Is there really a choice?

DOGS THAT BARK

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You can't give in to them without facing escalation of same.
---I would counter with an ulitmatum "if they do kill him" they will hang every prisoner they wanted released-

Saudi Kidnappers Threaten to Kill Hostage

Tuesday, June 15, 2004



CAIRO, Egypt ? American Paul Johnson's kidnappers issued a 72-hour ultimatum threatening to kill the hostage unless Saudi Arabia (search) frees Al Qaeda (search) militants, an Islamic Web site reported Tuesday.

The Web site also aired footage of Johnson blindfolded and sitting in a chair with his profile to the camera, a large tattoo on his left arm. It displayed his Lockheed Martin (search) identification card.

"My name is Paul Marshall Johnson, Jr.," the seated hostage says in the tape. "I am an American. ... I work on Apache helicopters."

Johnson, 49, of Stafford Township, N.J., worked for Lockheed Martin in Saudi Arabia.

He was seized Saturday by a group calling itself Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. The organization is believed to be headed by Al Qaeda's chief in the kingdom, Abdullah-aziz al-Moqrin.

The tape on Tuesday showed a hooded man reading a statement. As he was reading, a subtitle on the screen identified him as al-Moqrin.

His statement was similar to a printed message on the Web site that carried the name of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. It said the group gave Saudi authorities 72 hours to release "mujahadeen" militants or it would kill the hostage.

A U.S. official said the threat should be taken "very seriously" because the posting appears to be credible and militants have used the site before. "It has been a good indicator in the past," the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

Adel al-Jubeir, foreign affairs adviser to the Saudi government, said shortly after the video appeared that the kingdom would consult with the Bush administration about how to proceed, but Riyadh like Washington has a strict no-negotiation policy.

The statement on the Web site says the holy warriors of the Arabian peninsula's Fallujah Brigade has "hit" the engineering team that "oversees the development of the American Apache helicopter that attacks Muslims in Palestine and Afghanistan."

It says: "The Fallujah Brigade has killed the director of this team and kidnapped one of its engineers, Paul Johnson, and if the tyrannical Saudi government wants their American master to be released, then they have to release our holy warriors that are held in Ha'ir, Ruweis and Alisha prisons within 72 hours of this statement's date."

The day Johnson was abducted, Islamic militants shot dead another American, Kenneth Scroggs, from Laconia, N.H., in his garage. Scroggs was the third Westerner killed in a week, after the shooting death of an Irish cameraman for the British Broadcasting Corp. on June 6 and another American who was killed in his garage June 8.

Saudi security forces arrested a militant north of Riyadh on Tuesday as they stepped up their presence in and around the city in a hunt for Johnson's kidnappers.

Also Tuesday, Saudi Arabia's ruling crown prince warned Islamic militants that the kingdom planned shortly to deploy more security forces than they had ever faced before.

"Be assured that the kingdom has enough men whom you haven't seen so far, but within the coming few days you will see them," Crown Prince Abdullah told the militants, whose attacks have increased during the past three months. His remarks were televised.

Westerners in Saudi Arabia are responding to the attacks by moving to high-security compounds or even to Bahrain, and by pushing for the right to armed private guards, according to diplomats and real estate agents.

Western embassies in Riyadh, the Saudi capital, are negotiating with the government for a relaxation of the ban on private security guards carrying firearms, a Western diplomat said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
 

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I agree DTB it is long past due that we start to play hard ball with these creeps.
 

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Why dont we do what Reagan did. Arms for hostages. It worked.
On the other hand maybe folks will listen to some of us that get shot down eveytime we say. Time to deal with the two faced Saudis. There still more money coming from Saudi to terroist groops then anyother place. Why is it allowed to happen.
Americans have been uged to leave. Do folks understand there are over 35000 Americans there. Most are in finacial and of course the oil business. If they all left Saudi would not function to well. Maybe that should happen. We might really get the Saudis attention.
 

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i totally agree with you, dtb.

unfortunately, with the politically correct police watching every move conducted by the prison guards, these prisoners will be treated with "kid gloves".
 

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It would be nice if they set up an anti terrorist org with no country of origin. Comprised of many countries including middle east to deal with these terrorist. There would be no one/country that would be held accountable for actions and they could fight terror on same methods as terrorist use with no one looking over their shoulder.
I remember long ago I read and posted that the Mossad wanted to curtail suicide bombers by holding there immediate family responsible as family and religion are only things they hold sacred--however U.S. thought it too barbaric and went along with a less violent approach of destruction of family homes--I have to believe their initial take would be MUCH more effective despite the inhumanity of it. Some how---some way we have to level the playing field.
How else do you deal with an element that thinks humiliation of prisoners is a mortal crime but burning,cutting throats ect is par for the course.
If we do have the guts for fear of public and media reaction--turn the Mossad loose on them--they will get their attention.:mad:
 
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