Swimming From Cambodia

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Swimming >From Cambodia
The American Spectator | 8/16/04 | Thomas Lipscomb


NEW YORK -- John Kerry is desperately trying to slide safely away from the collapse of his "Christmas in Cambodia" fairy tale. Two embarrassing "failures of memory" now permanently scar Senator Kerry's campaign to gain trust and demonstrate strength as he tries to move from war hero to war president.

In March, reliable witnesses came forward who placed John Kerry at a November 1971 Kansas City meeting where the Vietnam Veterans Against the War secretly voted on a proposal to kill six pro-war senators. This appeared especially odd because Kerry had told two historians, Gerald Nicosia and Douglas Brinkley, that he was not there and that he had resigned from the organization before the meeting was held. He denied eyewitnesses' accounts as well, even when six witnesses had appeared, several of whom were working for his presidential campaign.

As the story developed, and was widely ignored by the major media, several things emerged that reflected favorably on Kerry's conduct at the meeting. He had argued strongly against the assassinations and prevailed in the final vote. But Kerry still denied the accounts. He stuck to the resignation story as well, even though there was clear evidence in the New York Times and other papers that Kerry had continued as a spokesman for the VVAW, making media and speaking appearances for a year and a half after his supposed resignation.

When FBI files emerged establishing Kerry's presence in Kansas City, the campaign conceded that Kerry somehow must have forgotten his involvement in the plot to assassinate U.S. senators while still on the executive committee of the VVAW. What might have been an unforgettable experience for a man who was now a Senator himself turned out to be just one of those little memory lapses we all have.

And now the new book by Kerry's fellow Swiftboat veterans, Unfit for Command, has inspired another "failure of memory." Kerry has maintained for years that he was forced to go on a secret mission to plant a CIA agent in Cambodia during Christmas 1968 under President Richard Nixon.

He mentioned it in the Boston Herald in October 1979, saying he had been in Cambodia "on more than one occasion." He referred to it at length on the floor of the U.S. Senate in 1986 and said, "I have that memory which is seared-seared into me. ." And in a touching sidelight to a Washington Post profile as recent as June 2003, Kerry revealed that his briefcase has a secret compartment that held a "frayed" souvenir he actually showed reporter Laura Blumenfeld. "My good luck hat, given to me by a CIA guy as we went in for a special mission in Cambodia."

It did seem odd that Douglas Brinkley's best-seller Tour of Duty, which came out a few months after the Post profile, placed Kerry in Sa Dec, inside Vietnam about 50 miles from the Cambodian border. And now with the publication of Unfit for Command, so do three of Kerry's Swiftboat crewmen at the time.

As the Cambodian fantasy began to look ridiculous, the "explanations" got positively surreal. Kerry apologist Jeh Johnson was sent to appear on Fox to explain. It seems that Kerry has had another memory failure, "a mistaken recollection," and Johnson spoke of a retraction of the Cambodia story. ""I believe he has corrected the record to say it was some place near Cambodia he is not certain whether it was in Cambodia but he is certain there was some point subsequent to that that he was in Cambodia." Got that?

John Hurley, head of the Veterans for Kerry campaign operation, had a totally different explanation on Tony Snow's radio program. Perhaps Kerry was not in Cambodia that Christmas after all, just close by. Perhaps he was confused about the date and unsure exactly where he was. "I don't know how anyone can say if they were in or near Cambodia." And Christmas is so easy to mistake for any other day of the year. Perhaps he had not been "under fire" there by South Vietnamese, Viet Cong, or the Khmer Rouge. It was so long ago. How is one to remember everything? We shouldn't be "shocked, shocked" in spite Kerry's Senate-floor assertion that his memory was "seared-seared." And how about that "lucky hat" in the secret compartment in the briefcase?

IT IS NOW CLEAR THAT Kerry spent many years trying to build his record. His political ambitions were obvious even as a Yale student. One former classmate relates a story about how a group of his fellow students had decided while they would support him as far as senator, but they had doubts about his making a good president. Like the young Jimmy Gatz "he always had some resolves." And like the Jay Gatsby young Jimmy grew into, Kerry's life is all about his ambitions and the green light at the end of the White House dock that has been drawing him to his destiny for 40 years.

Somewhere there are those hidden journals whose contents have been selectively shared with Douglas Brinkley. And as Brinkley puts it: "Kerry saves everything." To the amazement of supporters and opponents alike John Kerry elected to make his four-month service in Swiftboats 35 years ago the centerpiece of his acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention. One can understand why. He thought he had that period of his life boxed and ready for presentation.

Selective memory is everyone's' secret enemy. Kerry hadn't been challenged in his selective recall since he left Vietnam, and his stories kept getting better and better. No wonder Kerry told the Washington Post interviewer, "I wish they had a delete button on LexisNexis."

But what is now clear is that Kerry has gone a step farther. Kerry lies. He not only lies to the Senate, the press and historians, he lies to his own press people, and he lies to himself. And he has been lying for years. And whenever one of Kerry's lies is under attack, he attacks every one else -- as liars.

And there is a pattern to his responses as well. When the lie becomes undeniable, the sources are attacked. In the case of the VVAW plot, John Hurley, head of Veterans for Kerry and a former VVAW member himself, pressured eyewitnesses, like totally disabled vet John Musgrave, to change their story. In the case of the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth, there has been a direct attack by lawyers for the campaign trying to silence their advertising as containing "outrageous lies." And yet no specific lie is ever charged. Nor does Kerry ever take the chance of actually bringing charges against his accusers for libel which would open the issue to a courtroom trial of the truth.

When the lie becomes unsustainable, it is attributed to a memory failure. Kerry never appears. He never tries to make an explanation. He takes no responsibility. He even hides from the press as he has for the past several days.

With rueful admiration, former Senator and Navy Seal Bob Kerrey called the last Democratic president, Bill Clinton, "an exceptionally good liar." Unfortunately Senator John Kerry is an exceptionally bad liar. How many lies he has told and how serious they are remains a question that is now under examination. Perhaps no one really cares. These days historians, journalists and the public alike appear to value sheer celebrity more than any standard of truth.

Today's journalists have so little experience with the military they haven't a clue how to evaluate the charges brought by the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth about Kerry's quest for medals. They can't tell the difference between a bronze star and a Boy Scout merit badge, and can't be bothered to learn. What does the press care about cowardice, deceitful conduct, and lying about a mere war record? At least Kerry has one and there is no arguing with that. But it will be very hard for Kerry to swim out of the Cambodian fiasco without getting all wet. For here Kerry was lying directly to the press itself and they know it.

NOW DOUGLAS BRINKLEY HAS taken on the thankless task of trying to explain the florid Cambodian Christmas fairytale Kerry has been flogging for 30 years to the press, in speeches, and in his own campaign publications and Internet site. In a speech on the floor of the Senate Kerry called it one of the defining moments of his life. Now it is time to redefine it to save Kerry's political life, before the embarrassed silence of the media gives way to a real desire to find out what else Kerry has lied about. And it's not going to be easy. Look at the challenge Brinkley has set for himself in his statement to the London Telegraph last week:

"Kerry went into Cambodian waters three or four times in January and February 1969 on clandestine missions. He had a run dropping off US Navy Seals, Green Berets and CIA guys."

That is really raising the ante. All Kerry had said until now was that he had been in Cambodia on "more than one occasion." It won't be easy to find "three or four" occasions in that time period. Remember Kerry crewmember Steve Gardner was with Kerry for almost all of January, and Gardner has already said he never went into "Cambodian waters."

These missions took place under the direction of Kerry's superior officers who had to detach Swiftboats from other duties to handle these insertions. And there were indeed missions like this. Swiftvet leader Admiral Roy Hoffmann is perfectly well aware of them. How likely are any of Kerry's commanders to support his latest insertion assertion?
 

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Kerry was stuck down on an isolated base at An Thoi on Dao Phu Quoc Island off the coast of Cambodia during February 1969. He certainly wasn't going on these missions on his own without his superior officers being aware of them. Who else was going to pick Kerry out of the other Swiftboat commanders for the assignment? And "three or four times" is pretty conspicuous in a month with only 29 days.

Kerry has stated, "I took my patrol boat into Cambodia." He recalled it was his Swiftboat, which most likely would have been PCF94, with full naval markings. And that means he had his crew on board. He couldn't operate the Swiftboat on his own. Which of his crew will back Kerry up with memories of "three or four" trips into Cambodia the way they did on stage at the Democratic Convention? Or is there an ancient CIA man out there eager to try on his hat in a photo op with Senator Kerry?

Perhaps there is a pumpkin in a patch somewhere hiding microfilms of secret Kerry papers explaining all this written on his old Underwood typewriter. But after so many "memory failures" based on selections from Kerry's journals, they are unlikely to be taken at face value at this point. Whatever Brinkley comes up with, the payoff on this story is likely to be at least as fascinating as Nixon's secretary Rose Mary Woods' explanation of how she accidentally erased the 18 and a half minutes of a crucial Watergate tape. I can't wait.

Thomas Lipscomb broke the news story on Kerry's involvement with the senatorial assassination plot. He served as chairman of the New York Vietnam Veterans' Leadership Program, which worked to assist the employment of minority area veterans.
 

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Not saying this happened because I wasn't there, but if it did involve CIA operatives, would there be a record of the mission? Or would that be top secret? Maybe the repubs took a shot and thought the same way I did. CIA = top secret, we can call John a liar and there will be no way for him to prove otherwise.

On a funnier note I'd like to see how W's memory of Christmas was 30 years ago. Rumor has it he got drunk and naled a coed from behind, but Neil Bush says he caught him banging the Christmas goose.
 

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Yeah- Lets talk about 35 years ago and change the subjecy to Wubya. And this from someone named Clem who 'hides' behind the keyboard.

And questions keep coming. For example, Kerry received a Purple Heart for wounds suffered on December 2nd, 1968. But an entry in Kerry's own journal written nine days later, he writes that, quote," he and his crew hadn't been shot at yet," unquote. Kerry's campaign has said it is possible his first Purple Heart was awarded for an unintentionally self-inflicted wound.
Score another one for the Swiftvets, and another retreat for Kerry, this time on a key contention for both a medal (which some, including me, felt were too difficult to argue effectively) and for his truncated tour of duty. Without that first Purple Heart, Kerry would have had to stay on the Swiftboat assignment past March 17th and remain in combat. Now that the Kerry campaign seems to have retreated from Kerry's citation, the fact that Kerry pushed this award weeks later up a different chain of command takes on a great deal more significance. Instead of bravely taking on combat, he now looks desperate to get out ahead of everyone else and willing to falsify records to do it -- which is exactly the impression that his later assertions have given us.
And what about Kerry being a 'War Crminal' by his own admission?

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_237190538.html
 

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Clem Kerry's own camp has admitted he was NOT in cambodia on Christmas even though it was "seared" in his mind---but nothing new he was speaking before NCAPP and telling them about his thoughts on hearing of Kings death while he was in Nam--funny thing is King was killed 4-14-68 and Kerry didn't get to Nam till November 1968. While I don't think he will ever live up to his idol Kennedy's standards he certainly has shot at Clinton ;)
Would like to ask him a few questions myself
-- under oath.;)
 

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Hope the documentary is completed prior to November C-man

If you find out its release date let me know--might have some wagers I need to get down on.
 

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Don't let your government tell you we were not there. Not sure who and each perfect day. But we were in the area. This was and I believe is classified that most will not be released for 50 years. Thats are way of hiding things from us till those involved are no longer hurt by it. We had advisers with South troops in or just across the border already in 62. Little missions laying a few popers. Was Kerrys boat near that border 6 years later. Could have been. Others were in the same area. Keep in mind we were concerned about what was gong on inside that country.
 

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I highly doubt you went to the link provided, but it was a Swift boat veteran John O'neill caught in lies about Cambodia.
 

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all this about Kerry in Cambodia or not and his records, has Bush provided his records, I mean the ones without all the black outs? Alabama National guard officers are on record with saying Bush peoples came in and sanitized his records.

Anyway what's more relevant Kerry bs about Cambodia, or Bush lying his ass off during State of the union saying Saddam was purchasing plutonium from African nations.

Dtb, you take shots at JFK service also? How about his brother Joe, did he server honorably enough??
 
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DJV Never said we weren't in Cambodia before we were officially in there. I can tell you first hand the 1st cav was set up on the border and for period of time before it was official we had no mail coming in and no mail going out. It was huge benefit to US troops as we caught Charle with his pants down--thinking he was safe and kicking back across the border.
Two huge stockpiles of weapons were taken one nick named the city which had swimming pools underground hospital ect and one called Rock Island East which I can give you 1st hand knowledge on as we were the 1st in there.Took me a while to find it but here is a little history on it you might enjoy.Entire Article
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/Vietnam/Airmobility/airmobility-ch11.html

The 1st Cavalry Division operation in Cambodia far exceeded all expectations and proved to be one of the most successful operations in the history of the First Team. All aspects of ground and air combat were utilized-air cavalry, armor, infantry, and mechanized infantry. The U.S. Air Force reconnaissance, tactical air, and B-52's performed yeoman duty throughout the campaign

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there. This team effort, spearheaded by the airmobile flexibility inherent in the 1st Cavalry, carried the war to the enemy and defeated him in his own backyard.

Major General George W. Casey had taken command of the 1st Cavalry on 12 May from General Roberts. General Roberts, who had been scheduled to turn over command of the division on 3 May, had been extended until 12 May in order to plan, organize, and command the initial phases of the Cambodian operation. On 6 July 1970, he wrote 'a letter to his troops summing up the 1st Cavalry's part in the Cambodian Campaign. Excerpts from the letter are as follows:

. . . The results are impressive. You killed enough of the enemy to man three NVA Regiments; captured or destroyed enough individual and crew-served weapons to equip two NVA Divisions; and denied the enemy an entire year's supply of rice for all of his maneuver battalions in our AO. You captured more rocket, mortar, and recoilless rifle rounds than the enemy fired in all of III Corps during the twelve months preceding our move into Cambodia. And, perhaps most important, by working together in an airmobile team, you disrupted the' enemy's entire supply system, making chaos of his base areas and killing or driving off his rear service personnel.

Only time will tell how long it will take the NVA to recover, but of this you can be sure?you have set the enemy back sufficiently to permit President Nixon's redeployment plan to proceed with safety while assuring that our Vietnamese Allies maintain their freedom. This is your achievement. This is yet another demonstration that you of the 1st Cavalry Division deserve?and have earned again?the accolade of the FIRST TEAM. It is my honor to have served alongside you during this crucial and historic period.

The following day on the morning of 7 July, General Casey was enroute to Cam Ranh Bay to visit wounded Sky Troopers in the hospital. Flying over the rugged mountains of the Central Highlands, General Casey's helicopter entered a thick cloudbank and disappeared from sight. In the late afternoon of 9 July, the wreckage of the General's helicopter was found. General Casey and all the officers and men aboard had been killed instantly in the crash. George had served with me as my Chief of Staff during 1967. Prior to that he commanded the 2d Brigade under General Norton. His death was a great personal loss to me and everyone who had served with him. Major General George Putnam, whose 1st Aviation Brigade had been doing a fantastic job in supporting Army of the Republic of Vietnam operations in the Parrot's Beak to the south, was ordered to take command of the 1st Cavalry Division.
 
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Dogs first of all I respect your service over there. I was a piece time navy guy. anyway my above post in this thread, as to Kerry transporting cia operatives, don't you think that is possible? Now you have Kerry saying he was in Cambodia and you have Oneill on ytape sayinfg he was in Cambodia. Could it not have been classified?
 

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That possibilty would exist Clem especially in light of some of the special forces and other operatives that the swfitboats trasported but in my research his own crew will not confirm and also they had his boat logged in totally diff vacinty--however under your theory which can not be discounted completely they would cook the books to make them appear they were not there to my thinking.
So I give you that possibilty however remote.

On a side note I read that Swiftboats also transported ROK(koreans) teams. These were some bad lads with no fear.Saw them operate one time when they were brought in to go through huge bunker complex. They would fight each other to see who went down tunnels 1st.
That may have been where Kerry got the cut off ear thing--because it was status symbol to them on who had most ears strung on necklace. These were the most tenecious fighters I ever witnessed.
 

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Funny, that liar O'Neil tells Nixon he was in Cambodia, but says in the book he wasn't? Too bad Nixon taped him or we never would have known! LOL! Then there is the other liar who also won a Bronze Star along with Kerry but now claims he was never shot at.....but that is the reason behind his purple heart! These guys are nothing but Republican liars who still carry a grudge because Kerry was man enough to step up and help stop a war that they still think was a good war to fight. All this while Bush and Cheney where cheering on the war as long as someone else was fighting it. Hypocrits, liars and cowards. Maybe Toby Keith could find a song in that!
 

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The question Clem is whether his boat went up river to border or was Sa Dec where records indicate.

While they claim they took CIA "or" special ops into that area I wish they would define "or" as Special ops usually did the work for CIA and and never seen or knew of CIA being in field but that does not mean they weren't. It would seem unlikely that if they were they would give someone a souvineer to prove it.

Another point of interest people could be or notbe in cambodia and not know it. There are no defining signs like welcome to Cambodia.I can say without a doubt there were troops in cambodia before they made it public which of course was taboo--with that being said "if" he did take special ops to cambodia it would be more than likely he would drop them off short of border and let them hoof it rest of way to their destination as not to be detected---as boat on river is easily detected and would cause backlash with our presence in restricted area.
The reason I say this is I was in recon with 5 to 6 man teams and it seems we were always dropped further north (toward cambodia) then large companys. We thought this was because they did not want troops detected--however we were never told we were in cambodia at that time but assumed that might be case because when ever we called in enemy troop movement they would usually call in artilliary-followed by gunships then troops and for short period of time they did nothing but told us to continue to observe.

the part of article

"There's a secret compartment in Kerry's briefcase. He carries the black attache everywhere. Asked about it on several occasions, Kerry brushed it aside. Finally, trapped in an interview, he exhaled and clicked open his case.

"Who told you?" he demanded as he reached inside. "My friends don't know about this."

The hat was a little mildewy. The green camouflage was fading, the seams fraying.

"My good luck hat," Kerry said, happy to see it. "Given to me by a CIA guy as we went in for a special mission in Cambodia."

This has improbabilties written all over it--would put it in same light as recreated movies.If know one knew --who told--if compartment was secret how did they know it was there--if he wanted to keep it secret--just don't tell--has "poorly"staged event written all over it.

So thats my best take.
 
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