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USC might be getting the best WR in football back!!!!! :Yep:

Mike Williams says a 95% chance of him coming back to USC if the NFL supplemental draft doesn't work out.

He also said that his brother is coming to SC as a freshman and would be happy to be there with him. He won't play in Canada or Arena and said Pete Carrol has a plan to pursue reinstatement if there is no supplemental draft. He also mentioned Carroll telling him that if he were reinstated, it would only take something like "48 hours."

I always thought it be a 10% chance of him coming back but now it is becoming more of a reality. Funny thing is USC is already talented/loaded at WR without Williams, and now they might be adding Williams, the most dominant WR in college football. Just not fair. If Williams comes back, that means USC has 3 legitimate Heisman Trophy contenders next year. :eek:

USA Today is reporting some interesting news about Maurice Clarett being barred from entering possible NFL Supplemental Draft. Apparently, a 3 judge panel ruled against Mo today.

The critical section concerning BMW
"NFL officials have said they will keep Williams out of the league along with Clarett if they're legally able to do so because they warned Williams before he entered the draft they would attempt to overturn the decision and would rule Williams ineligible if they were able to reverse the decision. "
 
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Transcript from Mike Williams interview....

PP "Mike, what have you been doing since the draft?"

MW "I've just been working out, literally just slaving like I'm gonna get a phone call any day or they will make a decision any day. Something's going to happen and I'm gonna play football somewhere this year so I'm just getting ready for it."

PP "So you're not taking any time off, just getting ready like your training for a combine or something?"

MW "Not really like that, I'm just keeping in shape so I can run around. You never know what's going to happen because we meet with these NFL guys and they just tell us to be ready. I talked to Bill Parcells a couple days ago and he asked me how much I weighed. I told him 227 and he's like "OK, that's good to go" and he said to make sure I'm in shape. When BP says something you kind of got to follow what he says."

PP "Oh so it's BP now! That's big time NFL. I hear you were hanging out in the Bahamas."

MW "I went down there just to relax, just to vent a little bit. It was a technicality (the court decision) and I still don't think it was a bad decision on my part because some things happened that were out of my control. I made my decision and I think anyone in a similar situation with any kind of sense would have done the same thing."

PP "We talked about what happened but now what's next for Mike Williams?"

MW "Well, the court ruling hasn't come out yet on the Clarett case and the initial tactic of the NFL was to stall it as long as possible. That could be a sign of good news, who knows, but I think if the ruling was in the NFL's favor it would've already come out. That's not my deal to find out, that's what I pay these lawyers for. Whatever happens, whatever comes down, I think there's a strong, strong feeling that if they rule against me that they're going to do whatever they can in their power to get me back to college so I think it will work out either way."

PP "If you had to say right now Mike, what is the possibility percentage-wise of you coming back to SC?"

MW "If the NFL doesn't work out and if the NCAA does reinstate me I would say the possibility of me coming back to SC is probably 95% considering my little brother is about to be a freshman there next year."

PP "Is your brother coming out here to play baseball or just to go to college?"

MW "He's a good baseball player but he doesn't really care if he plays or not, he just wants to go to college and be a kid. I told him to just give it a chance and try out and walk-on and see what happens. If I could go back to college it would be worth taking all the criticism and whatever else came my way just to have a year with my little brother at school."

PP "If you had to put a percentage on what's going to happen with the Supplemental draft, I know that's not something you control, but what do you think the chances are that will happen?"

MW "Right now I really don't know. I would say the chances are 70% that I'll get into the supplemental draft because of some of the legal stuff that's gone on. On one hand we don't want to bully the NFL, we don't want to be the aggressor toward them. I've always told my agent that I don't want to take the negative route towards this, I don't want to be the guy in the papers because I'm being aggressive toward the league. Basically I don't want to take the Clarett route because that was never my intention in the first place. We're just going to do everything in a cordial manner and try to take care of business so when the ruling comes out we can just go from there."

PP "Mike Williams on the show, he's been hiding out four 4 or 5 weeks..."

MW "Man, I've been out there. I was hanging out with the guys in LA a couple weeks ago..."

PP "Nobody hit us up. Talk about your relationship with your old teammates from USC, if you came back what do you think that would be like?"

MW "Naturally there would be some awkwardness because some of the guys haven't been around me. At the same time there are guys who have been there for a few years and have been around me so for the most part it would be well received. For the receiver group those guys are always like "you were supposed to stay and teach us stuff and if you come back you can still do that" so guys like Steve and Whitney want me back. I talked to Leinart and he's like "come on, man, you've got to get back here. Stop acting like a you know what", you know how Leinart is. I talked to Holmes, I talked to a lot of guys. I talk to my old roommate Frostee Rucker, I talk to him a lot and he's real adamant about it. It's good to know that the guys who have been there for a few years would want me back. I've talked to Coach Carroll a few times, I've talked to him this past week, him and Coach Kiffin, I talked to them in great detail. Coach Carroll said it would be a great thing for the alums and fans if it worked out that I came back. Being well received is not one of my main concerns because if I came back I wouldn't be coming back to win a national championship, I wouldn't be coming back to be a university idol, I don't really know how to put it."

PP "That might be kind of tough to avoid. Are you one of the most recognized guys in LA when you hit the streets here?"

MW "No, man, as long as Shaq and Kobe are there I don't have anything to worry about. I don't really have that problem because I don't go out a lot."

PP "Is there a bad taste in your mouth from this experience? Did you feel baited into something?"

MW "What people don't understand is, as far as the legal stuff goes, is that I signed a contract to be a part of the players association. They started licensing and merchandising me, doing trading cards and all that stuff, and then when the NFL went to court they sided with the NFL despite the fact that they legally represent me. We're not going to muscle the NFL because you really can't so we just have to take the best route while at the same time keep everyone abreast of what we're thinking. If it doesn't work out with the NFL I'm pretty sure they would do what they could do about this reinstatement with the NCAA. It was a technicality and I wake up every day thinking the top 25 picks should've already called me to thank me for their draft position, especially the receivers. It's kind of a bad taste in my mouth just because I'm not there but at the same time it's not the first time I've been dealt adversity in my life so I'll just knuckle up and try to find an alternate route."

PP "The worst case scenario is that you don't end up in the NFL or in college. Is it possible that you could end up in the Arena League or the CFL?"

MW "No, that wouldn't be an option. That's not something we've ever talked about. If that was the case I could just train for a couple months and show up at the combine, maybe that could be a good situation. I could show up at the combine, I wouldn't be overweight or slow or anything like that and I could just blow those guys away. My draft position won't change that much because these guys have already evaluated me, they've already seen me."

PP "You mentioned that you met with Coach Carroll and Coach Kiffin. Did you talk about the academic situation in terms of what you would need to do to return to USC?"

MW "We talked about everything. Coach Carroll has done his homework on the situation. The reinstatement process takes a matter of days, literally less than 48 hours, so it's not a weeks long deal. We talked about that process and the route they would take, I don't want to show their hand so I don't want to say the exact route, but it's very, very feasible and it's really just common sense. It really doesn't concern me if we have to take that route because it's not impossible from what I've been told and the homework that he did. They got some good people over there, "some" good people over there, and if that happens I'm sure it will work out."

PP "Lot of SC fans hanging on to that hope that we'll see Mike Williams back next fall. The #1, Mike Williams, joining us on the Petros Papadakis show."
 

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scotty, you said the "best WR in football":nono:

he is the best WR in the pac 10 and mabeye the best in COLLEGE football. I dont think he is better than Randy Moss...

IMO, its bullsh*t if they allow him to come back. Many players in the past this has happened too and they are playing in canada, europe, or the arena leagues...
 

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I thought it was implied I meant college football. No way would I compare Williams to NFL WR's because Williams has not been tested/proven in the NFL. However, Williams by far is/was the most dominant WR in college football.

Here is a quote by Pete Carroll........

"We've been preparing for this outcome for a while," Carroll said. "Mike was aware of this possibility. He'll now look to get reinstated into college by the NCAA. The process is underway, but it will take a while.

"We're counting on the NCAA to understand the uniqueness of this situation and give Mike the opportunity to come back to school."

I think that at this point it is likely that Mike will return to the team this fall.

Ya think Matt Leinert might be kinda stoked? Matt's Heisman stock will skyrocket. The OL would be ecstatic - BMW is a guaranteed first down on third and short, with no more than a three step drop needed. The other WR's will be open a lot more. Running room? Oh, yes. I'd love to see Williams back wearing Cardinal & Gold. :D
 
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Scott, two quick ??s...

A) did mrs williams not hire an agent, if so no player has EVER come back after doing so. If they let him come back it is a travesty to college football as we know it. This will turn into the NBA with high school players declaring for the draft in the future.

B) Did mrs williams go to classes in the spring and is he enrolled this summer? If not, no player, other than an incoming frosh, has ever played in college football in the fall not being enrolled in school the prior summer or semester...

Interested to hear what you offer:confused:
 

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To answer your 2nd question, Williams dropped out of school and did not attend Spring classes and is not enrolled in summer school.

no player, other than an incoming frosh, has ever played in college football in the fall not being enrolled in school the prior summer or semester...

Actually your wrong. USC 2 years ago, had a player, MALAFOU MAKENZIE play. He was a 5th year senior 3 years ago, but during the season during his 5th year he hurt his knee AND his FATHER died in his country. So Malafou left the team, missed the FALL AND SPRING semester to help his family out, and he was allowed a 6th year. The NCAA can if they want too let Mike back.

Remember, the doors to the NFL opened up for Mike, he walked through legally, and then they shut the doors. Now the NFL warned him they were going to try and shut the doors, but is it really fair to Mike? Remember, Mike has NEVER challenged the NFL nor challenged to leave college early. So I am very confident the NCAA will allow him back to USC under his unique circumstances.

To answer your 1st question, Williams did hire an agent, but he plans on giving all the money back. His family has already prepared to pay Williams expenses. Interesting thing is it is not really his family. Williams real mother was a nanny for a rich family, and she could not raise him, so this family took williams in and raised him. Very nice story.

If they let him come back it is a travesty to college football as we know it.

I agree, nobody will be able to stop the USC offense. It will not be fair to have 3 legitimate Heisman Trophy players on your team. QB, WR, and RB!!!! YIKES! All 3 players being coached by Norm Chow, the #1 OC in the nation? NOT FAIR!!!!!

This ruling to let Williams back will be like handing USC the NC TROPHY!!!!
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This ruling to let Williams back will be like handing USC the NC TROPHY!!!!
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If you think one person will make that much of a difference on a football team then you're very foolish, especially a WR.
 

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If you think one person will make that much of a difference on a football team then you're very foolish, especially a WR.

I think you forgot USC was/is the odds on favorite to win the National Championship, and this was without Williams.

SO YES Williams will make that much of a difference. Williams is the most dominant WR in college football. Lets see, USC was prepared to excel at WR this coming season without Williams because USC is deeply talented at WR (because of great recruiting). Now you add Williams (most dominant WR) back to USC, that great talent that was replacing Williams will be be 2nd,3rd, backups and will be open all day long! Nobody in country to this day has covered Mike Williams one on one, so if they are double teaming Williams, these other talented WR's will get open. Makes their job a whole lot easier next year. Now lets talk about 3rd and 4, Leinart can just flip it out to Williams for guaranteed 3-4 yards. 1st down!

What else does USC have on offense? Oh yeah, how about 2 outstanding soph. running backs, with Reggie Bush being a legitimate Heisman contender. The guy can do everything and will become one of the best football players in the country next year. He runs 4.3 and can catch the ball just as good as any WR. What LB can cover Reggie Bush out of the backfield? Any LB's run a 4.3??? :D

Ok, lets see what else USC has on offense. THE TIGHT ENDS ARE BACK. Last years DOMINANT OFFENSE was without their 1st and 2nd string tight ends all year. These 2 tight ends are super talented and are coming back healthy. So defenses are now going to have to stop USC WR's, USC RB's, Reggie Bush pass catching out of backfield, AND the tight ends??? Pretty tough to do.

Oh no, it gets worse, this offense is run by Matt Leinart who will be in his 2nd season at USC. This guy put up Heisman numbers is 1st year starting!!!!! Teams couldn't stop an inexperienced Leinart, but now they have to stop an experienced one?

Does it get worse??? YES!!!!!!!!! All these talented players on offense are being coached by NORM CHOW!!!!! What DC is going to out coach Norm Chow????? Geesh, why kind of dynasty is USC building? Most of these players on offense are Soph. and Juniors, NOT SENIORS!!!!!!!!

USC "could" struggle on the OL because USC is replacing 4 starting OL from last year. VERY TOUGH TO DO! However, the replacements are bigger/stronger/faster than last years OL. Just lacking experience and togetherness. The USC OL coach said he thinks this unit will outperform last years unit. He said if this unit doesn't, he should be fired because they are so talented and he did not do his job. What coach would put pressure on himself like that? In Spring football this OL unit looked fairly good and they were blocking what is knows as one of the best defensive lines in the country!!!! This unit is my huge question mark next year! This unit can cost USC a NC.

Pete Carroll is doing what he said he would do. Make practices/scrimmages harder than playing the games. Having the best offense and defense in the country! The offense is, and the USC defense is soon going to be tops as well. USC last year did not have a dominant defense (but a solid one), but this year is expected to have a dominating defense.

WATCH OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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What else does USC have on offense? Oh yeah, how about 2 outstanding soph. running backs, with Reggie Bush being a legitimate Heisman contender. The guy can do everything and will become one of the best football players in the country next year. He runs 4.3 and can catch the ball just as good as any WR. What LB can cover Reggie Bush out of the backfield? Any LB's run a 4.3??? :D

Ok, lets see what else USC has on offense. THE TIGHT ENDS ARE BACK. Last years DOMINANT OFFENSE was without their 1st and 2nd string tight ends all year. These 2 tight ends are super talented and are coming back healthy. So defenses are now going to have to stop USC WR's, USC RB's, Reggie Bush pass catching out of backfield, AND the tight ends??? Pretty tough to do.

Oh no, it gets worse, this offense is run by Matt Leinart who will be in his 2nd season at USC. This guy put up Heisman numbers is 1st year starting!!!!! Teams couldn't stop an inexperienced Leinart, but now they have to stop an experienced one?

Does it get worse??? YES!!!!!!!!! All these talented players on offense are being coached by NORM CHOW!!!!! What DC is going to out coach Norm Chow????? Geesh, why kind of dynasty is USC building? Most of these players on offense are Soph. and Juniors, NOT SENIORS!!!!!!!!

USC "could" struggle on the OL because USC is replacing 4 starting OL from last year. VERY TOUGH TO DO! However, the replacements are bigger/stronger/faster than last years OL. Just lacking experience and togetherness. The USC OL coach said he thinks this unit will outperform last years unit. He said if this unit doesn't, he should be fired because they are so talented and he did not do his job. What coach would put pressure on himself like that? In Spring football this OL unit looked fairly good and they were blocking what is knows as one of the best defensive lines in the country!!!! This unit is my huge question mark next year! This unit can cost USC a NC.

Pete Carroll is doing what he said he would do. Make practices/scrimmages harder than playing the games. Having the best offense and defense in the country! The offense is, and the USC defense is soon going to be tops as well. USC last year did not have a dominant defense (but a solid one), but this year is expected to have a dominating defense.

WATCH OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thanks for proving me right - one player does not win the National championship by himself.
 

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Of course one player does not win a national championship for a team. USC was the odds on favorite to win the national championship next season without Mike Williams. Now Mike Williams is the most dominant college WR in the country and might be coming back to USC, so how much does that improve USC? How much does it improve USC chances of winning the National Championship if they were expected to win it without him? I said GREATLY! I said might as well hand the trophy to USC. You said "If you think one person will make that much of a difference on a football team then you're very foolish." I disagree with you.
 

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You implied by your statement that if Mike Williams is eligable to play then USC will WIN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.

While I agree that they have a great CHANCE of winning it, with or without him, I think you're very foolish if you really think that a Wide Receiver will change the destiny of a team from "a great chance to win" to "100% chance that they will win the NC Trophy."

Still don't see how one player can make such a difference that a team would be considered champs in the middle of May.
 

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I don't think it is 100% USC will win the championship, but I would be VERY confident that USC will if Williams returns. I know I said hand USC the trophy, but I did not necessarily mean that USC has 100% in winning it. Don't take everything so literally. I been watching sports many years and no way is there EVER a 100% chance. 2 years ago I had a $1000 3-team parlay to win $2000 with USC, Okla St. ML and Miami ML over OSU. I did not hedge (wish I did) and lost. Thought Miami was sure thing to beat OSU.

Still don't see how one player can make such a difference that a team would be considered champs in the middle of May.

I guess you have not seen Mike Williams play. In the last 2 years no team has been able to shut him down. Nobody. Take for example Fitzgerald and how he was stopped last year against the 2 toughest defenses he faced. Well Williams in the last 2 years played much stiffer competition and has yet to be stopped. Also in the last 2 years Williams only been playing 2-3 quarters of football since USC usually won by an average of 3+ TD's.
 

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I guess you have not seen Mike Williams play. In the last 2 years no team has been able to shut him down. Nobody. Take for example Fitzgerald and how he was stopped last year against the 2 toughest defenses he faced. Well Williams in the last 2 years played much stiffer competition and has yet to be stopped. Also in the last 2 years Williams only been playing 2-3 quarters of football since USC usually won by an average of 3+ TD's.

For a WR that is so unstoppable --- I can't seem to understand why he would have been the third player at his own position drafted this year if he was allowed out, and would have been lucky to be a top ten pick. Just like me, I guess all of the NFL scouts never saw him play either :rolleyes:
 

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1st of all, Williams was "only" a soph. last year and the NFL was not prepared for him coming out. He declared real late and NFL scouts were not scouting him to come out. When he did declare, he unlike all the other WR's in the draft, had not been preparing to workout specifically for the NFL combines. Other WR's have been working out for months improving 40 time while Mike had very little time. (Carroll warned Williams of this) Williams is not a speed WR and therefore will not run a high 40 time. Look how impressive BOLDIN was for ARIZONA last year as rookie WR (best rookie WR last year/and player), he was drafted 2nd round. Why? Cuz he ran slow 40 time. So NFL scouts know jack $hit. They too often rely soley on numbers which is wrong.

2nd, we all know the NFL does not necessarily draft the best player at a position, often the NFL drafts on potential or statistics,. Its sad they do not put more weight what you do on the field. Williams does not run fast at all, but he gets open all the time because he gets great seperation.

3rd, Williams was never stopped in a football game. No defense has been been able to shut him down. All other WR's that entered the draft have been shut down before. Lets take Fitzgerald for example. He was the 1st WR taken, and he was shut down twice last year and both games happened to be against the 2 best teams he faced. (that does not impress me) I have watched every single USC football game and Williams never has been shut down. Truly dominating player.

4th, I am talking about COLLEGE FOOTBALL, NOT NFL FOOTBALL. There are many players who were studs in college and bench players in NFL. This argument has nothing to do with Williams draft status, it is about Williams playing AT USC!!! At USC, he is playing college football. In college football he was the most dominant player but will that translate into the NFL? I dunno, but nobody in college football was more dominant. Ryan Leaf was a dominant college QB, but was nothing in the NFL. His failure or draft status in the NFL takes nothing away from his dominance in college football.

Maybe the NFL scouts think NFL DB's can match up with Williams but in college there are no DB's who can guard a 6.5 240 pound WR with Williams talent. NOBODY YET!
 

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Scott, Are you the guy that collects all the jock straps after USC's practices?

I think NFL scouts know the PAC 10 doesn't play defense very well, so big deal what Mike Williams did against the Pac 10. Sure, hes a great player but come on its the Pac 10, a little better than the Mountain West or the Sunbelt Conferences.

There are no sure things in college football. Look at OU last year. I think USC won't make it out of October undefeated.
 

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Mike Williams put up his numbers against every team USC played except one KSU his frosh year where he dropped 6 passes that hit his chest.

There are no sure things in college football. Look at OU last year. I think USC won't make it out of October undefeated.

Difference between USC and OU is USC is coached by Pete Carroll.

Sure, hes a great player but come on its the Pac 10, a little better than the Mountain West or the Sunbelt Conferences.

Weak Pac 10??? :nono:

I was getting tired of hearing all the garbage talk on hear about how weak the Pac 10 is. Too bad all these SEC clowns (and Big 12 guys) have no facts...or a clue about anything. The fact is I looked up how each conference has fared against the other BCS conferences (including Notre Dame) since the BCS started in 1998. The results were as follows:

ACC: 68-61 (.527)
Big Ten: 71-64 (.526)
Pac 10: 56-55 (.505)
SEC: 55-58 (.487)
Big 12: 54-60 (.474)
Big East: 51-61 (.455)
Notre Dame: 33-29 (.532)

I think over 100 games per conference is sufficient sample size too prove my point. It should also be noted the SEC and Big 12 play less games (per team) against strong non-conference opponents....because they wimp out by playing the Louisiana-Monroe's and Florida A&M's of the world.

By the way, here is the Pac 10 vs. each conference:

Pac 10 leads the SEC:6-1
Pac 10 leads the Big Ten: 19-18
Pac 10 leads the Big 12: 17-16
Pac 10 leads the Big East: 6-5
Pac 10 trails the ACC:2-5
Pac 10 trails Notre Dame: 6-10

If your still not convinced and need more hard data proof, I have it for you. :cool:

The Pac-10 is the toughest conference and the winningest conference of the BCS conferences this decade (2000-2003). Since these clowns like to spout out about "Stop living in the past . . ." we aren't anymore, neither is the Pac-10 as a whole. Check out the link below and notice the Pac-10 leads in Total Points and in SCHEDULE POINTS!! :eek:

The cat is out of the bag what the Big-12 and the SEC's of the world were doing with their home schedules and overloading cupcakes at home, thereby "strengthening" the conference via fraud since the BCS only looked at W/L records: that will change this year. Click the link at the bottom: It does the Pac-10 and USC in particular proud!

Period: 2000-2003

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Points

#1 Pacific-10 Conference
940.05

#2 Southeastern Conference
864.10

#3 Big Ten Conference
824.25

#4 Big 12 Conference
805.05

#5 Big East Conference
799.98

#6 Atlantic Coast Conference
623.15

#7 Mountain West Conference
465.93

#8 Division I-A Independent
451.29

#9 Conference USA
417.54

#10 Mid-American Athletic Conference
396.90

College Football Data Warehouse

Because of people like you, I was able to make a boat load of money betting on USC against OOC/bowl opponents the last 2 years. Thanks!
 

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Looks like somebody doesn't like reading the truth about the SEC conference! :yup
 

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Like Blackman said, it's tough to believe Mike Williams is the most dominating player in college football and was going to be selected from 15 to 20 in the draft and the 4th WR chosen.

No matter what you say, the scouts did not have him as a mid 1st rounder "just because he ran one-tenth of a second slower than the other receivers"

The fact of the matter is that Fitzgerald and Roy Williams were both better and both played in FAR more physical conferences and faced much tougher defensive backs.

There is a reason for that. Their stats are often inflated by playing in a pass happy conference with poor secondaries.

It's no different than the Florida wide receivers being poor NFL players. They just don't tranfer to the pro game.

I think it's also funny that you are jocking Reggie Bush because he runs a 4.3 and you say no one can cover a receiver than runs a 4.3.

Of course, you only use 40 times when it benefits a player.

So I guess a 40 time is important for Bush but not Williams?



QUICK OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD NAME ME THE LAST GOOD RECEIVER TO COME OUT OF THE PAC-1O

Pretty tough to do, huh?

Maybe Dennis Northcutt if you consider him a true receiver.

Call me crazy but I see a LOT of similarities between Mike Williams and a certain "can't miss" prospect from the Pac 10 in the 90s.

JJ STOKES, UCLA, 1st RD Draft PICK (#10 overall) by San Francisco. 6'5. 225. Big college numbers. Nothing too special in the Pros

Mike Williams, USC, expected to go between #12 and #20 in the 1st round , 6'5 and 230. Big college numbers, but question marks are out there on him

You can go on for hours and tell me how "this is different and there is no way Williams will fail in the pros" but the bottom line is that the comparison is awfuly similar and Stokes was another PAC 10 WR that didn't do much in the pros.

Also are you aware that Reggie Williams ran almost the exact same 40 time as Mike Williams? Williams wasn't even going to be the first WR in his own conference selected.

Please stop with the ridiculous USC talk. They are a good team and a good program but they could easily lose a few games next year. No doubt It is the best team in the PAC 10 but no team for the ages.
 
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