2004 Sos
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adlock: kurbymansa, try largening the sample past 1 year. I agree the Big 12 did poorly in the bowls in 2003. Would you agree a better sample would be for a few years of each conference's bowl record? Most people in political polling and sampling will tell you the more years you have to measure something on, the more accurate the numbers will be. If you want to rant and rave about the Big 12 going 2-6 in bowls, go right ahead. Go back and check out the Pac 10's bowl record for the past 5, 3, 10, 20 years and compared it to the big 12, sec, and Big 10.
However, am I going to really let you dodge the constant question that dogs the pac 10? Nope. You guys talk about OOC schedule and then now you're talking about the bowl records for one particular year. Do you guys know you have a pac 10 conference schedule? Why dont you guys defend your conference schedule as passionately as you do this OOC SOS garbage and "ohh the big 12 is 2-6 in bowls in 2003 (with two BCS appearances)" -- jeez... if it isn't you guys talking about the PAC 10 OOC schedule, it's the Pac 10 bowl record, or the Big 12's poor bowl record in one particular year.... you guys seem to think the conference schedule doesn't even exist. You are amazing. you guys will spin it some other direction to keep from talking about how weak the pac 10 conference schedule is.
However, am I going to really let you dodge the constant question that dogs the pac 10? Nope. You guys talk about OOC schedule and then now you're talking about the bowl records for one particular year. Do you guys know you have a pac 10 conference schedule? Why dont you guys defend your conference schedule as passionately as you do this OOC SOS garbage and "ohh the big 12 is 2-6 in bowls in 2003 (with two BCS appearances)" -- jeez... if it isn't you guys talking about the PAC 10 OOC schedule, it's the Pac 10 bowl record, or the Big 12's poor bowl record in one particular year.... you guys seem to think the conference schedule doesn't even exist. You are amazing. you guys will spin it some other direction to keep from talking about how weak the pac 10 conference schedule is.
You commented that OU's SOS is what put them past SC. That's why I focused on last yr. To prove that the Big 12's conf schedule was not very strong. Last yr! Now that that feeble point is smashed .. You need to rearrange your thoughts.
Let's put the shoe is on the other foot now! Arent you guilty of the exact same thing here. You talk about how my arguments arent thorough enough for you. Where's your argument? You're not arguing that the Big 12 was stronger! You're not debating the overall strength it showed to lose 2 BCS games! Now you're just arguing against me, & not really for ... anything! Read through my replies again, I never said the Pac 10 was strong, just that the Big 12 wasnt!
How can I tell the strength of the Pac 10 compared to the Big 10 or ACC, by looking at a WSU/Cal game? How did the K St/Col game prove to you that the Big 12 is stronger than the Pac 10? Your question doesnt really make sense because the OOC schedule isnt played separate from the conf schedule -- it's all one season! The early OOC games prepare you for conf play. Conf play prepares you for the bowl season. I assumed you knew that! I wont make that mistake again!
Last 4 yrs BCS bowl games by conf
SEC 4-1
Big East 3-1
Big 10 2-4
Big 12 2-4 (OU 2-2 --4 straight BCS bowls!)
ACC 0-4 (that's right!)
Pac 10 5-1
I chose the BCS bowls cause that's the best against the best. I was surprised by the Big East overall. SEC 4-0 their last 4 games. Pac 10 had 4 diff teams win games -- most of any conf.
OU SOS was strong thats what catapulted them to the BCS championship
...and the Pac-10 has a nice record in the BCS, but no championship to show for it.
...and the Pac-10 has a nice record in the BCS, but no championship to show for it.
Strength of computer! is what misplaced OU in the BCS championship game! You say tomato, I say......
5-1... If that were a 1st rd playoff record, would it change your mind??? Just a little???
I decided a few yrs ago, to pick my own champion! The Best Team in the Country is what I call them. I figure if the BCS can do it, then why cant I. Plus... I bet my money on this shit! So with that in mind,
The Best Team in the Country game since 2000!
2003 USC/Oklahoma
2002 USC/Georgia -- would have been a nice game!
2001 Miami/Florida
2000 Oklahoma/Miami
At the end of each season, I handicapped these games & decided the winner. But, I would change my mind, so often that I just ended up thinking about the two teams that I thought were the best.
i can see your point, but whatever OU did, it got them to the BCS Championship games. You can't take that away. Anybody can come up with their own champion and stuff, but there is only gonna be 1 record book and millions of people are gonna go by that.
mansa, you bring up some good points, but you still dont talk about your own conference strength. It's back to the BCS bowl comparison etc for the past 4 years etc... stength of computers, blah blah
Why can't you defend the Pac 10 conference schedule?
Incidentally, OU is 2-1 in BCS bowls, not 2-2. I guess when the Pac 10 is 5-1 the last few years the only BCS loss must have been Washington State in the Rose Bowl? Okla beat them up 37-14 or something like that, or do your numbers need some fine-tuning in other areas?
Why can't you defend the Pac 10 conference schedule?
Incidentally, OU is 2-1 in BCS bowls, not 2-2. I guess when the Pac 10 is 5-1 the last few years the only BCS loss must have been Washington State in the Rose Bowl? Okla beat them up 37-14 or something like that, or do your numbers need some fine-tuning in other areas?
Sorry, I gave OU somebody elses loss --I guess WSU is the only Pac 10 team since 2000 who couldnt advance to a 2nd rd playoff game. That makes the Big 12 0-3 since 2000 in BCS bowls minus the Sooners. I guess thats why you cling to that title game win. Other than that, 1 win over a girls conf is all you can say for the mighty Big 12.
Avalanche, I think you suffer from Pac 10-o-phobia! Why dont you defend the Big 12 conf schedule? Expose yourself! Tell us what makes the Big 12 so strong? (only when they play the Big 12!) How talented is the Big 12? (only when they play the Big 12!) What's the overall winning% for the Big 12? (only when they play the Big 12!) Is that how I should breakdown the Pac 10? By only looking at what they do against each other? How is that supposed to show me anything about how well the Pac 10 would do v the ACC. Stop waiting for MC or Kdogg or bbk to do your homework for you. Give me an argument to break down!
I need to know exactly what you think makes a conf strong. Otherwise, you'll just keep coming back, asking more questions, but, not offering any answers to mine. All of your replies have not added a single fact that could help anybody handicap a football game. & you refuse to accept that I'm not arguing for the Pac 10, you're continuing some feud you have w Scott. Why do you run from the OOC conf argument like it's a crack whore w AIDS? 4 different Pac 10 teams have BCS bowl wins over the last 4 seasons! What can show conf strength better than that? How does subtracting the OOC games hurt the Pac 10? What makes you think teams who can play & win tough games OOC, cant do the same thing against each other? Like I said, it's all one season!
Everyone reading these posts can compare our logic & use of information. If they think like you, fine. If they think the Pac 10 is weak, fine. I'll still play my money based on my opinions, & you will keep doing the same I hope.
Avalanche, I think you suffer from Pac 10-o-phobia! Why dont you defend the Big 12 conf schedule? Expose yourself! Tell us what makes the Big 12 so strong? (only when they play the Big 12!) How talented is the Big 12? (only when they play the Big 12!) What's the overall winning% for the Big 12? (only when they play the Big 12!) Is that how I should breakdown the Pac 10? By only looking at what they do against each other? How is that supposed to show me anything about how well the Pac 10 would do v the ACC. Stop waiting for MC or Kdogg or bbk to do your homework for you. Give me an argument to break down!
I need to know exactly what you think makes a conf strong. Otherwise, you'll just keep coming back, asking more questions, but, not offering any answers to mine. All of your replies have not added a single fact that could help anybody handicap a football game. & you refuse to accept that I'm not arguing for the Pac 10, you're continuing some feud you have w Scott. Why do you run from the OOC conf argument like it's a crack whore w AIDS? 4 different Pac 10 teams have BCS bowl wins over the last 4 seasons! What can show conf strength better than that? How does subtracting the OOC games hurt the Pac 10? What makes you think teams who can play & win tough games OOC, cant do the same thing against each other? Like I said, it's all one season!
Everyone reading these posts can compare our logic & use of information. If they think like you, fine. If they think the Pac 10 is weak, fine. I'll still play my money based on my opinions, & you will keep doing the same I hope.
As long as Tubber moron is coaching Auburn, I'd have to give Cal the slight edge in a head to head matchup. Tedford imo is lights out a better coach then Tubber moron.
I will never understand how anyone in their right mind could have ever pick Auburn that high with that fool coaching them. I remember when I saw the opening line of that USC-Auburn game, I laughed & took USC at PK & didn't even bother with the points USC got with everyone & their mother touting Auburn
I will never understand how anyone in their right mind could have ever pick Auburn that high with that fool coaching them. I remember when I saw the opening line of that USC-Auburn game, I laughed & took USC at PK & didn't even bother with the points USC got with everyone & their mother touting Auburn
