Chanman said:
All I'm saying is that WE got upset, and rightly so, @ Hellah10's accusations against our Govt. But ppl like Moore believe, or panders to those that do, that Bush lied to the American ppl and started a war over oil and/or revenge for his father- (Saddam's Assasination attempt). Hmmm, Seems racial dontcha think?
Even you supported the military action in Afghanistan. What sorta Chicken Hawk is that? Remember when we defeated saddam the first time... and then years later everyone was up in arms as to why we didn't take him out at that time. Easy to criticize after the fact.
I'll watch F 9/11 when its on cable, but I don't want to spend $ on it anymore than you would watch this- (Moore hates America)
In the meantime I think its interesting that reviews such as this one come out:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5335853/site/newsweek/site/newsweek/
Lets see a few months ago the public was dumbed down, REAL TV watching morons who followed NASCAR & drank beer, etc., etc. (I think this desciption comes close). Now they are enlightened masses ready to take back the WhiteHouse.
Well its only gonna get worse and if Kerry/Billiary win- more power to them & you. Guess we'll be the ones kicking off and you'll be receiving. :thumb:
I don't think Hellahs comments bear any resemblance to the notion that, for whatever reasons, this admin led us into an unjust, unwise war at the exact same time that every last bit of our money and our men were needed to go after Al-queda.
Please explain how it's a racial thing. Hellah, who happens to be arab, blamed our government and Israel for being directly involved in 9/11.
Moore, who is white, thinks there were other motives besides those given publically to invade Iraq. There is some reason that people agree with that, apparently, as about half the country agrees with him. There's a pretty big difference between the two ways of thinking. I can't really see the racial connection.
Of course I supported attacking Afghanistan. I don't really get your point on that one.
We didn't take Saddam out at that time because Dubyas dad had a lot more sense than this admin. Even with a million+ troops over there and a broad, ACTUAL coalition, Bush 1 recognized that this would not be best for our country. He predicited very accurately the pitfalls of occupying that country. I posted his quote a few months ago. You might remember it.
Sure, i'll watch 'Moore Hates America.' Is that going to be in theaters, or if not, how do you get ahold of it? Hopefully it will address some of Moores more cogent points. While they aren't all valid, many of them have been on a lot of peoples minds for a long time. It's not so much that Moore lays out any, or many, new thoughts, but he's basically just made a vehicle to display, and try to thread together, what a lot of people were already thinking.
I'm not trying to get anybody to post 'on my terms', but I am curious if any of the people who have been bashing the film, or have been bashing Moore, have actually seen it. So far, that's a 'no'.
That review you linked is long, and I only skimmed it. But obviously those reviewers didn't agree with the movie. I could post 100 that agree with it, at least in part. I could post articles that support much of what Moore suggests. It just doesn't matter, though.
You mentioned that you like to go with information at hand, yet the only information in *your* hand seems to always be slanted in one direction. What you may call information, I might call propaganda, and vice versa. But please don't pull the old 'Can't teach old Dogs That Barks new' trick in talking about needing 'facts' and then attempting to buttress them with some sort of slanted article from God knows where.
Where you guys prefer cutting and pasting articles and you seemingly aren't really that interested in interpreting those 'facts', I would prefer to see the views of Chanman, or even Dr. Freeze, rather than George Will. Or better yet, a discussion of a piece by Will, or whoever. But it seems that a lot of people are content to throw up an article and then go back in their hole(Turfgrass comes to mind, but there are plenty), as if that's the last word.
I have no idea what that bit about Nascar and all that is all about.
You mention 'more power to you' if Hillary runs with Kerry. I'm pretty sure that just today I said i'd be very scared if she becomes Pres or VP.
