a short but fantastic memorial day article....so perfect...

gardenweasel

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"""""""My uncle Edward Rosenfeld, now 90, was a Marine who fought at Iwo Jima. Fortunately for him, he was not in the first or the second wave of Marines to hit the island, because some of those units suffered casualties of up to 75 percent. But he was in the third wave, and he and his comrades had the awful job of attempting to roust the last Japanese soldiers out of their caves and hiding places. "People wondered," Uncle Ed reminisced several years ago, "why we didn't take more Japanese prisoners. At first, we tried to. But one Japanese soldier came out with his hands up and then dropped to the ground so that the guy behind him could open fire. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. We didn't take prisoners after that."

I thought of that story when news broke of a small group of Iraqi soldiers who flew a white flag at our Marines only to fire a rocket-propelled grenade at their vehicle. The Washington Post reports that "as many as nine Marines" were killed. The tactic succeeded in killing Americans--once. It won't happen again. The Iraqis also reportedly have moved soldiers and equipment into civilian neighborhoods in Basra and other cities. To hide behind civilians obviously is criminal and primitive. But here's what baffles me: Don't the Iraqis think it unmanly?



memorial day casts the mind back to Iwo Jima. Could the United States have won World War II if our press reported that war as they are reporting this one? The participation of journalists is fine in principle, and certainly one respects their personal courage in choosing to be on the front lines, but in the age of television their presence tends to exacerbate an already extreme impatience among the chattering class. When war is a TV show, you tend to want a climax within two hours--and when it doesn't come, you start suspecting that there's a problem with the director or the script.

By contrast, the toughness of World War II America is quite stunning 60 years out. Iwo Jima is an island about one-quarter the size of Manhattan, on which 22,000 Japanese defenders were securely dug in. The campaign was described as "throwing human flesh against reinforced concrete." But it was even more horrible and uglier than that--for both sides. To get at the Japanese, who were below ground firing at the unprotected Americans, the Marines poured gasoline into the catacombs. The Marine assault on the island took 36 days. The Japanese knew every inch of the island, and moved through and under it. Even when Marines tried to sleep, they never knew when they might be ambushed.

Seventy thousand Marines eventually were able to secure the island and keep that flag raised over Mount Suribachi. But the victory claimed the lives of 6,800 Americans and wounded more than 19,000. Of the 22,000 Japanese on the island, only 1,083 survived. Adm. Chester W. Nimitz said of that campaign, "Among the Americans who served on Iwo Island, uncommon valor was a common virtue." Twenty-seven Medals of Honor were awarded to Marines and sailors for actions at Iwo Jima. Of the thousands who lie buried there, James Bradley relates in Flags of Our Fathers that someone chiseled the following message on the gate of the cemetery:

When you go home
Tell them for us and say
For your tomorrow
We gave our today.

Intellectuals, pundits, journalists and entertainers have greatly changed in the intervening 60 years. It is a relief to see, however, that our soldiers have not.""""""""""

we forget how tough the japanese were....unbelievable..

our father`s and grandfathers were cut from a special swatch of cloth....they are the reason that we can live and express ourselves freely....think of all we have to be thankful for.... the wonderful things we take for granted...someone had to work for these things...give their blood and sweat...


thank you mona charen....and thank you to the veterans...."thanks" seems so ridiculously insufficient...
 
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When I was stationed in Japan we could take a 'hop' on a Coast Guard flight out to Iwo Jima for the day. I kept putting it off and regret to this day I didn't take advantage of the opportunity. The flight was sporadic, but that is no excuse on my part. Nevertheless I talked w/Japanese@ the base about the Island. The Japanese considered it there last stand before the mainland and fought as such- see the numbers above. Incredible and it would have been much worse invading mainland Japan, i.e., women and children suicide bombers, snipers, etc. I still remember older Japanese telling me about 'takson hone, takson hone' or 'Lots of bones' they had to clean up on the island.

In today's parlance the Japanese Press would have talked about the Barbaric Unbelievers, (sound familiar), invading their homeland and the American press would be showing the American body bags, prisoner abuse photos and whatever else would sell newspapers.

P.S.- to my knowledge to this day Japan will not address their war time atrocities in, public or private, such as the Rape of Nanking, the Bataan Deathmarch, Reparations, (Ask an older Korean's opinion), etc. An interesting note was that in 1972, I believe, Okinawa was given back to mainland Japan from America. It was a little before my time, but I definately remember the Okinawan's did not want to return to Japan's control. Too much to go into, but Japan has some pretty strict/stringent rules & regulations. We treated them better than they ever treated non-Japanese and everyone knew it.

Last but not least gw...God Bless Uncle Ed :hail
 
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Japanese are making some amends..

Japanese are making some amends..

They did return recently those 20,000 noses they cut off Koreans in 1597!.........http://mbhs.bergtraum.k12.ny.us/cybereng/nyt/earmound.htm



For the record, US soldiers who fought in Pacific Theatre, Korean and Vietnam all tell me, with no disagreement ever, that the Korean soldier was the toughest, meanest sonofabitch of them all they had to fight.


Iwo was bad, but Peleliu was worse. One terrifying memoir of a grunt going thru the meatgrinder there, a truly fascinating and gut wrentching read is "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa" by Eugene B.Sledge. It's regarded as perhaps the best book every to be written on the Pacific Theatre.............http://20th-century-history-books.com/0195067142.html
 
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