Gun Ownership versus the Medical Profession

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Gun Ownership versus the Medical Profession

A. The number of physicians in the United States is 700,000
B. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year is 120,000.
C. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (US Dept. of Health & Human Services)

THINK ABOUT THIS:

A. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000 (yes, eighty-million!).
B. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.
C. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188.

Statistically, doctors are about 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS A DOCTOR.

Alert your friends to this threat. We must ban doctors before this gets out of hand.

As a public health measure -- I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear that the shock could cause people to seek medical attention

 

[Bombs]

An absolutely idiotic and brutal comparison. There is no logic whatsoever in this. Comparing physicians to guns is a total joke.

 

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Bombs

Bombs

Lighten up Mr. Anal of the Year...It was meant as a JOKE...

 

[THE KOD]

Comparing physicians to guns is a total joke.

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Bombs

Sorry that jokes are so difficult for you to differentiate.

KOD

 

[Bombs]

For you this may be a joke, but I am in the medical profession, and have to hear almost daily about how "dangerous" doctors can be. Some people just don't understand how hard a job it is.

Sorry for being so touchy. My bad.

 

[SixFive]

I don't think it's so much dogging physicians as it is poking fun at all the flaming anti-gun folks. That's how I take it at least. I checked snopes and this wasn't mentioned, so I assume the figures were accurate when this email originated.

 

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SixFive

SixFive

You hit it right on the head bro...

 

[kosar]

They should have included the number of intentional gun deaths in there while they were at it. I know it's just a joke mocking anybody who advocates any sort of gun control, but bombs is right.


AK 47's on the streets of Chicago don't kill people. People kill people.

Fully automatic machine guns don't kill people. People kill people. The machine guns only kill deer.

 

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kosar

kosar

Ohhhhh my don't take things soooooo freakin' serious...

 

[SixFive]

Fully automatic machine guns don't kill people. People kill people. The machine guns only kill deer.

lol, I don't know anybody who hunts with a machine gun!

 

[Terryray]

Medical mistakes

Medical mistakes

I spoke once to a error reduction specialist who was consulting for Wal-Mart. He and his fellows got the mistakes made, esp in warehouses, down 50% over the years. He said the most error-prone profession in need of his help is medicine.

Evidently hospitals and such make routine errors that Wal-Mart, McDonalds and so on took care of years ago. Like not using handwritten instructions for orders.

This fellow said the only medical profession to use his industry's methods was anethesiology because the head of them was a true believer in this, and surprising humble to using other's expertise to help his own (very rare in top doctors!!).

What the error specialist found was appalling. Simple shit leading to mistakes, like some anethesiology machines you turn up dose by turning knob left, other machines turn right. And many hospitals had both kinds of machines! The error rate has fallen dramatically over the years in this, and only this, medical profession. the other specialties aren't interested, and if you knew doctors, you'd know why!

 

[Mjolnir]

When a person uses a pencil and misspells a word is it the pencils fault or the person writing?
i'm betting if anti gun advocates were in a situation that a gun meant life or death for their family they would sing a different tune.

 

[saint]

Re: Gun Ownership versus the Medical Profession

Gun Ownership versus the Medical Profession

A. The number of physicians in the United States is 700,000
B. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year is 120,000.
C. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (US Dept. of Health & Human Services)

THINK ABOUT THIS:

A. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000 (yes, eighty-million!).
B. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.
C. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188.

Statistically, doctors are about 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS A DOCTOR.

Alert your friends to this threat. We must ban doctors before this gets out of hand.

As a public health measure -- I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear that the shock could cause people to seek medical attention

Just another horrible misrepresentation of data etc. This analogy would be correct if you looked at accidental deaths committed by doctors with 100% healthy people. After all, guns are theoretically 99% in excellent working conditions. Doctors see people who a lot of the time are coding and about to die, are ill to the point of being in horrible condition, and deal with a lot of circumstances in surgery that come up due to patient health.

A more accurate analogy would be to give people guns that malfunctioned 50% of the time, to compensate for the fact that drs treat people with complications, that many times leads to their deaths.

Once again, you seem like an educated person, you can't reasonably believe this correlation is applicable.

 

[saint]

skipped the meat of the thread, didn't read it was a joke. the sad thing is a lot of people would take this as scripture.

 

[kosar]

lol, I don't know anybody who hunts with a machine gun!

Exactly. Probably not many hunters out there with Glocks either.

 

[dr. freeze]

Re: Medical mistakes

Re: Medical mistakes

I spoke once to a error reduction specialist who was consulting for Wal-Mart. He and his fellows got the mistakes made, esp in warehouses, down 50% over the years. He said the most error-prone profession in need of his help is medicine.

Evidently hospitals and such make routine errors that Wal-Mart, McDonalds and so on took care of years ago. Like not using handwritten instructions for orders.

This fellow said the only medical profession to use his industry's methods was anethesiology because the head of them was a true believer in this, and surprising humble to using other's expertise to help his own (very rare in top doctors!!).

What the error specialist found was appalling. Simple shit leading to mistakes, like some anethesiology machines you turn up dose by turning knob left, other machines turn right. And many hospitals had both kinds of machines! The error rate has fallen dramatically over the years in this, and only this, medical profession. the other specialties aren't interested, and if you knew doctors, you'd know why!

if this "error reduction specialist" would tell you that there are no errors, then would he have a job?

i have yet to see any error such as cutting off the wrong leg, turning a knob the wrong way, lethally dosing the wrong meds, etc. etc.... occur in any field of medicine.....so many things are double checked, quadruple checked, etc.....and almost anytime there is an error it is broadcast nationally

but if you are going to count misdiagnoses, etc. as "errors"....in which interpretation is based on communication and subjective decision making, then you are basically likening "medical errors" to missed free throws....

yeah there are mistakes....humans make mistakes..and not every doctor out in the community has time to read 200 journals/month and make enough $$ to support 4 salaries + benefits for his employees and their families......but ridiculous assertions about knobs being turned the wrong way are absurd

 

[dr. freeze]

Exactly. Probably not many hunters out there with Glocks either.

haven't seen or heard of a whole lot of murders or crimes committed with these machine guns myself

 

[SixFive]

kosar, are u for gun control I take it?

Here's my problem with gun control. If we give even an inch, a mile will be taken, and we'll end up with laws like Canada or even worse. Please read a thread from here several months ago about the Australian gun control for an example of what it can do.

 

[kosar]

kosar, are u for gun control I take it?

Here's my problem with gun control. If we give even an inch, a mile will be taken, and we'll end up with laws like Canada or even worse. Please read a thread from here several months ago about the Australian gun control for an example of what it can do.

I dunno, man. I think there should be some degree of gun control. I don't think it has to be all or nothing. Right now, it seems like it's pretty much 'all'. Listening to Charlton Heston and Ted Nugent and the NRA nation try to explain how it's our 'right' to tote a semi-automatic (easily aftermarketed to fully automatic) rifle around, makes me sick. Groups petition to ban silencers and get stomped. WTF possible legitimate reason is there to own a silencer?

Also, while I think it's unrealistic to ban all handguns and/or guns in general, I *can* tell you that the model works in Korea(and I think Japan). There is a severe penalty for a private citizen to own a handgun. As a result, gunshot deaths are virtually unheard of. That's not to say that that policy could ever work here, but I think it speaks just a little bit to the concept of 'less guns, less murders'. It seems like common sense, but i'm sure somebody will roll out a story about how granny shot the guy breaking into her house.

I'll check out the Austrailian thread, if I can find it. I didn't notice it or read it when it was posted, I guess. At least I don't remember it.

 

[kosar]

haven't seen or heard of a whole lot of murders or crimes committed with these machine guns myself

Ok. We've ruled out hunting and you've ruled out murder and crimes. I guess the millions of machine guns on the streets are being used as canes for the elderly. Or maybe as a hat rack. Or maybe they're just busted out for special occasions. Like when the home team wins the championship and everybody shoots up in the air.