Freeze, you're originally from South Dakota, aren't you?

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Kevin Woster: Gay bashers lost in hate
By Kevin Woster, Journal Staff Writer

Two things stuck in my head after last week's visit by the gay-hating pickets from Topeka, Kan.: the 4-year-old and the Yankees cap.

Actually, Josiah isn't a 4-year-old any longer. He turned 5 on Friday. But only a few days before that birthday, Josiah stood in the sun in front of Rapid City churches, wearing a shirt proclaiming that "God Hates Fags" and holding a sign that read "Thank God for Sept. 11."

Pretty nasty stuff for a sweet-faced little boy with reddish bangs and a pre-schooler's attention span. But he came by it naturally. His grandfather is the Rev. Fred Phelps, a pastor and blunt-edged preacher from Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, a man noted for his "picket ministry."

Actually, it's a ministry of hate. I think Phelps would admit that, probably with pride. He hates gays. He hates anyone who doesn't hate gays. He hates any town or state or country that doesn't hate gays.

So, he hates most of us, whether we are gay or just "gay enablers." And he believes - or at least professes to believe - that God hates all of us, as well.

That's a lot of hate, and some of it came to Rapid City last week in the signs and words of eight of Phelps' faithful followers, including his daughter, Rachel Hockenbarger, and her two sons, 7-year-old Stephen and 4-year-old Josiah.

They came, in part, to show their hate for city Alderman Tom Murphy, who plans to have a sex-change operation. And they came to show their hate for Rapid City, because the community hasn't cast the alderman out as an "abomination" but has instead displayed tolerance and even compassion.

Murphy faced his accusers at picket spots across town, and they responded hatefully -- except, of course, for the boys. Oh, they lugged their signs around, dutifully and without any apparent enthusiasm. But it was clear that they were more interested in Murphy's Siberian husky-great Pyrenees dog than in his sexuality.

The boys wore faces of tired resignation, clearly unsure of what they were doing and also aware that most passers-by didn't like it, or them.

That was especially true of Josiah, who turned 5 on Friday, hopefully to a traditional cake and joyful celebration free of the anger and condemnation and, especially, hatred of the previous weekend.

I hope the kid got to be a kid for the day - maybe to do some fishing, toss a baseball around, play a little soccer. He looked very much like he'd rather be doing any of that last week.

Steve Drain, however, was clearly right where he wanted to be as he marched back and forth in front of five Rapid City churches, flashing a sign that read "Fag Gospel" and walking on the U.S. flag he gripped in his hand.

Drain - a contract television producer who says he does the "picket ministry" on his own time and dime - is clearly a man on a mission. That mission is to hate gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders and anyone else he considers to be "an abomination" in the eyes of God.

That includes me, I guess, because I'm a member of the "fag media" and because I'm ignorant enough on spirituality overall and the Bible in particular to presume that God is more interested in our hearts than in our genitals.

Drain dismisses such thinking as the wishy-washy mumblings of a "fag enabler." He knows God hates fags, God hates fag enablers and God hates the fag-loving United States so much that he blew up the space shuttle and brought the Sept. 11, 2001, acts of terror.

It all made me wonder if there was anything Drain didn't hate. That's when I noticed the cap.

All the while Drain was stomping on the flag, glaring at residents of the "sodomite whorehouse" of Rapid City and professing his hate for most citizens of this country, he was wearing a New York Yankees cap.

Say what? A baseball lover among the Phelps faithful? And a Yankees fan to boot?

It's true. When I asked about the cap, Drain admitted that he has been a Yankees fan since he was a kid. And for just an instant, his voice and demeanor changed.

I think, in fact, that he might have smiled. I know I did. And in a different situation, we might have chatted over a soda about Mick the Stick and Yogi, Thurmon Munson and Reggie Jackson, Derek Jeter and whether the Alex Rodriguez trade was really good for the future of the pinstripe gang.

We didn't, of course. But still, the cap raised some obvious follow-up questions: How could he hate America and love baseball? How could he call Rapid City a "sodomite whorehouse" and cheer for a team from New York City - a community with, uh, somewhat more expansive views on personal behavior?

Was he aware that some of the Yankees were switch hitters? Had he not noticed how often the guys pat each other on the fanny?

Is it really possible to hate Tom Murphy and like George Steinbrenner?

Finally, I asked him: Isn't the Yankees cap a contradiction to your message of hate? Drain shrugged as he walked away and said something like: "If you started thinking like that, you wouldn't be able to do anything."

Yeah, that's the trouble with hate. Once you start, it's tough to know where to stop.
 

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Let's play the game my good friend DogsThat Bark likes to play.

Who do you figure *these* characters are gonna vote for?
 

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good grief are you obsessed with me? or are you just bent on trying to ridicule, harass, and assassinate my character? i know that is all you liberals can do these days, is try to stab as many countrymen in the back who actually love their country, support their military and their objective, but please...it is nauseating

these people are blasphemers and if you are really curious check out what God says about blasphemy......
 

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When people from out there disapprove of you, you know you're pretty extreme. The west river area of South Dakota isn't exactly the most open-minded and accepting part of the country. I have to chuckle at this fruitloop calling Rapid a "sodomite whorehouse". I could describe Rapid in many ways, but I'm pretty sure that's not one that would come to mind.

Freeze, when you say "these people are blasphemers", please tell me you are referring to Phelps and his crew. I think you are, but just wanted to make sure.
 

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blasphemy is ascribing traits to God which are not His......

God loves all people....saying anything contradictory would be blasphemy.....not only are Phelps and his crew blasphemous, but they are hateful, prideful, deceitful, and many other things....which all give Christians a bad name.....

as far as Dr. Freeze is concerned, Mr. Phelps should be hung for taking on the authority to make such a proclaimation

of course that is what i am saying
 

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Eddie Haskell said:
Evildoers!!!

Ed
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If a 911 even happened in cincinatti near Eddies offices he would sing a new
song of six pence.

Eddie would want to fight and support his President in Iraq

maybe he would even be willing to shoulder the .50 caliber and blow a rpg carrying
terrorist to smitherins and be able to laugh about it !
 
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Funny, if I remember my New Testament, Jesus got really angry in the presence of money handlers. It's been awhile. Perhaps I need to get a T-Shirt saying "God Hates Bankers" and pace up and down in front of Citibank. Then again, i'm not a Christian. Oh well, hell here I come. Oh Great Mr. Freeze, in your so-called support of your troops do you favor or are you against a cut in the Veterans Budget? I am in favor of a increase. :142slap:
 

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crimson said:
scott in atlanta
what did 9/11 have to do with iraq?

Oh no, just forget that, Crimson. No matter how many times they are called on it, tons of people here still slip that in there to support some sort of point they are making. That's what they were taught by our government and they refuse to believe that Iraq actually had as much to do with 9/11 as Britain.
 

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i just thought he may have messed up in typing. iraq is a political diversion.
 

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kosar said:
yeah, Scotty has a little problem with his 'typing' quite often.
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crimson said:
scott in atlanta
what did 9/11 have to do with iraq?
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What you and kosar and the bunch that hate Bush so much dont understand or remember.

Saddam is a dispicable despot who refused to cooperate with US on WMD. Why
did he lie ? Syria has them now ? who knows.

You cant think that it is too far fetched that a dirty bomb may go off in
Cincinatti from elements made or provided from Iraq that somehow got in the
hands of terrorists ?

Well can you ?

Bush isn't one of my favorite Presidents but I do stand behind my country in time of war.
I don't think Kerry would be any better. I will watch the convention and then decide who
to vote for.

And the fellow in the street with the RPG would have been shot by me post haste so
that I could return home to my family alive.

Kosar you are at least a humanitarian.
 

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Scott-Atlanta said:
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What you and kosar and the bunch that hate Bush so much dont understand or remember.

Saddam is a dispicable despot who refused to cooperate with US on WMD. Why
did he lie ? Syria has them now ? who knows.

You cant think that it is too far fetched that a dirty bomb may go off in
Cincinatti from elements made or provided from Iraq that somehow got in the
hands of terrorists ?

Well can you ?

Bush isn't one of my favorite Presidents but I do stand behind my country in time of war.
I don't think Kerry would be any better. I will watch the convention and then decide who
to vote for.

And the fellow in the street with the RPG would have been shot by me post haste so
that I could return home to my family alive.

Kosar you are at least a humanitarian.


Scotty,

You're shifting gears on us here. What did Iraq have to do with 9/11?
 
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