ncaa football plays (saturday october 9th,2004).....

gman2

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final card:

(biggest bet of the ncaa season to date)
central michigan (+14) over bowling green

(strong)
georgia 2h (-7) over tennessee

(regular play)
southern cal (-7) over california

tailing these plays from other posters:
(sun tzu, blackman) kansas state (-2) over kansas
(cwood) the cuse (+19.5) over florida state
(spang) ohio u. (+9) over marshall


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right now, mid-american conference hegemony starts in northwest ohio (bgsu/toledo) and extends southeast to oxford and huntington,west virginia. this perception allows for northern illinois to get much less credit than they deserve, and it allows central michigan to go virtually unnoticed in the mac west. in the very near future, i expect that we'll be talking about the cmu footbal revival the same way we talk about urban meyer reviving the bowling green program a few years back. cmu pulled off a tremendous coup this past offseason when they pried brian kelly away from division II national power grand valley state. this guy is a flat out winner, leading grand valley to a 41-2 record the last three years and playing for three national championships before taking the cmu job. and his teams were never one-dimensional. in 2000, grand valley averaged a preposterous 58 points per game on offense. in '02 they averaged almost 50ppg and won the national title. then last year, they won the title again and in the final 3 games of the season (quarterfinal, semifinal, championship) his team allowed a combined 9 points (and just 13ppg on the year). his teams are aggressive and attacking on both sides of the ball.

what does all that mean on saturday afternoon when bg visits central michigan? very little, of course. but i offer that background on kelly only because its exciting to see a great coach get the opportunity to turn around a program that DOES have talent and a lot of upside. the cmu program is not a moribund program like buffalo or kent or emu. theyre not going to be heading into this game with the mentality of "all we've got is a slingshot and a pebble" because thats not the way this guy coaches.

so why such a big play on the chips on saturday afternoon? theres plenty of reasons:

* central michigan played bgsu very tough last season as big underdogs before losing 23-3 (trailing just 16-3 until bg pushed across a late TD with 2:00 to go)

* bowling green is in an incredibly difficult spot. theyre laying a ton of chalk and are playing their 4th road game in 5 weeks. and i love the fact that they scored 70 points last week. because all that does is increase the liklihood of the falcons thinking they can go through the motions and get a win here. its a very weird spot - you dont see too many teams playing 4 of 5 games away from home. laying chalk on the back end of it seems awfully dangerous.

* where did northern illinois dominate bowling green? in the trenches and in the running game. this is exactly where central michigan is strongest. theyve got one of the premier backs in the mac in seymour. the kid is a stud - almost 5.5 yards a carry and 135 yds a game. bowling green does not play the run well and seymour should definitely get his 100+. chips rushing attack is one step below northern illinois' statistically.

* kelly is no stranger to the spread offense that bg runs. his teams perfected it at grand valley. so these teams are going to be mirroring each other on saturday. the falcon's offensive sets wont be foreign to cmu and that in itself levels the playing field a little bit.

* bottom line is kelly is getting this program back in the right direction. its going to take time, and theres no doubt bgsu is the superior team. thats not rocket science, and the 14 pts says as much. but i think the 14 is just too much, given bg's mediocre play on the road under brandon. but chips also have some variables in their favor. they get this game in front of a homecoming crowd, they know they can play bgsu tough, and they get the falcons on the back end of what essentially is a month long road trip.

i also like how kelly is doing a little sandbagging to the media:

"we're excited about the opportunity of playing bowling green on homecoming. if bowling green doesn't play well, we'll have a chance"

thats some lou holtz shit right there. this guy is not a coach that expects to lose. he's lost 2 games the last 43 times he's come out of a locker room. theres no doubt in my mind that, even if they are a little undermanned during his first season as chips HC, they are going to be very prepared and wont be taking the field "hoping to stay close". the way this guy coaches, he will have them believing they can win the game. the chips ground game has been controlling the clock all season and done a good job of sustaining drives. bg is in for a far more difficult game than they expect. im expecting a single-digit game. i highly doubt cmu pulls the upset. but this is the kind of game that can be a springboard for an up-and-coming team like cmu. i would strongly suggest grabbing the points.


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BigSlick

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Well, hell, I guess I dont need to ask you if you think BG will come into form this week before the oddsmakers catch up to them the way Toledo did the last 2 weeks....

Best of luck ... I'm going against the school teachers (isnt that their old name? :142lmao: ) for a small sum.
 

Joe De

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whoa big boy...look who has the nads now

Hell I played on your Miami pick in NFL with a 12' teaser Sunday and keyed it with 7 plays ...well hell i hit 5 out 7.... shameful they didn't win straight up

Guess i'm looney enough to follow this play too.

good luck to ya!
 

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I like the CM play. BG scored 70 points last week, should be favored by 19'. Low lines baits for favorite money.
I imagine you have better reasons than that though. GL!
 

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Gman I followed u last time out with Toledo as I thought that they were definitely underpriced but this weeks play need a little thinking to it.

First off I do like that Cent. Michigan returns a league high 17 starters from LY team . I also think that it is a + that they played Bowling green tough LY at Bowling losing by 20 points.

But gman as a follower of the MAC Conf. you know that Cent. Michigan's defense is just plain poor. They will need a lot of help stopping this Bowling Green offense that averages about 40 points per game.

Gman i like ur USC play alot as i believe California has the tough task of playing b2b Pac. 10 conference games on the road.Also Gman that revenge factor of losing LY to Cal. has a great sound to it as well.

Gman I see the public seems to be leaning towards Cal. in this one(line down from -11 to -7) but like me and you both know the public is usually wrong.

LIKE USC ALOT NOT SURE ABOUT CENT. MICHIGAN
 

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joe de: yep, it looks like im putting the nads on the line saturday. i think this game is going to end up much closer than the 14pt spread would indicate.

lineguy: i dont think cmu's defense is all that bad. they did a pretty good job when they went on the road to bloomington and east lansing. i know those arent the elite big ten teams, but the defensive efforts vs indy and msu went that bad (it was some offensive miscues that led to points)
 

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G-Man Too, Like new coach (Kelly) too.17 Starters
back&dog 7-1ATS L8in this series. Chips 6-1ATS L7.
GL :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

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as far as usc goes, i still feel very confident they dominate this game (fight on!) but id be interested in knowing what line everyone expected for this game. id be more inclined to play usc a little heavier if they were favored by the 11 or 12 that i thought they were going to be favored by. im perplexed that the line is so low (currently -7.5). trojans havent been touched at the coliseum in over two years. theyve won one game by less than 17 points there in the L2 seasons and theyve had a week to prepare for this revenger. and we still havent seen usc at their best, which is kind of scary. if southern cal is as good as i think they are, they will win this game by 14-17 points. cal is a good team. in fact, theyre a very good team. but usc is still far and away the class of the conference for the time being and they 'should' prove that. it looks like cal is going to be usc's most competitive rival for the years to come, but i just dont see how usc doesnt rip the bears. line still is weird to me though. id put more money on -11 or -12 than i would on -7.5.
 

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Good luck to you G -- sounds like we're thinking the same way on the USC game. Honesty I expected to see a line around 12, with the chance of hitting 14 by gametime. Hopefully we'll prove to be a better handicapper than linesmaker on this one.
 

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usc line was 13 lw and 18 when it opened early in year ... Cal and tedford are dangerous and I personallly see a +14 usc win or Cal SU ... it will def. be highly emotional--LY usc was outhit and socked in jaw early and never got off heels ... as vonnegut said: nothing so sweet as revenge
 

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for the long write-up I'll throw some bucks on CMU
got it at 14.5 at sportingbetusa


USC rolls easily

GL
 

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nice write-up, I trust your knowledge of the MAC and respect this play. I'm going to coat-tail you on it! Thanks for the information, good luck!

Cheers
Irish
 

gman2

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should have known that the bowling green number would get driven off of 14 and into the 14.5/15.0 range that it currently sits at some books. then again, i think 14 is way too much so if all goes well, line should prove moot. im very tempted to grab texas at betcom.com. theyre dealing a 7.5 on that game right now -- it seems everywhere else is a rock solid 7.0. and that georgia game is still tempting me. ive got enough exposure for the early afternoon though. to those guys im 'tailing on the various games above, thanks for letting me come along for the ride. good luck boys. no other plays will be added to this thread.
 

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Gman,

I have to believe you're on the right side with CEN MICH +. Excellent analysis and very good point about HC Kelly...especially comparing his attitude with Lou Holtz. That kind of attitude and determination should not be ignored.
 
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