to all you peaceniks.....

DOGS THAT BARK

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;) The worm has turned.
I made note bout 6 weeks ago when
South Korea's new President Roh Moo-Hyun was sworn in bout him wooing all anti american voters and American youth during all the demonstrations to have us leave,and the minute times got tough and we made any mention of it he back out like a sand crab with but but but.Not only has he said he may send troops to Iraq but suddenly our alliance is NOW his top priority.:D
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from S Korea today


South Korea said its highest priority was maintaining its military alliance with the United States as Washington indicated it could withdraw US troops from the Korean peninsula at a day's notice.

"What takes the highest priority is for the United States to maintain its security commitment on the Korean Peninsula," said South Korea's new Foreign Minister Yoon Young-Kwan, who travels to Washington next week for talks with US counterpart Colin Powell.

A senior US defense official told South Korean correspondents in Washington Tuesday that the United States would withdraw its troops from South Korea at any time if the Seoul government requested a pullout.

"If the Korean government demanded the pullout of the US Forces Korea, the US could withdraw its troops even by tomorrow as it is the will of the Korean people," the official was quoted as saying by Yonhap, the national news agency here.

Currently 37,000 American troops are stationed in South Korea as a deterrent against possible aggression from communist North Korea.

Calls for the withdrawal of US troops accompanied massive demonstrations throughout South Korea last year sparked by the deaths of two schoolgirls in a traffic accident involving a US military vehicle.

South Korea's President Roh Moo-Hyun, a liberal former lawyer who a once called for the withdrawal of US troops, has asked for a revision of the US-South Korean alliance.

Differences between Seoul and Washington on how to handle North Korea's nuclear weapons drive have opened a rift in 50-year-old ties, which North Korea, embroiled in a five-month-long nuclear standoff with the United States, has sought to exploit.

South Korea's Roh has ruled out talks of sanctions or military action against North Korea while Washington, preparing to go to war with Iraq, has said it is keeping all options open, while seeking a peaceful end to the crisis.

"The US administration clearly understands that North Korea and Iraq are different," Yoon said in an interview with MBC TV here, adding that Washington intended to resolve the standoff peacefully.
 

dr. freeze

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i like how you spin things and imply that "right wing war mongers" are behind the war in Iraq

nevertheless you forget easily....

1. Check the congressional record and see who was for the war in Iraq. Are all these people "right wing war mongers"?

2. If they are, after patiently waiting out for 20+ defied resolutions over a 12 year period...all warranted by a cease fire agreement (from which there was no peace treaty signed)....how could one be called a "war monger" for trying to enforce resolutions derived from a cease fire agreement, maintaining some credibility for one's country?

3. WMD probably are not something we want to screw around with. Obviously we now know that nerve gas was alive and well in Iraq and it probably isn't a good idea to let the inevitable happen with terrorist acquisition. Granted that is inevitable anyway, one must wonder if the "war monger" who seeks to delay the inevitable presents more of a national security concern than the peacenik who denies the inevitable.

4. Credibility DOES matter especially in this day and age with the Koreans, Syrians, Lybians, .....ans, etc. Tip toeing around the tulips with these folks and demonstrating weakness, will never and has never throughout any history book -- however revised it may be -- been a good plan for dealing with such regimes.
 

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So Doc you think Iraq has been a real plus for us?
 

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dr. freeze said:
i like how you spin things and imply that "right wing war mongers" are behind the war in Iraq

No I just thought it funny to do a search to find everyones stance on this debacle before it took place. You calling people who turned out to be right Peaceniks is just plain funny. Yet you don't like the term War monger. The vote for war in Iraq succeeded because of two reasons.
1) Congress Like the American people were sold a bullshit bill of goods.
2) Anyone who questioned it had their patriotism questioned and their courage ridiculed.


Pretty good strategery
 

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naw the freedom of the people of Iraq was all secondary....not really a reason we are there.....

some people are unable to comprehend the aforementioned reasons as to why we needed to do what we did and there isn't much anyone can say to give them extra brain power....sure there were legitimate reasons for inaction, but those legitimate resasons are never really discussed but instead stupid talking points like salad's are always told until the public finally believes them

i'm not sure what Congress was "sold" and who sold exactly what which has nothing to do with what i mentioned....as far as the "political thing to do"....that is horse****.....anyone who quickly does the "political thing to do" instead of the right thing to do is not fit for office

regardless of what you believe, any semblence of leadership should anyway require you to back what you believe is right instead of basing your decision on the political trade winds
 

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Getting Bin laden would have been right. Going to Iraq without a clue was wrong. Taliban is gaining more power it will be like we were never there in 6 months.
 

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dr. freeze said:
of course not

other than the revolutionary war, war has never been a plus for us.....



Well, you're not writing this in German, Russian, Japanese, or Chinese...............(yet)
 

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naw the freedom of the people of Iraq was all secondary....not really a reason we are there.....

some people are unable to comprehend the aforementioned reasons as to why we needed to do what we did and there isn't much anyone can say to give them extra brain power....sure there were legitimate reasons for inaction, but those legitimate resasons are never really discussed but instead stupid talking points like salad's are always told until the public finally believes them

Posted by the foot doctor.


Your kidding right?
 

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Russians overran Afghanistan as easily as we did and look what happened there. Amazing how people blindy ignore history or because of amazing arrogance think they will succeed when others failed.
yyz, soon it will be spanish. I've said it before i'll say it again, our Army should be patrolling and keeping our borders secure instead of this folly over yonder.
 
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