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let me speak slowly, the media and it's reporting allows the politicaly correct bleeding hearts to control the public outlook of how we fight and win a war, it should not be but it is.

Can't believe you get on me all the time about my posts, maybe if you were smart enough to read and understand you could reply more intelligently.
 

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ctownguy said:
stevied, the closer we get to the election the meaner and more vindictive you get.

Calm down, everything will be taken care of, your boy kerry the hero and champion of 3 month wars is not going to win, so just relax.

Lucky for most of America, the people and the politics of Massachusetts are confined to that state and Moscow.

Hey kerry the liar might have a shot there and his wife could open a pickle plant there, where they could live happily ever after in the land of elitists:D :eek:
"good riddence to the affirmative action loving pussy. How did this
guy get so much credit for the Gulf War, he was carping even then about how to fight that war." quoted by ctownguy



CTG-is there any end to the ridiculous shit that spills from your mouth?? Your posts are by far some of the most ignorant I have ever seen. What exactly do MA politics & Moscow have in common?? Historically Massachusetts has been known democratic however, current governor Romney is Republican, his predecessor Swift (Republican), her predecessor Cellucci (Republican) his predecessor Weld (republican). If your labeling Massachusetts Democratic, that is quite different than socialist no?? I've never heard democratic as being analogous with Marxist or communist? Are you on to something new??

do you know your history? Without the Boston massacre, Boston tea party, Bunker Hill, Lexington & Concord, there is no United States. It all started here in Massachusetts, so you can take your ignorant opinion of this State & shove it up your ass.

Furthermore then calling Massachusetts Eliteist?? Your signature says "so Cal", what Orange County?? And you call Massachusetts Elite? Are you serious.

As for your last pointedly racist & clueless remark regarding Mr. Powell, I'll let that stand without comment as paramount of your ignorance.



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Oh, so you like Powell, maybe he'll become a democrat.

As for the rest of your bullshit post, you speak like a true mass blue blood liberal, right along with teddy and the other kennedy boys.

Yes, you do have a republican gov, thank god and why are you going all the way back to the beginning of history to make your point, if you were not so wrapped up in hating bush and republicans alike you would have understood I was alluding to present day politics you dumbass.

Don't try a tell me that mass politics hasn't been one of the most liberal states in the country, just look at all the taxes and social programs you have and that big hole in boston that has cost ALL taxpayers a fu**ing fortune.

Get off your high horse you stupid moth**fu**er. I'll be thinking of you in Nov when Bush gets 4 more


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CTG maybe when you come to realize that we are not trying to win a war in Iraq but we are trying to win their hearts and minds then you will understand why we have to fight it the way we are fighting it. It has nothing to do with the Liberal Media. It has to do with Nation Building. If it was only a war there wouldn't be any need to put any of our soldiers in harms way as we can blow those creeps off the face of the earth from a thousand miles away.
 
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ctg-1} in fact yes I do like & respect general Powell

2) although I don't agree politically with many of Ted Kennedy politics, I certainly do respect the service & years the Family gave to this county.
Joe Jr. (killed in action wwII)
JFK (ASSASSINATED PRESIDENT)
RFK) ASSASSINATED SENATOR)

why you don't??

3) FWIW I voted for Bush & Romney, but I've got a brain in my head to make objective decisions regardless of political lines. Truthfully I don't think gw is that bad a guy, however he obviously isn't running the show Cheney Rumsfield are, and they are bad characters with agenda s, which don't include you or I by the way.

4) so blue blooded mass liberal = Moscow??:confused: :shrug: :rolleyes:

5)" Mass politics most liberal in country" quoted by ctownguy, how are liberal & Elitist analogous?? Anyone else confused by the logic here?
 
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does anyone think that the Iraqi's were treated worse than prisoners in our country?

and why is this such a big issue? look what they do to our prisoners!!!!

why isn't that a bigger issue?

i would think mutilation might be a little worse than some stunts that are done routinely on any college campus in America....doesn't make what happened right, but good grief -- the America haters are again out of control
 

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CTG you are beyond answering. Dawgball, I try to listen to all sides. I understand where Rush and just about everyone else is coming from. We live in a country where the real journalists have been replaced by models and people with agendas. So by listening to all sides I try to get a feel for what is really happening. For instance in this abuse case. What strikes me is that they knew about it in January. They claim to be undergoing investigations. While a smoke screen is thrown up on both sides. One side claiming Saddam did worse while the other sides wants Rummy replaced. In truth it doesn't matter what Saddam did and it won't help to replace Rummy. I want to know why it has been 4 months and there are no answers yet.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm..._on_go_pr_wh/bush_bleak_week&cid=544&ncid=716

yep.....look at this AP story....this is so ridiculous how they pin the problems on Bush....yellow journalism at its greatest.....

how about saying that this is "bad for America" instead of coloring it with "bad for Bush" and somehow implying that it is his fault....headlines followed by stories like this are all over the news media and do not even ATTEMPT to come off as being editorials....

that is what makes me sick and tired and why so many people refer to our media as being so liberal
 

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I read that article Dr. and I do not see how you could possibly take it to be a liberal article. These tortures do not look good for America or Bush. Since Bush is the President and the buck has to stop there. Bush has called it a stain on America. Rummy has taken responsibility for it. They both said how disgusted they are with it. You seem to be okay with it. It seems to me that you have a difference of opinion with them not the press.
 

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bullsht when did i say i was ok with it? are you able to read or do you just sit there and insinuate? i said that this goes on in almost all college campus's and also much worse things occur in America's prisons so why is the rucus so much out of control?

that article is an EDITORIAL disguised as news. if you are unable to see that, you are as blind as a bat

telling us how bad the week has been for Bush etc. etc. has nothing to do with factual reporting.....and it insinuates that he is responsible for this.....he may or may not be...obviously the bush haters are going to assume he is just like they assume and speculate all the time, but this journalism is pure garbage
 

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What goes on on American campuses, as compared to these prison camps?


Also, what "much worse things" occur in American prisons?
 

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Dr. Are you saying it was a good week for Bush? I don't even think Bush himself considers it a good week. I do agree with you that most of what passes for journalism these days is trash. I think to compare these tortures to the antics of some sollege kids shows your complete misunderstanding of the whole situation.
 

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I did not like CBS for letting these pitcures out. However I even dislike more the fact out government asked CBS not to do it.
We always seem to have a few beauties. If everyone thinks we didn't give as good as we took in Nam. Well we held our own. You just didn't learn about some. One of ocurse we did was LT Caley and the Melie Massacre. 1968 how many woman and children. I forgot but it was over 100. Anyone think that didn't happen in a smaller way a few more times. War is tough stuff. What I dont like is war being called a police action. Korea and Nam both were called that. Later changed. It's like if you say it's a policing action anything goes. When you have high officials in government saying the geneva articals do not apply. Well your asking for trouble. And we got it. I only hope they take it up the latter as they should. I dont know if Rrummy should go our not. But that buck stops with him. I think he should go becasue of his poor planning more then anything else. Everyone says you cant let him go in the middle of a fight. Why not when the fight is a mess. A change might just improve things.
 

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yyz said:
What goes on on American campuses, as compared to these prison camps?


Also, what "much worse things" occur in American prisons?

ever heard of "fraternities" yyz?

as far as much worse things, people are killed in American prisons but i highly doubt any sodomization takes place:rolleyes:

stuff like this happens....its not good, and its a sorry reflection of our culture, but its being taken way out of proportion....thats what i am saying.....nothign more nothing less
 

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Dr. Are you saying it was a good week for Bush? I don't even think Bush himself considers it a good week. I do agree with you that most of what passes for journalism these days is trash. I think to compare these tortures to the antics of some sollege kids shows your complete misunderstanding of the whole situation.

it doesn't matter what i say...the piece of journalism is editorialized....no objective news piece tells if things are good or bad for someone....thats my point.....nowhere did i say i think it has been a good week for Bush, but instead i illustrated how pathetic the liberal news media is.....blantantly editorializing news articles masqueraded as objective reporting
 

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ever heard of "fraternities" yyz?

as far as much worse things, people are killed in American prisons but i highly doubt any sodomization takes place:rolleyes:

stuff like this happens....its not good, and its a sorry reflection of our culture, but its being taken way out of proportion....thats what i am saying.....nothign more nothing less



You are the biggest "apples to oranges" dork on this board.



Out of proportion? How about holding yourself to a higher standard? How the fuk do you take beating someone to death as "out of proportion"? Raping them? Torturing them?


The cases might be few and far between, but even one case is more than enough.


It fuking frightens me that you have a "higher education".............
 

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Thers is no excuse for what happen in Iraq. Period. Has nothing to do with anyting else. Period. There is no good that will come out of it. Period. Comparing it to other issues is useless. Period.
It's to bad since they new about it 5 months ago it was not delt with quickly.
Was it wrong what has happened to some of the folks that were captured in Iraq. Both US and Other. YES. It pissed all of us off when those contract workers were burn and dragged around.
Problem is we hold our self to higher standards.
We drop to there level. We become no better. Period.
 

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The "reason" that people in other countries hate the US is because we are a free nation, in fact the only nation on earth whose leaders are chosen by the governed. The only one, period. Japan, Israel (which doesn't let arabs vote at all, btw, so is therefore not a democracy,) Canada, Mexico, the whole of Europe... None of these places are free nations. It is against the law in almost every country in the world to badmouth the ruling party or the organizational structure under fear of imprssionment, torture, or death. The only thing they are allwed to complain about is the fact that we, the citizens of the US (thank the Lord above,) can criticize whomever we choose. It blows their minds that we are free, and they hate us for getting up everymorning, going to work, joining the military, taking care of and educating our kids, while at the same time, sending military and financial aid to these self-same countries. If you live in the states, it's inconcieveable to you that these fuzzy foreigners would, instead of making a pact to join individually to promote their own nation self-interesrs, riot to protest America, when their own government is in shambles and the national treasury looted by bankers from France, Switzerland, Aruba, Monaco, England, the World Bank, etc. And why is it inconcieveable? Because we long ago got our shit together, kept it that way, and were then asked by all these bozo nations to "help" (oh man, that's a good one) them git they own shit together. The rest of the world is a fascist state, where your position in life is set at birth and you can't do nothing to move up in the world. Not to mention the basic lack of civil amenities like running water, paved roads, and a jury system.
Now, on the matter of law, no soldier, as far as any of the pictures has so far shown, has committed any sort of crime.
IT IS COMPLETELY LEGAL TO HUMILIATE AND DENGRATE A CAPTURED COMBATANT. THE 4TH GENEVA CONVENTION NARROWLY DEFINES TORTURE AS INJURIOUS OR MAIMING ACTIONS. Period. The liberal media (read, the fascist dictators mouth pieces) will lie as they do every day about the "atrocities" and their meaning. Where is the parallel world-wide gasp, the congruous universal shock, the same cosmopolitan sense of horror and desire to see the perpetrators brought to justice, along with the condemnation and vilification for the brutal and disgustingly cruel and barbarous behavior the Iraqis have shown to CIVILIANS, that we see over nothing, a mere triviality that those swine had coming to them in the first place? Well suhprise-suhprise! It's nowhere to be seen anywhere in the world. Whodathunkit.
 

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Tenzing said:
The "reason" that people in other countries hate the US is because we are a free nation

no, they hate us because of our ties with israel and our miltary bases in saudi.



Now, on the matter of law, no soldier, as far as any of the pictures has so far shown, has committed any sort of crime.
IT IS COMPLETELY LEGAL TO HUMILIATE AND DENGRATE A CAPTURED COMBATANT. THE 4TH GENEVA CONVENTION NARROWLY DEFINES TORTURE AS INJURIOUS OR MAIMING ACTIONS. Period. The liberal media (read, the fascist dictators mouth pieces) will lie as they do every day about the "atrocities" and their meaning. Where is the parallel world-wide gasp, the congruous universal shock, the same cosmopolitan sense of horror and desire to see the perpetrators brought to justice, along with the condemnation and vilification for the brutal and disgustingly cruel and barbarous behavior the Iraqis have shown to CIVILIANS, that we see over nothing, a mere triviality that those swine had coming to them in the first place? Well suhprise-suhprise! It's nowhere to be seen anywhere in the world. Whodathunkit.
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:shrug: does this embarress any other americans out there? hell, im a republican, but this kind of mentality is sad. i would like to think that our citizens would want to protect our image as we try to rebuild a hostile country. you hold us to a higher standard....why should't you hold our military to a higher standard?
 

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Unbelievable. I have no control over how the rest of the world sees us. We already Provide Japan, Egypt, Jordan, Mexico, South Korea, Australia, Malaysia, the Netherlands, etc with billions of dollars in aid or Military assiatnce. We keep these countries safe from their enemies. How many of the countries we current assist are going to tell the US to take their handouts and go stuff 'em where the sun don't shine? Since you can't count that high, I'll give you the answer. None.
If our methodology is so horrid why are we still the number one source of ecomnomic aid to the world??
It's sad sacks like you who should go live overseas and leave America to people that can see the forest even tho the trees are blocking the view.
 

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Tenzing said:
Unbelievable. I have no control over how the rest of the world sees us. We already Provide Japan, Egypt, Jordan, Mexico, South Korea, Australia, Malaysia, the Netherlands, etc with billions of dollars in aid or Military assiatnce. We keep these countries safe from their enemies. How many of the countries we current assist are going to tell the US to take their handouts and go stuff 'em where the sun don't shine? Since you can't count that high, I'll give you the answer. None.
If our methodology is so horrid why are we still the number one source of ecomnomic aid to the world??
It's sad sacks like you who should go live overseas and leave America to people that can see the forest even tho the trees are blocking the view.


lol.....be honest....

how old are you?

follow up question........
do you even comprehend the textbook passages you are paraphrasing from?



sad sacks.........oh the irony
 
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