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Re-Appointment of Dr. David Hager To FDA Committee is Bad Medicine

Anti-Choice Ideologue Compromises FDA's Scientific Credibility

June 28, 2004

WASHINGTON, DC ? Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) today criticized the re-appointment of anti-choice hardliner Dr. David Hager to the FDA Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee.

"Dr. Hager's ideological agenda compromises the scientific integrity of the FDA," PPFA National Medical Committee Chairman and University of Wisconsin-Madison Associate Professor of Pediatrics Dr. Scott Spear said. "Americans rely on the FDA as a trusted and objective safeguard. President Bush has betrayed the public trust by installing a biased ideologue in a key scientific role. When science comes second, public health suffers."

Dr. Hager co-authored a book that recommends scriptural passages and prayers for problems like headaches and premenstrual syndrome, and he is widely known to be opposed to prescribing contraceptives for unmarried women. He also played a prominent role in the creation of a petition designed to pressure the FDA into rescinding its approval of mifepristone.

All of this was public record when President Bush appointed Dr. Hager to the FDA Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee in 2002. And his anti-choice record has only worsened since then. When a joint meeting of the FDA Reproductive Health Drugs and Nonprescription Drugs Committees voted overwhelmingly to recommend that Plan B? emergency contraception (EC) ? a safe, effective backup method of birth control ? be made available over the counter, Dr. Hager was one of the lone few who voted against the move. Extensive scientific data shows that Plan B EC meets FDA criteria for over-the-counter-status and that increased access to EC would reduce the need for abortion.

Dr. Hager's comments on the testimony presented to the FDA committees about EC reflected his misogynistic and anti-choice views: "What we heard today was frequently about individuals who did not want to take responsibility for their actions and wanted a medication to relieve those consequences." In fact, studies show that women use EC responsibly, and that they do not rely on it as a regular method of contraception.
 

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whenever i see the word "anti-choice" dropped the article is automatically discredited......

similary, if you hear the word "anti-life" dropped, the article should be discredited

that being said, he is misinformed if he doesn't believe in emergency room contraception....

as a pro-lifer, that is my solution to everyone's problem
 

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He's not only misinformed, but anybody who believes in reading Scripture to help alleviate headaches and/or PMS has no business being on any FDA committee.

Here is a 'Time' article from 2 yrs ago on the same. Anybody who refuses contraception to unmarried women just isn't who we need influencing decisions about reproductive oriented drugs. You'll probably find a reason to discredit this one also, but facts are facts and it's just another example of Bush's 'faith' affecting his decisions.

Jesus and the FDA

By KAREN TUMULTY




Saturday, Oct. 05, 2002


A quiet battle is raging over the Bush Administration's plan to appoint a scantily credentialed doctor, whose writings include a book titled As Jesus Cared for Women: Restoring Women Then and Now, to head an influential Food and Drug Administration (FDA) panel on women's health policy. Sources tell Time that the agency's choice for the advisory panel is Dr. W. David Hager, an obstetrician-gynecologist who also wrote, with his wife Linda, Stress and the Woman's Body, which puts "an emphasis on the restorative power of Jesus Christ in one's life" and recommends specific Scripture readings and prayers for such ailments as headaches and premenstrual syndrome. Though his resume describes Hager as a University of Kentucky professor, a university official says Hager's appointment is part time and voluntary and involves working with interns at Lexington's Central Baptist Hospital, not the university itself. In his private practice, two sources familiar with it say, Hager refuses to prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women. Hager did not return several calls for comment.

FDA advisory panels often have near-final say over crucial health questions. If Hager becomes chairman of the 11-member Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee, he will lead its study of hormone-replacement therapy for menopausal women, one of the biggest controversies in health care. Some conservatives are trying to use doubts about such therapy to discredit the use of birth-control pills, which contain similar compounds. The panel also made the key recommendation in 1996 that led to approval of the "abortion pill," RU-486?a decision that abortion foes are still fighting. Hager assisted the Christian Medical Association last August in a "citizens' petition" calling upon the FDA to reverse itself on RU-486, saying it has endangered the lives and health of women.

Hager was chosen for the post by FDA senior associate commissioner Linda Arey Skladany, a former drug-industry lobbyist with longstanding ties to the Bush family. Skladany rejected at least two nominees proposed by FDA staff members: Donald R. Mattison, former dean of the University of Pittsburgh School of Public Health, and Michael F. Greene, director of maternal- fetal medicine at Massachusetts General Hospital. Despite pressure from inside the FDA to make the appointment temporary, sources say, Skladany has insisted that Hager get a full four-year term. FDA spokesman Bill Pierce called Hager "well qualified."
 

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so how about someone who believes that yoga will help alleviate headaches?

do they belong on a committee?

the subject of mind/body mediine in regards to pain syndromes is a hot topic right now....so true ignorance is in being narrowminded enough to discredit this man's theory without any evidence to do so
 

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you gotta understand that the mind controls a lot over people....

for a lot of people, faith helps alleviate pain...it is proven to do so...

most think it works similar to exercise, yoga, etc. etc.....endorphins released from inside are the biological basis....

so if this guy was speaking to a religious audience, and promoted the use of faith to alleviate these problems, more power to him.....

only a close-minded, anti-religious zealot would speak otherwise
 

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Think both points are valid

Faith in anything, even mountions or the sun has shown people to do do extra ordinary feats and personally believe the mind and attitude is quite potent in healing or any feats in life--There are also religions that totally ban modern medicine and would let their children die rather than have simple surgery ,writing it off as Gods will.Extremes in any direction can be destructive.


and while on topic on seperation gov/relgion
What about Kerry campaigning in church with Jessie and Sharpton and preacher telling congregation to vote for Kerry. Wheres the ACLU on this one. :rolleyes:
 
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Being a man of faith, faith is hugh!!! But God also gave us knowledge to use to help others. I totally believe you need faith, but you can't turn your back on modern medicine and the incredible advances we have made in life to help others. Think both play the role of healer.
 

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dr. freeze said:
so how about someone who believes that yoga will help alleviate headaches?

do they belong on a committee?

the subject of mind/body mediine in regards to pain syndromes is a hot topic right now....so true ignorance is in being narrowminded enough to discredit this man's theory without any evidence to do so

I could give a flying f*ck what this man's 'theory' is. Let him read the book of Mark to his wife that has a migraine. I don't want him on any sort of committee that influences the approval or disapproval of medical solutions in this country.

It's weird, Freeze, usually you claim to be so 'science-oriented', yet you seem to have no problem with this guy on an important FDA committee who was appointed by Bush who vigorously opposed EC, doesn't give contraception to unmarried ladies and is a proponent of reading the bible in lieu of medicine.
 

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dr. freeze said:
you gotta understand that the mind controls a lot over people....

for a lot of people, faith helps alleviate pain...it is proven to do so...

most think it works similar to exercise, yoga, etc. etc.....endorphins released from inside are the biological basis....

so if this guy was speaking to a religious audience, and promoted the use of faith to alleviate these problems, more power to him.....

only a close-minded, anti-religious zealot would speak otherwise


That's fine. Let him write his book and let him pray over his daughter with a broken leg. In the meantime, please spare the rest of the country his influence in shooting down beneficial drugs because of his 'faith'.

Only a close-minded, son of a preacher man would speak otherwise.
 

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its ONE ISSUE...did you scrutinize Dr. Jocelyn Elders, one of the biggest morons ever to get close to the Surgeon General's office, much less be the Surgeon General.....in the same way?
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
and while on topic on seperation gov/relgion
What about Kerry campaigning in church with Jessie and Sharpton and preacher telling congregation to vote for Kerry. Wheres the ACLU on this one. :rolleyes:

I would hardly call that 'on the topic of separation of gov/religion'.
 

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its ONE ISSUE...did you scrutinize Dr. Jocelyn Elders, one of the biggest morons ever to get close to the Surgeon General's office, much less be the Surgeon General.....in the same way?

Didn't she get fired?

How was she a moron? Seriously, I don't remember much about her other than he 'masturabation' philosophy. Or maybe that's what you're referring to.
 

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That's fine. Let him write his book and let him pray over his daughter with a broken leg. In the meantime, please spare the rest of the country his influence in shooting down beneficial drugs because of his 'faith'.

Only a close-minded, son of a preacher man would speak otherwise.


nice, mature reply
 

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Prayer for health concerns: results of a national survey on prevalence and patterns of use.

McCaffrey AM, Eisenberg DM, Legedza AT, Davis RB, Phillips RS.

Division for Research and Education in Complementary and Integrative Medical Therapies, Osher Institute, Harvard Medical School, 401 Park Drive, Suite 22A, Boston, MA 02215, USA. Anne_McCaffrey@hms.harvard.edu

BACKGROUND: Prayer is a common practice in the United States, yet little is known about the prevalence and patterns of use of prayer for health concerns. OBJECTIVE: To determine the prevalence and patterns of use of prayer for health concerns. METHODS: We conducted a national survey in 1998 (N = 2055, 60% weighted response rate) on use of prayer. Data were also collected on sociodemographics, use of conventional medicine, and use of complementary and alternative medical therapies. Factors associated with the use of prayer were analyzed using multivariable logistic regression. RESULTS: We found that 35% of respondents used prayer for health concerns; 75% of these prayed for wellness, and 22% prayed for specific medical conditions. Of those praying for specific medical conditions, 69% found prayer very helpful. Factors independently associated with increased use of prayer (P<.05) included age older than 33 years (age 34-53 years: odds ratio [OR], 1.6 [95% confidence interval (CI), 1.3-2.1]; age > or =54 years: OR, 1.5 [95% CI, 1.1-2.0]); female sex (OR, 1.4 [95% CI, 1.1-1.7]); education beyond high school (OR, 1.5 [95% CI, 1.2-1.8]); and having depression, chronic headaches, back and/or neck pain, digestive problems, or allergies. Only 11% of respondents using prayer discussed it with their physicians. CONCLUSIONS: An estimated one third of adults used prayer for health concerns in 1998. Most respondents did not discuss prayer with their physicians. Prayer was used frequently for common medical conditions, and users reported high levels of perceived helpfulness.
 

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Freeze,

That's great. I understand and recognize all of that. I think much of it may be psychosomatic, but I suppose that it really doesn't matter when you think about it. If it works for some people, who cares why.

The point of this thread is obvious. He has no business being on any sort of influencial FDA committee. His religious beliefs have no place working in a position that influences decisions on medicine.

You agreed with this on the EC issue and I have no desire to debate whether reading the bible makes people feel better. I know it does, but it's not close to the point of this thread.
 

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I said be healed you idiots. If I can lay my hands on you your going to be OK. While I'm doing that I Will lift your wallet. Now everyone go out and screw there neighbor. We need some old fashion slave owners from the south out there banging away at those black slave girls till they almost turn them white. All in the name of Jesus.
 

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Kosar, when Benny Hinn gets nominated to this position, then will I be outraged.....

I don't think we have come that far though

I agree this man is not educated about morning after pills as are a lot of conservatives..but one unreasonable belief shouldn't discredit them from this position......

after all John Edwards channeled a fetus and he is one step away from the vice presidency....do you share similar outrage with that?
 

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dr. freeze said:
I agree this man is not educated about morning after pills as are a lot of conservatives..but one unreasonable belief shouldn't discredit them from this position......

after all John Edwards channeled a fetus and he is one step away from the vice presidency....do you share similar outrage with that?

Again, it's not the point, but i'll play.

It's not a matter of him being 'uneducated' about EC, it's about him trying to nix this pill based on his version of religion. You know this and I know this. In his view, despite his words, it actually has nothing to do with medical concerns and everything to do with religious concerns.

In other words, his religious beliefs have the potential to dictate which pills get accepted by the FDA. We all draw the line somewhere as far as abortion goes. He draws the line further right than you do. It's all somewhat subjective, but you need to admit/realize that it's his religious beliefs that are dictating his stance on this subject, not any sort of medical concern. THAT is where we need to draw the line with separation of God and state.

John Edwards and his ridiculous comments like you mentioned have absolutely nothing to do with separation of God and state. And that's the point of this thread.

So no, I guess I don't have 'outrage' because that clown tried to win a verdict, how many years ago, where he said he channeled with a fetus.
 

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would rather have a guy in there who says things he believes rather than a guy who says things in a court of law he doesn't believe
 
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