Just a small BS film full of lies

kosar

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Except nobody has been able to cite one.


'Fahrenheit 9/11' Making GOP Nervous
By MIKE GLOVER

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) - Republicans initially dismissed ``Fahrenheit 9/11'' as a cinematic screed that would play mostly to inveterate Bush bashers. Four weeks and $94 million later, the film is still pulling in moviegoers at 2,000 theaters around the country, making Republicans nervous as it settles into the American mainstream.

``I'm not sure if it moves voters,'' GOP consultant Scott Reed said, ``but if it moves 3 or 4 percent it's been a success.''

Two senior Republicans closely tied to the White House said the movie from director Michael Moore is seen as a political headache because it has reached beyond the Democratic base. Independents and GOP-leaning voters are likely to be found sitting beside those set to revel in its depiction of a clueless president with questionable ties to the oil industry.

``If you are a naive, uncommitted voter and wander into a theater, you aren't going to come away with a good impression of the president,'' Republican operative Joe Gaylord said. ``It's a problem only if a lot of people see it.''


Based on a record-breaking gross of $94 million through last weekend, theaters already have sold an estimated 12 million tickets to ``Fahrenheit 9/11.'' A Gallup survey conducted July 8-11 said 8 percent of American adults had seen the film at that time, but that 18 percent still planned to see it at a theater and another 30 percent plan to see it on video.


More than a third of Republicans and nearly two-thirds of independents told Gallup they had seen or expected to see the film at theaters or on video.


``Fahrenheit 9/11'' opened in June mainly in locally owned arts theaters that specialize in obscure films and tiny audiences. Drawn in part by the buzz surrounding the film, people packed the theaters and formed long lines for tickets. Within a week, it was appearing in chain-owned theaters along with ``Spider-Man 2,'' ``The Notebook'' and other big summer attractions.


When he sat down to watch the film at the Varsity Theater in Des Moines last weekend, Rob Sheesley didn't harbor anti-Bush feelings. Two hours later, he left with conflicted emotions.


``You want to respect the president,'' Sheesley said. ``It raised a lot of questions.''


Bush's leadership in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks had impressed retired teacher Lavone Mann, another Des Moines moviegoer. After watching the film, Mann wanted to know more about its claims.


``I guess that I think it makes me want to pursue how much of it is accurate and not just get carried away with one film,'' she said. ``I don't hear Bush and (Vice President Dick) Cheney saying that this is incorrect.''


Retired college professor Dennis O'Brien, a Bush voter in 2000 and a movie buff who has seen other Moore films, said ``Fahrenheit 9/11'' hasn't changed his view of Bush but may well serve a larger purpose by sparking debate.


``Moore forces you to think about the role of oil in the politics of American life,'' O'Brien said. ``This goes back a long way.''


In GOP-strong Columbia, S.C., watching the movie last week at the Columbiana Grande tipped 26-year-old David Wood's support more to the left.


``I don't consider myself a Republican or a Democrat. I just vote for whoever is right for the job,'' the University of South Carolina student said. ``I think most people don't bother to really research, and all they need is something popular to sway them.''


Others at the screening in Columbia were put off by what they saw as the film's biased approach to examining Bush and the reasons he took the country to war. For Scott Campbell, 19, the movie reinforced his apathy toward politics.


``We didn't even stay to see the whole thing,'' Campbell said. ``It was one-sided.''


Former Iowa Republican Chairman Michael Mahaffey said the movie's impact could be dulled over time. ``It's July,'' he said. ``Conventional wisdom will change completely every four or five weeks.''


Still, ``Fahrenheit 9/11'' is likely to gain an even wider audience when it's released on home video in the weeks before Election Day. The Gallup survey found that nearly half of the Republicans and independents who expect to see the film said they were likely to view it on video.


``In all honesty, in a very close election, who knows what will sway the public?'' Mahaffey said.
 

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kozar...you`re a decent guy....but,c`mon...we`ve had numerous threads on this site listing the untruths...the exagerations....the interviews and footage that were deliberately bereft of any context....

you buy it..fine...others don`t....many see this guy as rush limbaugh left...he`s not a documentarian...a reporter...

he`s a propagandist...a shill...

and i`m not going to re-post what myself and many others have already posted....

if you really need it outlined for you....check back for some of the earlier threads....

and btw....probably 80 to 90% of the people walking out after seeing moore`s film are more than likely sympathetic with his bush hatred obsession....so encouraging remarks are probably going to be plentiful....most who dislike moore,refuse to line his pockets by patronizng his movie...this isn`t rocket science...

i will admit this....the dems are consistently out manuvering the republicans on the public relations front....

from the selection and direction of the 9/11 report.....to the hollywood elite(who obviously don`t have a clue what hard working 9-5 americans think or feel),to items like sandy berger stealing and destroying documents from the national archives.....i suspect berger will get a pass because the national media is,in large part, extremely left wing and have basicallly buried this story or are spinning it in regards to the timing of the release of the info..no one seems to ask "WHY" he did it..."why" he destroyed documents...when he obviously knew it was wrong....maybe even illegal...

..
not a shot at you...but,i`m sure you didn`t expect this article to go without a response...

that`s all i`m doing....

g.l.
 
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Well, obviously he's biased, and some of the stuff he says is way out there. I've tried to keep my thoughts about him as narrowly focused on the movie as possible. As far as 'untruths' go, I don't think there have been a lot of threads, or many posts specifying exactly what from the film is a lie.

I can buy, and agree, that things like showing kids playing in Iraq right before footage of bombs raining down is manipulative. But it seems that a lot of people that haven't seen the movie think that it is full of conspiracy theories, telling people what to think, telling people what to believe. That's false. He lays out a string of facts and lets the viewer decide.

For instance, he lays out a whole string of possibly suspicious connections that the Bushes have had with Saudi oil for decades. That's factual. It's up to each individual to decide if it means anything. There's a sequence where he follows around Marine recruiters focusing on poor black kids at the mall. If you read my 'review' a few weeks ago, you would know that I thought that whole Flint, MI sequence was extraneous and somewhat off-point.

I also pointed out other things that I thought were cheap, irrelevant etc....

But there is also some substance there, and I think that you would agree if you took the time to see the movie. Otherwise, you're kind of shooting in the dark, relying on Moores nuttier quotes in the press on whatever subject, his rant at the Emmys(?), his books, etc. I realize that it's hard to seperate all that stuff, but I don't think it's possible to think critically, or comment intelligently about the movie itself unless you *can* seperate it.
 

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You forgot one...

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'Pants on fire' Bush effigy tours the U.S.
Last Updated Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:05:49 EDT
SPOKANE, WASH. - The founder of an American ice-cream chain known for its liberal politics is sending a huge effigy of George W. Bush on a trailer around the United States, showing the U.S. president with his pants on fire.


INDEPTH: US Election 2004


Ben Cohen demonstrates the set up on an effigy of President Bush. (AP photo)
Ben Cohen, who co-founded Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream, told a Seattle newspaper that he's exercising his right to freedom of speech to expose what he sees as Bush's untruths during a presidential election year.

"In a polite society, you don't go up to a person and look at them in the face and say, 'You're a liar.' We think it's a lot more dignified and there's a lot more decorum to say, 'Excuse me sir, your pants are getting a little warm, don't you think?'"

Cohen calls his stunt the "Pants on Fire Tour," playing off the childhood taunt "Liar, liar, pants on fire."

Volunteer drivers are trained to pull the trailer holding the 3.7-metre effigy of Bush, which includes fake flames and smoke shooting out of the character's pants and a screen on the front which scrolls through a number of Bush's disputed statements.

The effigy is wearing a flight suit with the words "Mission Accomplished" on the back, referring to his declaration on May 1, 2003, that major hostilities had ended in the Iraq occupation. Since that time, more than 700 American military personnel have died in Iraq.

A White House spokesman would not comment on the effigy, other than to say that Bush supports free speech and believes most Americans support his policies.

Written by CBC News Online staff
 

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Back when I was a leftist I used to parrot Flavor Flav of Public Enemy, "F*ck Hollywood, Man!" for being pro-war, anti-woman, thought-controlling, dissension-crushers. Now that I'm a right-wing nut-job I despise Hollywood's bleating sheeple, knee-jerk liberalism.

"According to actor Mark Vafiades, president of the Hollywood Congress of Republicans (hollywoodrepublicans.com), Hollywood Republicans do suffer discrimination, sometimes losing work for their political views. "We hear the stories all the time," he says, noting that while it's hard to prove, it's kind of obvious when actors get cut from auditions right after the subject of politics is brought up.

Hollywood culture, for all of its intended creativity, does tend to resemble a massive flock. Ask any producer what he craves in a script, and he's begging and pleading for something that hasn't been done before. In this culture, wearing a John Kerry button becomes as important as scoring that Hermes Birkin bag, and praising the creative genius of Michael Moore is mandatory. Show-biz types who lift the Democratic banner and think Che is cool delight in seeing themselves as revolutionary and antiestablishment, when they're really playing into the Hollywood establishment and its herd mentality.

So a Republican in Hollywood is a true nonconformist. That's hot."
 

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Open Letter to Bill Timmins, President Aladdin Casino and Hotel

Bill Timmins
President
Aladdin Casino and Hotel
Las Vegas, NV

July 20, 2004

Dear Mr. Timmins:

I understand from the news reports I've read that, after Linda Ronstadt, one of America's greatest singers, dedicated a song to me from your stage on Saturday night, you instructed your security guards to remove her from the Aladdin, which they did.

What country do you live in? Last time I checked, Las Vegas is still in the United States. And in the United States, we have something called "The First Amendment." This constitutional right gives everyone here the right to say whatever they want to say. All Americans hold this right as sacred. Many of our young people put on a uniform and risk their lives to defend it. My film is all about asking the questions that should have been asked before those brave soldiers were sent into harms way.

For you to throw Linda Ronstadt off the premises because she dared to say a few words in support of me and my film, is simply stupid and Un-American. Frankly, I have never heard of such a thing happening. I read that you wouldn't even let her go back up to her room at your hotel! Are you crazy? For crying out loud, it was a song DEDICATION! To "Desperado!" Every American loves that song! Sure, some people didn't like the dedication, and that's their right. But neither they nor you have the right to remove her from your building when all she did was exercise her AMERICAN right to speak her mind.

Of all the things that go on in Las Vegas, this is what creates the need for serious action? What about the other half of the crowd at the Aladdin who, according to the Las Vegas Sun, cheered her when she made her remarks? Did you throw them out, too?

I think you owe Ms. Ronstadt an apology. And I have an idea how you can make it up to her -- and to the millions of Americans you have offended. Invite her back and I'll join her in singing "America the Beautiful" on your stage. Then I will show "Fahrenheit 9/11" free of charge to all your guests and anyone else in Las Vegas who wants to see it.

Mr. Timmins, as the song "Desperado" says -- "Come to your senses!" How can you refuse this offer? I await your reply.

Yours,
Michael Moore
Director, "Fahrenheit 9/11"
 

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After seeing it I found 2 or 3 things out of line. And maybe dead wrong. If I remember right Moore does not say there dead right.
But small things stick with you. Bush having 44 days vacation in first 9 months as president seems a little much. Maybe he should have been working a little harder and paying more attention to the reports about possiable terror attacks. Even CIA director never had one meeting with president to give him update on these type subjects for over 40 days. These were some of the crucial 40 days before 9/11. No one was paying attention. Sitting for 8/9 minutes and not taking action when told the second tower had been hit. Cheney took over as he sat there in that class room doing nothing. This is documented for all you that will say this is not true. That is scary.
 

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Is it 44 days of true vacation (no contact,briefings, updates etc) or 44 days in Crawford? Ever think he could get MORE work done @ home than in the Oval office? I don't know about you but I get a helluva lot more work done out of my home office than I ever did working in a traditional setting. The only way I consider it a vacation is because it is a vacation from all of the BS that occurs in an office. Another thing y'all seem to forget is that a large percentage of the high level govt. officals are Clinton appointees that Bush left in place, but I know, it's all a vast right-wing conspiracy :rolleyes:
 
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