I hope the Browns let winslow......

[ctownguy]

sit all season on his arrogant over rated :moon:

What a f**** idiot, offered the highest salary of any tight end in NFL history and he hasn't even played a fu***** down in the NFL yet and HE TURNS IT DOWN :cursin: :chairshot :nutkick :bigun:

 

[Nole]

Words can not describe what a POS this guy is! I hope he slips in the shower and has a career(what career) ending injury.

U of Miami fans can't even back him up on this one. Not one has come to his defense.

I hope the guy who is going to play over him has a great year.

nole

 

[AR182]

this hold out is something that davis cannot afford.

after many questionable moves, i don't understand why the cleve. owners gave davis full control of the whole organization.

maybe cleve. should have taken a safer pick since winslow had a questionable reputation at miami.

davis had to know that this draft pick would be a problem.

 

[neverteaseit]

Not only a mere shadow of his father in attitude and what a shame that is. But looks like he will be one on the field also, this guy is so overrated it isn't even funny. If i was the browns I would make the SOB sit for the entire year without a contract. As a matter of fact I would make him sit till the teams rights ran out on him. Thats why nowaday's I truly believe that a persons attitude in the draft has just as much importance as his talent.

 

[gman2]

there was no way winslow was going to sign the browns first offer.

quite frankly, why would he?

the browns put a good but not great offer on the table.

theyre offering the same money as the redskins paid to sean taylor one pick before him.

but the browns traded a 2nd round pick to the lions just to move up ONE SPOT to take him. that gives the postons the leverage right there because its pretty clear the browns think he is worth a lot of money.

contracts are outrageous and nobody is worth what they get, but it will be worth the wait for browns fans when winslow signs because that kid is the real deal. its sick how good he is. overrated? no way. probably gonna gonna be one of the top 2 or 3 nfl tight ends within the next 2 or 3 years. still wish he could get in camp though.

 

[neverteaseit]

Ok gman keep thinkg that we will see in a few years where he is at. Big mouth can get you leveled in the NFL. And he's got one of the biggest. I still say he is overrated. And not worth what they are willing to give. I suppose he wants eli manning money now. If the browns are dumb enough to do it then do it. Good luck bringing up the doormat in the central for years to come though.

 

[Master Capper]

Since Davis took overthe Browns they have never has a #1 in camp on time! No way Winslow should be paid more that Gonzalez since he has yet to prove jack!

 

[gman2]

neverteaseit- i am more than willing to listen to reasons WHY he is overrated.

why is he the real deal in my estimation?

1) incredible hands. have never seen him drop routine passes. his catch on 4th and long vs. west virginia was a quintessential example

2) great athlete. only nfl tight end with better pure athleticism is tony gonzalez

3) big time player. doesnt disappear when it counts. always played well vs. florida state, absolutely DOMINTED against ohio state in the fiesta bowl

the only drawback to winslow?

hes an as.shole. i think thats why you and so many people are rooting against him because nobody likes to see arrogant guys succeed. hard to argue that he isnt the real deal though. like everyone else, i would like to see him be a humble guy. but fact is, he is going to be a perennial pro bowler despite his arrogance

 

[neverteaseit]

I dont disagree he has the talent but that means nothing nowadays and I think his attitude will get the best of him in the end. And as far as his contract goes he is being offered the same amount as the #5 pick so wheres the problem. And I am willing to bet my bottom dollar that it is not only the money that is the problem it is also his jersey number.It comes back to ME,ME,ME,ME. Pro bowler remains to be seen also. There are several very good tight ends in the AFC. So he will really have to produce to even accomplish that. I just don't see it.

 

[gman2]

tease:

imo, only tight ends better than him before he has played a down in the nfl:

gonzalez, shockey, and heap. thats it. and two or three years from now, i cant see how he wont be the 2nd best tight end.

the guy is an as.shole plain and simple. he reminds me of a young barry bonds who grew up around the game with daddy and has a distorted view of reality and just comes across as plain selfish. theres no doubt about that.

unfortunately (and perhaps unfairly) talent often trumps character issues in todays pro sports.

and its hard to think that he is going to be anything but a stud tight end, despite his me-first attitude.

to respond to the #5 pick part, do i think its fair? yeah, its a good offer. but the browns gave up a lot to get him and theres no doubt that is hurting them in negotiations. my guess is that he will be in camp within 10 days at a contract somewhere between taylor and eli manning

 

[gman2]

tease:

also, its not that i am just handing him the crown of top 5 tight end before he plays a down because i want to. its kind of by default. theres just not many good tight ends in the nfl today outside of about 5, so when a guy as talented as winslow comes along who has a chance to be every bit as good as gonzalez, unfortunately, he holds some negotiating power. it sucks because he could at least be humble about his talent, which hes not. but he really is that good and the browns are going to have to overpay. in the long run, it will be worth it but like you said, it would be nice to see him prove it first. but thats not how it works anymore. but he is about as cant miss as cant miss gets. whether its because of his own talent, or the lack of TE talent in the nfl, or maybe a little of both.

 

[neverteaseit]

Well in the AFC You have Gonzo, Heap, Pollard. Yes Pollard, he would put up huge numbers if it wasn't for harrison and james. There is one more I am forgetting but I don't think he will be pro bowling this year and maybe not next. But we shall see. It will also matter how much of a focus he truly is in the offense.

 

[neverteaseit]

GMAN I will be keeping an eye on him this year and we shall see what the results are. I just have a feeling though that the browns will pay dearly for this in the end. We will see what happens.

 

[gman2]

tease:

my final points- here are the main problems with winslow:

1) his agents are known to be very difficult to work with
2) winslow is borderline arrogant and, when combined with his agents, makes him even more so

3) (and most importantly) theres just not enough GOOD tight ends in the league nowawadays.

so when a tight end who IS really good comes along, its hard to really use past tight end contracts as a guide for his own. the whole "declining the largest contract in nfl history for a tight end" stuff is just media garbage because, while it makes him look selfish, the contract isnt exactly groundbreaking.

all the contract offered is the same as the #5 pick in this draft (taylor). so the biggest TE contract in history is on the same level as a #5 pick.

it would be different if it were the biggest contract for a RB or QB in nfl history. but the league just doesnt have enough good TEs anymore.

the browns are going to pay dearly, youre right about that. i just think it will end up being worth it in the end.

 

[kneifl]

he should sit out all season for being a greedy POS SOB. We'll see how he likes that.

kneifl

 

[ELVIS]

wtf, f' this guy completely. i prayed before the draft that this guy would not be picked by oakland.
i do not care how good he thinks he is. overrated ?
definetely.

1) he has done nothing in the nfl to date.
2) he is a proven distraction - whines,complains, typical me first player of today
3)you do not deserve top te $$ when you are not the best te
4)shannon sharpe is a better te and he is not even playing this year

gman2, he may be your guy, and he may be the best 2 yrs. from now. i can not stand the way be carries himself on the field or in interviews. if he is on your team than you love him, i guess.

i will say this though, i have had enough of cwood's attitude in oak as well. i wish we could trade his overrated a$$.

these prima donnas are dangerously close to not being worth the trouble. do their contributions on the various downs they play outweigh the time they are following : taking downs off, not showing for practice, complaining to the media, being a dissenter in the locker room, and every time they put themselves way above the good of the team.

gman2, if he is this bad now - how will he be 5-7 yrs from now ? will he be demanding peyton manning $$ ..............

 

[Mjolnir]

ever heard of Tony Mandarich or Brian Bosworth?

 

[Hoops]

I would have kept the seconnd round pick and taken Troupe in round two. I think Troupe has a chance to be a topflight TE. Would have saved the Browns the headache of having to deal with Winslow and they could have addressed another area of need with their first round pick.

As good as Winslow might be, TE is not an impact position. I wouldn't draft a TE that high in the draft, nor offer one such a huge contract.

 

[bjfinste]

I would have kept the seconnd round pick and taken Troupe in round two. I think Troupe has a chance to be a topflight TE. Would have saved the Browns the headache of having to deal with Winslow and they could have addressed another area of need with their first round pick.

As good as Winslow might be, TE is not an impact position. I wouldn't draft a TE that high in the draft, nor offer one such a huge contract.

Agree 100 percent. Perhaps Troupe won't be quite as good as Winslow, but he won't be a big dropoff, either. Taking him not only would've solved the problems of the attitude of the "F*cking Sol-Ja", but it would've saved a lot of money at the position, and, as Hoops said, allowed them to address another of their considerable needs at other positions in the first round.

Winslow may very well turn out to be the real deal. But the risk, especially considering the money involved, just wasn't worth it in my opinion when they could've gotten a VERY solid player in Troupe a round later.

 

[IX_Bender]

He's a ****ing soldier