"He should apologize."

[Eddie Haskell]

65:

The following is a story I found highlighting the good and bad of his military career. However, this story pales in insignificance when compared to Mr. Bush's experience in that bar in Alabama back in 66.

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061603.shtml

Eddie

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Sir Edward per your quote.

"Once again you lowlife piece of crap,You are a fraud and I hope you take it personal because it is the truth. By the way, you are the epitome of a bonafide right wing wacko continous lying and spinning out of control.


And since you have posted lies, spin, and misstatements throughout your tenure at this forum, I am skeptical of your military record."
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

There is little I can do to change your opinion on politics but I can do something about your being skeptical of my military record.
All I need is someone who knows how to post a scanned document or direct me how in a forum.
You will then see ,that I have or should have, enough 1st hand experience to seperate fact from fiction----- to seperate Kerrys projections of his medals to the ones he fails to have records opened ie purple hearts and Silver Star.
You will also see decorations awarded by my superiors (not myself) that make your (self imposed) kerry's look like a boy scout.
and the offer I made you last years still goes--do you remember?

here is reply to how his fellow soilders saw it-saw it-saw it
you'll understand after you read it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1133600/posts

and maybe you ought to read Gen Zumwalt's the one that
presented Kerry's award to him, description of Kerry

 

[loophole]

as i remember the use of the term during the vietnam era, a "draft dodger" was someone who fled to canada or refused to register for the draft in order to illegally avoid induction and service. neither bush nor clinton were draft dodgers, they simply took advantage of legitimate deferments that were available to them.

as i understand it, the main criticism of kerry's war record was that he was able to get those up his chain of command to recommend him for a lot of decorations and citations for which he was minimally qualified. i am the first male of four generations of my family not to make the marine corps a career, so i can tell you that practice is fairly common among officer career types. at least in the marine corps, if you want to make command grade, you have to serve in a combat theatre, and the bar for officers to receive recommendations for decoration is almost always lower than for enlisted. as for his public posturing when he got home, i don't necessarily agree with what he had to say, but the last time i checked a lot of family and friends of mine died for his right to say what the hell he pleased.

eddie,

i live and practice in eastern north carolina, an area replete with military bases and veterans, and i can tell you that kerry is not going to carry their vote. i don't think it is a distortion to represent that kerry is not popular with veterans. i read a lot of your posts, some i agree with and some i do not. i have to tell you that i am highly offended at the level of namecalling that you have brought to this thread. i know sometimes you must feel like custer facing the indians in this forum, but in my mind that is no excuse. i have been acquainted with dtb probably as long as anyone in this forum, and while i don't always agree with everything he has to say either, i have seen nothing posted by him that warrants the level of personal vitriole that you have set forth here. in my opinion, you owe the entire forum, as well as dogs, an apology.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Loophole:

It is not surprising, rather I would expect, current military to be overwhelmingly in favor of Bush and the republicans as they historically have been. I mean where else does there funding come from. Military is always conservative.

I had a personal injury case in Destin (Eglin AFB I think) and local counsel indicated that the jury would be made up of current and/or retired military. Very anti-plaintiff pi. Low jury verdicts etc. Settled for less than it would have here in conservative Cincinnati.

I have tickets to the Reds/Cardinals game and as such I cannot at this time respond to the balance of your post. I will tomorrow and address a new thread to you. It will be my last post here.

Eddie

 

[shamrock]

dogs, with all due respect, and believe me I greatly respect all veterans, can you with a straight face believe you are getting non biased opinions reading and quoting from sources like, THE FREE REPUBLIC.COM A CONSERVATIVE NEWS SOURCE, and other slanted gems like, HANOI JOHN KERRY.COM



HOW is it that both regulars and replacements such as Frederick short & Charles Gibson have nothing but positive opinions of Senator Kerry. Also his CO ELLIOTT speaks well of him as did Admiral ZAMWALT.
but probably even more telling is what other Swift commanders have to say about him.

Michael Bernique, who was revered as one of the gutsiest swift boat commanders, marveled at Kerry's brazen approach to battle. Bernique recalled how Kerry one day "went ashore in an area that I thought might be mined. I said, `Get the blankety-blank out of there.' John just shrugged his shoulders and left. John just was fearless.

"If you are asking, `Was he foolhardy?' -- he survived," Bernique said. "I don't recall anybody saying they didn't want to serve with him. I would not have worried about my back if John was with me."

Roy Hoffmann, who commanded the coastal division in which Kerry served, worried about Kerry, at least at the beginning. He said Kerry and some other skippers initially "had difficulty carrying out direct orders. You know, they were playing the cowboy a little bit. John Kerry was one of them. You don't go out on your own when you are given certain type of patrols, and we were having difficulty with that."

Hoffmann said the problem was corrected and he supported the actions on the day Kerry won the Silver Star. "It took guts, and I admire that," Hoffman said.

It seems to me nobody had a problem with or serving under Lt. Kerry until after he came home and said what he had to say.

Individuals like "the Bandit" on your desired choice of reading without any doubt have a agenda and prove so in their own words. Reading the little snippets after you're link is quiet telling.

Again I respect and Honor your service sir, its a dam shame Mr. Kerry doesn't get the same respect especially by some like "the Bandit" who I'm sure don't measure up.

Best
shamrock

 

[SixFive]

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Shamrock With all due respect could you show me one cut and paste I ever made from either source you mention. I have never seen the Hanoi Kerry site that I can remember.The above was from

http://www.swiftvets.com/Index2.htm

"The Swift Boat Vets for Truth include the entire chain of command above Kerry: Lt. Commander Grant Hibbard, Lt. Commander Elliott, Captain Charles Plumly, Captain Adrian Lonsdale USCG (retired) and Rear Admiral Hoffmann (retired), as well as enlisted men, officers, men who served with Mr. Kerry, men who served in the same group of Swift boats and men intimately familiar with the operations and conduct of Swift boat operations during the war. The group also includes James Zumwalt, Lt. Colonel, U.S.M.C. (retired), representing his father, Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, and brother, Lt. Elmo Zumwalt III, both deceased."

Now let me explain my beef against Kerry. 1st and for most is he used this hero ploy from the start on his campaign. There were lots of questions I had from the start and have dug into most sources I can find.
1st Most that volunteer for Viet Nam do not do it via route of Navy--however that would be easiest way to get the V.N service award--then after 2 weeks in country you apply for purple heart per Newsmax account of Boston Globe article
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/14/103222.shtml

and then after 3rd purple heart he requests to leave after 4 months service there.

So my peave is that what we have here is someone to promote his own agenda from the start but my biggest peeve is he then gets out and calls other vets there baby killers ect.

 

[Chanman]

You didn't have to post that Clint, but I'm glad you did. I remember DTB getting called some pretty vile names over the years and not once coming back in the same vein. Your are a class act Wayne. Only thing that has now changed, is that now everyone else knows it too. Sincere Thanks For Your Service.

In case we find ourselves starting to believe all the anti-American sentiment and negativity about our government and its policies, we should remember Tony Blair's words to his own people.
During a recent interview, Prime Minister Tony Blair of Great Britain was quoted giving the following answer to one of his parliament members as to why he believes so much in America and its President. And does he think they are on the right track?
Blair's reply -- "A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at.....how many want in.......and how many want out."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Thanks Cman Just had knack for being in wrong place at right time.
Despite being on different sides, the N vietnamese were donig what they were told just as we and I may have stated before when you see family pictures of the dead regardless what side they were on you have feelings for their family.While there would be a high probabilty that I could have inflicted injury or death on a person I never looked around to see if that was the case and in my own mind prefer to think that I did not.
Work with LLRP teams and mission was more search and avoid contact with such small # of people.

 

[Master Capper]

Where is Bush's military records?

 

[Chanman]

"The Secret Service has announced it is doubling its protection for
John Kerry. You can understand why - with two positions on every issue,
he has twice as many people mad at him." - Jay Leno

"We make jokes about it but the truth is this presidential
election really offers us a choice of two well-informed opposing
positions on every issue. OK, they both belong to John Kerry,
but they're still there." - Jay Leno

"John Kerry will undergo surgery to repair his right shoulder.
He originally hurt it when he suddenly switched positions on Iraq."

"President Bush listed his income as $822,000. You know what John
Kerry calls someone who earns $822,000? Not even worth dating." - Jay Leno

"Well the good news for Democrats, now over half the country
can identify a picture of John Kerry. The bad news, the majority still
thinks he's the dad from 'The Munsters."' - Jay Leno

"John Kerry accused President Bush of catering to the rich. You know,
as opposed to John Kerry who just marries them." - Jay Leno

"They say John Kerry is the first Democratic presidential candidate in
history to raise $50 million in a three-month period. Actually,
that's nothing. He once raised $500 million with two words: 'I do.'" -
Jay Leno

"Today, John Kerry announced a fool-proof plan to wipe out the
$500B deficit. John Kerry has a plan, he's going to put it on his
wife's Gold Card." - Craig Kilborn


"Every political journalist is picking John Edwards as the number one pick to be John Kerry's vice president. Can you imagine the debate between Dick Cheney and a trial lawyer like Edwards? One guy has spent his career in an ambulance, the other guys has spend his career chasing it." ?€”Jay Leno

"John Edwards based his campaign on the fact that there are two Americas, one for the wealthy and one for everyone else. And after his speech, he thanked everyone else and went back to the America for the wealthy." ?€”Jay Leno

"On the campaign trail today, John Edwards continued to talk about there being two Americas. Unfortunately, neither voted for him." ?€”Conan O'Brien

"John Edwards is a seasoned trial lawyer. You think a lawyer would make a good president? You know I look at it this way, if we're going to consistently have liars in the White House, why not get a professional?" ?€”Jay Leno

"John Edwards said earlier today that after Wisconsin's primary, he will have achieved the goal of a two-man race. The bad news for Edwards is that the two men are John Kerry and George Bush." ?€”Jay Leno

"In South Carolina, Senator John Edwards won handily, fulfilling his promise to win every state he was born in." ?€”Jon Stewart

"John Edwards is an interesting character; doesn't he look like the guy from the TV commercials that finally asks his doctor if Viagra is good for him?" ?€”Jay Leno

"The big surprise ?€” John Edwards came in second. He was very eloquent; he said we have two America's ?€” one for the rich and one for the poor. Today President Bush said, 'Why don't you become president of the crappy one.'" ?€”Jay Leno

"Presidential candidate John Edwards keeps saying that there are two Americas. Unfortunately, they're both voting for John Kerry." ?€”Jay Leno

"Insiders say Edwards is making adjustments in his presidential aspirations, having lost primaries in two Southern states. Edwards now spends hours a day watching video tape of Dan Quayle and Al Gore, practicing his golf swing and constantly complimenting Senator Kerry on his choice of neckties." ?€”Dennis Miller

"John Edwards won his home state of South Carolina. He said last night again there are really two Americas and he wants to create just one America. And the Republicans said that's fine with us as long as there is still a first class section." ?€”Jay Leno

"John Edwards on the show tonight. He's also running for president. I guess this is a tradition in his family; I'm going to ask him about this. On their first anniversary, he and his wife went to Wendy's because they were in the middle of a move. And now they do it every year. Forget his two America's speech. This should be his platform. Any guy that can convince his wife to go to Wendy's every year for his anniversary; think what he could convince other world leaders to do." ?€”Jay Leno

"We're learning more and more about Senator John Edwards. He's multi-million dollar personal injury attorney. In fact, that's how he's going to solve the deficit problem. He's going to go up the steps of the Capital, fake an injury, and collect billions." ?€”Jay Leno

"Democratic front-runner Howard Dean being called a hero this week. It seems he was going to a campaign rally in Iowa and one of his campaign volunteers collapsed from a seizure and since he was a doctor he ran over and treated the guy until the ambulance came. He is not the only candidate that helped. Since he was a trial lawyer, John Edwards chased the ambulance all the way to the hospital." ?€”Jay Leno

"John Edwards did very well the other night. Political experts say Edwards did well in Iowa because he emphasizes optimism and kindness. It doesn't always work out though. Today, he tried to kiss a baby and it turned out to be Dennis Kucinich." ?€”Conan O'Brien

"North Carolina Senator John Edwards said he will announce for president on September 16th. This is what I love about this election, if no one listens to you the first 40 times you announced it, just announce it again." ?€”Jay Leno

"Well folks it's started, the presidential race. Democratic Senator John Edwards of North Carolina, who is also a personal injury attorney, has announced he is running for president in 2004. Good slogan too, 'Elect me and there will be one less lawyer.'" ?€”Jay Leno

"John Edwards says that he is interested in hearing problems that gays have. You would too if you had eight hairdressers." ?€”Craig Kilborn

 

[Master Capper]

"Cheney's temper got the best of him last week when he told Vermont Senator Pat Leahy to 'go F yourself' on the Senate floor. Wow that's so out of character. He seems like such a peach. ... Afterwards President Bush would not comment on Cheney's outburst adding, 'You think I want that psycho coming after me.' ... Dick Cheney does have a history of swearing, but usually he's clutching his chest and falling down." ?Craig Kilborn

"This was nice, President Bush wished the Iraqis God's grace on their road to democracy. And then Vice President Cheney told them to go F-themselves." ?Craig Kilborn

"Dick Cheney has announced that he has agreed to be Bush's running mate in 2004. Cheney says wants four more years as vice president, but I get the feeling Cheney wants four more years at anything. He said the only thing that could keep him from running is another double bacon cheeseburger." ?Jay Leno

"Dick Cheney agreed to be President Bush's running mate once again in 2004. He made the announcement while riding in Ambulance One. In fact, he's got a new campaign slogan: No chest pain, no gain. ... He said he wanted four more years but his doctor is only giving him two." ?Jay Leno

"Dick Cheney said he was running again. He said his health was fine, 'I've got a doctor with me 24 hours a day.' Yeah, that's always the sign of a man in good health, isn't it?" ?David Letterman

"Big news coming out of Washington, Dick Cheney will be running again for vice president. He says he is very healthy and that he has a doctor watching him 24 hours a day. This is a big improvement, it used to be a coroner." ?David Letterman

"As Cheney told CNN, he has been 100 percent heart attack free since ascending to the vice presidency. He added, 'In fact, rather than giving me stress, being vice president has actually fueled my blackened soul, allowing me to gorge vampire-like on the bloody nectar of unlimited power.' I'm sorry that should have read 'I never felt better.'" ?Jon Stewart, on Dick Cheney's insistence that he is the picture of health

"It looks like they don't like us on TV, but you have to watch some of the other stories. I saw a story on an Iraqi/Kurd family who had so much appreciation for what we did in 1991 that they named their kid Dick Cheney. I'm not kidding. They have a little 11-year-old boy named Dick Cheney who is smart, brave, and gets along very well with his retarded brother Dan Quayle." ?Bill Maher

"No one knows if Saddam is still alive. They keep showing old footage of him on TV saying that it's live. You know, it's like the same thing we do with Dick Cheney." ?David Letterman

"The U.S. army confirmed that it gave a lucrative fire fighting contract in Iraq to the firm once run by the Vice President Dick Cheney without any competitive bidding. When asked if this could be conceived as Cheney's friends profiting from the war, the spokesman said 'Yes.'" ?Conan O'Brien

"Vice President Cheney continues his whirlwind 11-nation middle eastern tour designed to bring America's anti-terror message to the region. That message: Help us fight terror or ...Is that oil?" ?Jon Stewart

"The Security and Exchanges Commission is going to be investigating Vice President Dick Cheney. They'll begin that investigation as soon as Congress finishes investigating the Security and Exchanges Commission." ?David Letterman

"The White House is sending Vice President Dick Cheney to the Middle East this month. You get the feeling that President Bush's opinion of Cheney has changed since the Enron thing broke? You know a few weeks ago, all they would say about Cheney is that he was in a safe, undisclosed location. He's hidden away. As soon as Enron popped up, they sent him to the most dangerous place in the world." ?Jay Leno

"Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge has unveiled a new color-coded system to warn the public about different states of danger. Red is the highest state of alert, and it means that Dick Cheney is about to eat a mozzarella stick." ?Conan O'Brien

"There are certain elements of the Bond lifestyle I have yet to experience, Jay, but I'm hopeful." ?Dick Cheney, joking on the Tonight Show about being described in the New York Times as having a "James Bond-like aura"

"Dick, I hope you?re not doing what it looks like you?re doing." ?President Bush, showing journalists a picture in which Vice President Dick Cheney appears to be urinating on the door of the Oval Office. The photo was part of a collection of never-before-seen pictures Bush screened at the annual White House Correspondents Dinner

"Dick Cheney finally responded today to demands that he reveal the details of the Enron meetings. This is what he said. He met with unnamed people, from unspecified companies, for an indeterminate amount of time at an undisclosed location. Thank God he cleared that up. I'm ready to move on." ?Jay Leno

"Today at the White House the president pardoned the turkey. This is done every year. The turkey will live out the rest of its life at a petting zoo in Virginia. By coincidence that's the same place that Dick Cheney is at." ?Jay Leno

"Vice President Dick Cheney is currently out in South Dakota on a three-day hunting trip. What better place for a man who has had four heart attacks than to be carrying a big gun and a backpack through the snow looking for red meat." ?Jay Leno

"Everybody is talking about finding bin Laden. How about finding Dick Cheney? Where did he go? What have we got caves over here now, too? Where did he go? I think his Secret Service code name is 'Waldo." ?Jay Leno

"Plans are being discussed as to who will replace Dick Cheney if he has to resign for health reasons. It's not easy for President Bush, he can't just name a replacement. He would first have to be confirmed by the oil, gas and power companies" ?Jay Leno

"At his wife's 60th birthday party in Jackson Hole, Wyoming Dick Cheney had a huge steak and battered onion rings for dinner. Afterwards he met with 100 donors, not campaign donors, heart donors." ?Jay Leno

"President Bush spoke briefly to reporters before playing a round of golf in Crawford, Texas earlier today. ... This raises the question: Shouldn't the guy who is really running the country and who has had like 20 heart attacks be taking the vacation?" ?Craig Kilborn

"President Bush is taking the entire month of August off. Bush said today he thinks it is important for a president to spend time away from Washington. Or at least that's what Dick Cheney told him." ?Jay Leno

"According to doctors, George Bush has the lowest heartbeat ever recorded by someone in the White House. Well, second lowest. Dick Cheney got his down to zero a couple of times." ?Jay Leno

"President Bush played golf yesterday and I understand Vice President Dick Cheney also got in a couple of strokes." ?Jay Leno

"Vice President Cheney is also on vacation. He's in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. What better place for a guy who has had 4 heart attacks than a place with thin air, rugged hiking and all-beef dinners? Why don't they get some snow for him to shovel while he's out there, too?" ?Jay Leno

"Plans are being made to replace Dick Cheney if and when it ever becomes necessary. They have to plan for this kind of stuff, you know, Cheney had what, a stent, put in his artery to keep it open, had a defibrillator with batteries implanted in his chest. I think they've already started replacing him, piece by piece." ?Jay Leno

"Here's your tax dollars at work. We are supposed to be conserving energy. The navy is now being asked to pay the electric bill for Vice President Dick Cheney's house in Washington, the Naval Observatory. They are asking us, the taxpayers, to pay the bill. You now how much it is? It is $186,000 a year! How many times are they shocking him back to life? There are two people that live in the house! What, are he and Bush electrocuting guys in the basement now?" ?Jay Leno

"Dick Cheney, I wouldn't give this guy's troubles to a monkey on a rock. He gets his electric bill. He doesn't live in the White House. He lives next door in the junior White House. He gets his electric bill and it is $186,000. I am telling you he should have gotten the solar-powered pacemaker. You would have a big electric bill if you had to use those electric paddles eight times a day. On top of all that Cheney has laryngitis. He can't talk. Of course, that's from yelling all day: 'Quick, my heart pills, quick!'" ?David Letterman

"Republicans want to know why the Navy won't pay for it. Democrats want to know why Cheney won't pay for it. And Californians want to know how come his electric bill is so low?" ?Jay Leno

"Yesterday Vice President Dick Cheney came down with laryngitis so his wife had to deliver a speech for him. After the speech, Cheney's wife had to spend the rest of the day telling President Bush what to do." ?Conan O'Brien


"In an interview with CNN this week, Dick Cheney said he may need more heart surgery. Cheney says his doctors have advised him to cut out all red meat, avoid stress and drop the extra 175 pounds (Bush picture on screen) that have been weighing him down." ?Tina Fey, on Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update"

"Dick Cheney, our vice president, he was on a program the other night talking about his health. And, you know, he's had half a dozen heart attacks and he's always going back in for, you know, tune-up work and that kind of thing. And he said now that he may in the future have to have another procedure. And I was thinking I, you know, I miss the old White House. I miss Clinton. You remember the procedures he was getting?" ?David Letterman

 

[AR182]

dtb,

i agree with what chanman said. you didn't need to post your military record.

and i too have always found you acting with class on this forum, even with you sometimes being personally attacked.

i hope one day that you show up at a superbowl get together so we can down a few & shoot the breeze.


and fwiw, i don't think a person's military record is an indication of the type of president a candidate will be.

 

[djv]

Six Five how did you get anyones personal file with out there approval. DTB you were in Nam 1960?

 

[Chanman]

MC- Sorry I baited you, but I see it worked.

AR- As usual we are on the same wavelength.

djv- What next? Draw you a picture.


Political malpractice

By Thomas Sowell

Now that Sen. John Kerry has named Sen. John Edwards as his vice-presidential running mate, we need to examine the reality behind the images both men have projected.
Mr. Kerry has been busy posing for the media shooting guns, playing hockey, declaring himself as having "conservative" values, and even saying life begins at conception. The point of all this is to counter any attempt to depict him as a limousine liberal, out of touch with the values of mainstream Americans.
It is an insult to our intelligence to act as if posing with guns is as significant as how the senator voted on gun control laws during his 16 years in Congress. It is an insult to our intelligence to claim conservative values when both liberal and nonpartisan groups rate Mr. Kerry's voting record as the most liberal in the Senate, more liberal even than Ted Kennedy's.
What matters is not what Mr. Kerry says during an election year about life beginning at conception. What matters is how he has voted on bills involving abortion ? and how he declared he will block the appointment judges who are not pro-abortion.
The political packaging of Mr. Kerry's personal military record in Vietnam in the 1970s is far less important than how he has repeatedly voted in the Senate since then to cut military spending and to cut spending for the intelligence services.
People who will vote for candidates on the basis of election-year images, rather than bother to find out the facts, perhaps deserve whatever officials they elect. But, when you are electing a president of the United States especially, you are electing someone whose actions will affect generations yet unborn ? who have no vote, but who deserve something better than someone with a well-contrived media image.
Selecting Sen. John Edwards as a vice-presidential running mate was more image-making. Mr. Edwards has had few, if any, achievements during his one term in the U.S. Senate, and savvy political observers question whether he would have been re-elected if he had decided to run again for the Senate. But he brings more image ? a more lively and engaging image ? to spice up Mr. Kerry's dullness with his own more gushing sparkle.
Just as Mr. Kerry's long-ago military tour of duty in Vietnam is exploited politically today, so Mr. Edwards' working-class origins are similarly exploited. But Mr. Edwards has long since grown rich as a lawyer suing for millions of dollars in medical malpractice lawsuits.
Mr. Edwards' specialty was suing when babies were born with brain defects, which he ? like other lawyers cashing in on junk science and gullible juries ? blamed on the failure of doctors to have had those babies delivered by Caesarian section.
Caesarian operations have since increased greatly, but without reducing the birth defects Mr. Edwards and others had blamed on a lack of Caesarian deliveries. Studies validated by leading medical authorities, here and overseas, have found no such link between birth defects and a lack of Caesarian births.
Meanwhile, lawyers like Mr. Edwards could laugh all the way to the bank.
Like so many liberals who talk about "bringing down the cost of health care," Mr. Edwards has been driving up the cost of medical treatment. "Defensive medicine," such as unnecessary Caesarian operations, is not cheap. Defensive medicine protects doctors from slick lawyers far more than it protects patients.
Mr. Edwards has already shown the same blithe disregard for facts as a politician that he showed as a lawyer. He used the old liberal "hunger in America" claim in the primary campaign, though studies show no such thing ? and in fact show obesity to be more common in the lower-income brackets.
"Hunger in America" claims were once big stuff in the media but hard facts have long since shot down this contrived alarm. Mr. Edwards must know "hunger in America" claims are bunk, but he obviously doesn't care.
The big question is whether the voters will care about facts or will be overwhelmed by phony images and political spin.

 

[djv]

Ok Chanman if you have answer draw the pitcure.

 

[Chanman]

Point taken djv. I just meant that Wayne has the credentials to back up his position, something you don't see much on the Internet. I may ? your posts, but never your Time in Service. Funny to me how some think Clinton was a Conscientious Objector, 'W' is a draft dodger and Kerry is a War Hero. I fully expect the Presidential Election to be "won" by now Enlightened, True Americans who have decided to take back the country from the Evil & Corrupt Corporate backed Regime before irreversible damage is done thereby proving Abe Lincolns saying that " You can fool some of the ppl all of the time and all of the ppl some of the time, but you can't fool all of the ppl all of the time." That or it will be lost to the Ignorant & Incompetent John Q Public types too lazy to see how they are being used by the Current Administration giving credence to PT Barnum's famous line "There's a Sucker born every minute."

DTB- As I stated earlier: Sincere Thanks For Your Service.

djv-I thought you would be the last person to ? him. (I believe 1960 refers to the date the medal was initiated.)

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

DJV I scanned my file to him as I don't know how to post scanned image. I was in Nam in 70/71 got out April Fools day 71
Only spent 1 year 6 months and 20 days in active duty in Army.After leaving Cambodia rather than replemish the troops of the 1st Cav they sent them home to Fort Hood. Anyone who had extended and had spent over year in country got an early out.
Would be happy to scan you anything thing you wish including dd214. Just shoot me an email on anything you wish.

 

[djv]

No just was wondering why you sent that to him. If one wants things like that kept to himself.
Chan believe me I understand what ever ribbon or medal means.
DTB thats why I say you should understand more then most here. We try hard not to just give them out. You know what you did to be recommend for yours. Kerry was awarded his for reasons none of us truly know. But again I'm sure he earned them. I'm not use to one GI because of politics taken that away from another.
If were saying they were easy to win. Then we belittle all winners. And I just don't buy it.

 

[Chanman]

No just was wondering why you sent that to him. If one wants things like that kept to himself.

And since you have posted lies, spin, and misstatements throughout your tenure at this forum, I am skeptical of your military record. Put that in the catagory of weapons of mass destruction et al. But don't hop off topic with your record. Personally I couldnt care if you sat next to Abbie Hoffman or were Sgt York. You are still a liar and a fraud.