the film said. If a compromise is not reached, these people said, the matter could go to mediation, though neither side is said to want to travel that route.

In a statement, Matthew Hiltzik, a spokesman for Miramax, said: "We're discussing the issue with Disney. We're looking at all of our options and look forward to resolving this amicably."

But Disney executives indicated that they would not budge from their position forbidding Miramax to be the distributor of the film in North America. Overseas rights have been sold to a number of companies, executives said.

"We advised both the agent and Miramax in May of 2003 that the film would not be distributed by Miramax," said Zenia Mucha, a company spokeswoman, referring to Mr. Moore's agent. "That decision stands."

Disney came under heavy criticism from conservatives last May after the disclosure that Miramax had agreed to finance the film when Icon Productions, Mel Gibson's company, backed out.

Mr. Moore's agent, Ari Emanuel, said Michael D. Eisner, Disney's chief executive, asked him last spring to pull out of the deal with Miramax. Mr. Emanuel said Mr. Eisner expressed particular concern that it would endanger tax breaks Disney receives for its theme park, hotels and other ventures in Florida, where Mr. Bush's brother, Jeb, is governor.

"Michael Eisner asked me not to sell this movie to Harvey Weinstein; that doesn't mean I listened to him," Mr. Emanuel said. "He definitely indicated there were tax incentives he was getting for the Disney corporation and that's why he didn't want me to sell it to Miramax. He didn't want a Disney company involved."

Disney executives deny that accusation, though they said their displeasure over the deal was made clear to Miramax and Mr. Emanuel.

A senior Disney executive elaborated that the company had the right to quash Miramax's distribution of films if it deemed their distribution to be against the interests of the company. The executive said Mr. Moore's film is deemed to be against Disney's interests not because of the company's business dealings with the government but because Disney caters to families of all political stripes and believes Mr. Moore's film, which does not have a release date, could alienate many.

"It's not in the interest of any major corporation to be dragged into a highly charged partisan political battle," this executive said.

Miramax is free to seek another distributor in North America, but such a deal would force it to share profits and be a blow to Harvey Weinstein, a big donor to Democrats.

Mr. Moore, who will present the film at the Cannes film festival this month, criticized Disney's decision in an interview on Tuesday, saying, "At some point the question has to be asked, `Should this be happening in a free and open society where the monied interests essentially call the shots regarding the information that the public is allowed to see?' "

Mr. Moore's films, like "Roger and Me" and "Bowling for Columbine," are often a political lightning rod, as Mr. Moore sets out to skewer what he says are the misguided priorities of conservatives and big business. They have also often performed well at the box office. His most recent movie, "Bowling for Columbine," took in about $22 million in North America for United Artists. His books, like "Stupid White Men," a jeremiad against the Bush administration that has sold more than a million copies, have also been lucrative.

Mr. Moore does not disagree that "Fahrenheit 911" is highly charged, but he took issue with the description of it as partisan. "If this is partisan in any way it is partisan on the side of the poor and working people in this country who provide fodder for this war machine," he said.

Mr. Moore said the film describes financial connections between the Bush family and its associates and prominent Saudi Arabian families that go back three decades. He said it closely explores the government's role in the evacuation of relatives of Mr. bin Laden from the United States immediately after the 2001 attacks. The film includes comments from American soldiers on the ground in Iraq expressing disillusionment with the war, he said.

Mr. Moore once planned to produce the film with Mr. Gibson's company, but "the project wasn't right for Icon," said Alan Nierob, an Icon spokesman, adding that the decision had nothing to do with politics.

Miramax stepped in immediately. The company had distributed Mr. Moore's 1997 film, "The Big One." In return for providing most of the new film's $6 million budget, Miramax was positioned to distribute it.

While Disney's objections were made clear early on, one executive said the Miramax leadership hoped it would be able to prevail upon Disney to sign off on distribution, which would ideally happen this summer, before the election and when political interest is high.
 
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so AR182 anything that might not be good for the president should be banned. Is that for the best. I guess people should not be able to see the film and judge for themselves........

This is great news for Moore, you cannot dream to get this much publicity for the film. In the end it will get distributed in the US and around the world this move just helps to get it more attention.

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selkirk said:
so AR182 anything that might not be good for the president should be banned. Is that for the best. I guess people should not be able to see the film and judge for themselves........


Just because a company exists in a free and open society doesn't mean that it has any responsibility to market a film that it realizes is full of lies, half-truths and hatred. If Michael Moore wants to exercise his right of free speech he can market and distribute his latest effort on his own.
 

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first of all, michael moore is a bufoon.

he killed wesley clarke's chances for v.p. when he belittled bush right in front of clark & clarke did nothing about it.

american people will not accept nastiness & that is why clark's chances went down the drain.

there is a difference between debating the issues & trying to embarass the president of the u.s.

i was against the republicans going after clinton for lying about an affair for the same reason why i think disney did the right thing with this movie. i think it hurts the country.

the office of the presidency should be above the pettiness, nastiness, & the other shit that goes on with today's politics.

if somebody wants to go after the man who is the president, they should wait until that person is no longer in office.
 

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why would anyone

why would anyone

even bother with this guy?....he wouldn`t know an objective thought if it poked him in the ass.....

it`s akin to rush limbaugh making a movie about liberals....

what`s new?.....

these guys don`t generate thought....all they do is further polarize people...

why anyone puts credence in the opinions of people that have no concept of rational thought is beyond me....
 

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Turfgrass someone will distribute the film because it will make money, it will make even more. In the end disney probably will I mean more pub = more money.

AR182 it is good in any society that a leader every once in a while is questioned. last time I checked no one is god. The president is more than capable of defending himself.

how do you think he became PRESIDENT??

he knows the game of politcs. So no matter what happens never question the president. okay I wonder if Kerry was President it would be okay for him to be protected.

Maybe they can ban a show or film. especially if the president does not agree with it.

BS. the president is in the game of politics. to get their or even have the chance he knows how to play the game very well.

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one more point what you think of the producer means nothing. you enter very dangerous ground when you start banning film, television, radio that you do not agree with.

it is better to have the film distriubted and then you can judge for yourself. Then have an open debate about the merits, or lies of the film. That is why you were born with a brain.

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chill out

chill out

sellkirk......the film will get distributed....we all know that...nobody should be forced to distribute it if they believe it`s not in the best interests of their stockholders...

and everyone has the right to their opinion....but,guys like moore and limbaugh are caricatures of themselves.....

there is very little if any independent thought put into their work....the result is just a constant litany of bias, slant and spin......

uninteresting...uninformative...boring...
 

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Gardenweasel I agree with most of your post. A company does not have to distribute it.

in the end this is probably just a media stunt.

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?the passengers were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men, he claimed, those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes."- Michael Moore

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I think its great disney is finally taking a stand on something.

Oh, by the way

Ron Jeremy pornstar fame was at disneyworld last week getting the red carpet treatment and signing autographs for his fans. Explain that disney.
 

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the office of the presidency should be above the pettiness, nastiness, & the other shit that goes on with today's politics.

I agree. Bush should get rid of his neo-nazi advisor Carl Rove.




Weasel... well stated. Limbaugh and Moore are "nattering nabobs of negativism." Render their rhetoric with a critical mind.


Our empire is facing it's nadir and the best candidates we can come up with is Kerry and Bush?

With the sh*t-storm of conflicts heading our way heaven help us. But it's best not to beseech a Heavenly Host. It's our own f*cking mess!

Pat Tillman's little brother said it best at his memeorial service...

"Pat isn't with God. He's f*cking dead. He wasn't religious. So thank you for your thoughts, but he's f*cking dead."






(I know this post is is a series of non-sequiters... so save your breath)
 

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slim pickins said:
Pat Tillman's little brother said it best at his memeorial service...

"Pat isn't with God. He's f*cking dead. He wasn't religious. So thank you for your thoughts, but he's f*cking dead."

I didn't watch the memorial. Did he really say that?
 

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I'll add my query....did he really say that?

Now that's real....saying what he thought, not what everyone wanted to hear, esp network TV (assuming he did say it)

ozball
 

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Disneys afraid of what Jeb Bush might pull on them in Orlando. So they have to find away out. Then who ever buys it will get it on the market by way of Canada, if nothing else works.
 

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i watched the tillman memorial. i saw his father speak but didn't see anybody else from his family eulogize tillman.
 

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Rich Tillman, younger borther of Pat Tillman,
holds up a glass of beer during a memorial
service for Tillman in San Jose, Calif., Monday,
May 3, 2004. Tillman, a member of the Army's
elite Ranger unit since 2002, died in Afghanistan
April 22 in a firefight near the Pakistan border.

(AP Photo/Gene Lower, Pool)
 
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